GM is shutting plants and slashing staff

a reply to: Willtell

As if oshawa wasn't a # hole when I grew up there. The whole place is pretty much reliant on that plant and now that its going to be gone...well time to make way for drugs, alchohol, crime and families broken down.

Last I heard there are places you cant walk without getting shot or stabbed. Thank God I have no intention of returning there or the # hole Toronto has become.

a reply to: soundguy

Do you have the slightest idea about the changing automotive market? Things are changing that would be changing no matter which politician sits at a desk.

If GM doesn't convince you try looking at Ford discontinuing sedans other than the Mustang (which caters to a pretty specific market) and focusing on SUVs and Crossovers.

Keep the blind political junk in the mudpit. That's why we permit that forum to exist; so the rest of the membership has somewhere to exchange ideas without tiresome stupidity.

originally posted by: Arnie123

originally posted by: soundguy
So much winning! Maga! I may be a little fuzzy, but didn’t it at least take almost 6 years for bush to wreck the economy? a reply to: Willtell

Total TDS, you don't know what you're talking about, be a boob on some other thread you clown.

Hehe you said boob....

originally posted by: toysforadults
does anyone buy GM cars anymore???

they can't compete that's their main problem

I guess not. They only sell about 2.5 MILLION vehicles a year. And that's just the US and Canada. Then there's China where they sold ANOTHER 2.6 million vehicles. Plus the rest of the world. So in your world, that means they can't compete? I have three GM vehicles myself. They have never broken, ever. The fit and finish of the two newest ones rivals anything Europe or Japan can offer. So yeah, people do buy GM vehicles. It's just that you haven't noticed.

originally posted by: Allaroundyou

originally posted by: Arnie123

originally posted by: soundguy
So much winning! Maga! I may be a little fuzzy, but didn’t it at least take almost 6 years for bush to wreck the economy? a reply to: Willtell

Total TDS, you don't know what you're talking about, be a boob on some other thread you clown.

Hehe you said boob....

🤾🤳

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Willtell

They're probably going to focus more on automation. It was bound to happen.

Automation is what will kill the world economy.

but but but OUR ECONOMY IS DOING GREAT! THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TRADE WARS OR STOCK DROPS AT ALL!

...... Now that we've cleared that all up, they should've done this a while ago; have you seen the "Vehicle graveyards" where they send THOUSANDS of vehicles to literally sit and rot (due to being unsold)? Total waste of money, time, and materials.

As far as the "Zero crashes, Zero Emissions, Zero Congestion" BS goes............. No; but that's another conversation for another time.

a reply to: Bluntone22

Yeah they said the steel tariffs cost them a billion. Wasn't labor costs.

a reply to: schuyler

I worked for GM as a service adviser for years. Sadly they make junk! And they HAVE MADE JUNK FOR DECADES. I would bet that ALL of your vehicles have broken down and have at least been in for recalls at least once. Foreign automakers stole the American market due to American automakers putting out junk for decades. I know people that have 30-40 year old Honda's and Toyotas. Lexus's with over a million miles on them. America can blame the laziness of Americans for this problem.

a reply to: Djarums

golfclap;golfclap;golfclap

a reply to: dothedew

as someone who follows these issues closely I can tell you that this one isn't related to the economy it's more about GMs inability to compete with foreign manufacturers and my age group isn't interested in their cars

a reply to: Stevenjames15

it's got nothing to do with labor cost some of these people want everyone but themselves to be working poor

a reply to: schuyler

oh cool beans

sedan sales sink

DETROIT/WASHINGTON (Reuters) - General Motors Co (GM.N) said on Monday it will cut production of slow-selling models and slash its North American workforce in the face of a declining market for traditional gas-powered sedans, shifting more investment to electric and autonomous vehicles.

but, i'll take your anecdotal evidence for what it's worth (not much)

originally posted by: toysforadults
does anyone buy GM cars anymore???

they can't compete that's their main problem

GM really killed their brand equity in regards to sedans. They seem to do ok with trucks, but does anyone under 55 buy GM sedans brand new? GM sells a ton of crappy fleet vehicles too which really hurts brand perception.

Cadillac is making a nice product (had a rental XT4 over Thanksgiving) and it was quite nice to be honest. Definitely on par with Euro competitors imho. The problem is the Cadillac name is mud compared to euro lux cars. It simply does not really have the cache anymore.

Younger folks don't care about Corvettes. The mid engine corvette is to remedy that hopefully.

a reply to: Edumakated

why buy a Caddy when I can get a Lexus???

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: Edumakated

why buy a Caddy when I can get a Lexus???

Exactly. Even if the product is similar, the brand name isn't. The reality is people care about image and brand when it comes to luxury cars. Cadillac destroyed their image over the past 35 years.

American car companies really did themselves in with poor product decisions. Ford and Chrysler too...

They all had crappy fisher price interiors. Bloated sizes. Nothing remotely cool about the cars by in large. Just gussied up fleet vehicles.

I am a kid of the 70s/80s. Euro and Japanese cars really captured my fancy as a kid. Now that I can buy cars, those are the brands I gravitate towards.

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: Edumakated

why buy a Caddy when I can get a Lexus???

Exactly. Even if the product is similar, the brand name isn't. The reality is people care about image and brand when it comes to luxury cars. Cadillac destroyed their image over the past 35 years.

American car companies really did themselves in with poor product decisions. Ford and Chrysler too...

They all had crappy fisher price interiors. Bloated sizes. Nothing remotely cool about the cars by in large. Just gussied up fleet vehicles.

I am a kid of the 70s/80s. Euro and Japanese cars really captured my fancy as a kid. Now that I can buy cars, those are the brands I gravitate towards.

I'll disagree when it comes to Cadillac being similar to other European cars. I recently bought a new vehicle and the ATS V was a strong contender while was shopping, until I drove it.

The interior screams "made for old people". The infotainment system looked like the resolution was set to 100 x 100.

Most importantly though, compared to the M3/M4/RS3, the V just did not handle very well. It could be my perception, but when test driving I simply did not have the confidence (oh man, those poor salesmen) to drive it like the M4 tested the day prior. Too much body roll, the car never felt 'planted'.

GMC should turn to European brands for inspiration for their inferiors.

Turn to European and Asain brands for inspiration towards getting bigger power out of smaller packages.

No real reason to get an ATS V over an Rs3, unless you're a brand loyalist or you think FWD based AWD cars aren't "proper", in that case get a M car.

You’ve had to have worked in an auto plant to understand that the technology of robotics just isn't ready to move humans out yet.

Number one, 20 to 30 and 40 years ago they were already into robots in the plants.

They don’t use them for every kind of job in an auto plant.

People weren’t laid off much due to that.

The cars still need the human touch since robotics, building and operating a huge plant, actually might be more expensive than human beings.

People forget robotics are extremely expensive and have to be maintained and the building of an automobile along a very very long assembly line at this point still needs human beings rather than robots.

Sure one day it might take over all of the manufacturing but when you see the work in an assembly plant you’ll immediately see that robots will NOT for a long time yet move out human beings from making cars.

a reply to: Edumakated

I love Lexus. They park themselves interior is off the charts if you take care of it will last FOREVER decent gas mileage.

a reply to: Stevenjames15

Yes, I have a 76 Monte Carlo and a 2001 Camaro (5 speed). The Monte Carlo big motor has held up well, but the Camaro needs a "heart transplant" after only 100,000 miles . And the Anti-theft junk on the Camaro --- nuts! Battery died and anti-theft went into lock out mode.

The old GM cars were awesome ... had them all my life. But not too thrilled now after the Camaro experience.

But I also will never get an electric car or an automated one... too much "need for speed" still left in this old lady LOL!