US Low Birthrate like many other western nations

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: chr0naut

The speaking of the English language, or not, is unlikely to be a factor in turning to crime.

this actually wrong. if you don't speak English, read write in english while in an english speaking, reading, writing country that will severely limit your economic opportunities which will then potentially force you to seek other forms of income

This study: Speaking the Same Language? English Language Fluency and Violent Crime at the Neighborhood Level indicates that the situation is far more complex and that neighborhoods within the US where English speaking is low have a lower violent crime rate than those where language is mixed.

This also indicates that there is not a direct relationship between economic factors and crime because many enclaves of foreign speaking neighborhoods have a lower crime rate than more affluent and multilingual neighborhoods.

originally posted by: Dr UAE
a reply to: chr0naut

as if you have facts from a long past where there are no documents, please provide the documents or beedit

I already provided the link to the genetic evidence that Native Americans had come down in a single immigration and had essentially stayed in place for a long time.

The genetic markers do not show the variability that would have indicated interchange with other genetic sub-groups.

So they came down pre-historically from arctic regions, in a single migration and didn't migrate back and forth but, instead, stayed in place.

Documents aren't required to establish that they were the first humans in the region.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: rollanotherone

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: rollanotherone

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Breakthestreak
a reply to: chr0naut

“Workers” being the optimum word there. It looks like you agree with President Trump after all.
I mean, importing workers is kind of the whole point of legal immigration. Something the Trump administration has supported from day one.

As for ‘increasing unproductive loads on the economy’, yeah I wonder where we can get more of that from??

Also, except for the Native Americans, the American population is almost entirely immigrants

So wait. You're telling me the "Native" Americans were always here? From the beginning of time? Thats a new one to me.

If you want to include the ridiculous

You mean like this little doozy?

And since there is no credible sign that there were previous inhabitants, they were the original human inhabitants.

Doozy?

BBC - Earth - The first people who populated the Americas.

Cool story. Now let's talk about the story of being conquered.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Dr UAE
a reply to: chr0naut

as if you have facts from a long past where there are no documents, please provide the documents or beedit

Documents aren't required to establish that they were the first humans in the region.

And there is the flaw in your argument. We dont KNOW if they were the first humans in the Americas. To think we know ancient history is a sign of hubris. What we DO know is that we dont know. Speculation and theory do not make a fact.

a reply to: chr0naut

If you cant readbwrite and speak the local language how are you going to make money?

a reply to: chr0naut

capital gains
This is a deduction to offset the cost of buying machinery or property. Does not negate tax on money made from increased productivity. Your source - did you even read it?

“The truth is that we have a rigged tax code that has essentially legalized tax dodging for large corporations,” Senator Sanders said. “Offshore tax haven abuse has become so absurd that one five-story office building in the Cayman Islands is now the ‘home’ to more than 18,000 corporations.”

Facebook, Aetna and Exxon Mobil, among others, saved billions in taxes by giving options to top executives to buy stock in the future at a discount. The companies then get to deduct their huge payouts as a loss. Facebook used excess tax benefits from stock options to reduce its federal and state taxes by $5.78 billion from 2010 to 2015, the institute found.

Individual industries have successfully lobbied for specific tax breaks that function as subsidies

All it says about capital gains is,"Others, like American Electric Power, Con Ed and Comcast, qualified for accelerated depreciation, enabling them to write off most of the cost of equipment and machinery before it wore out." Hardly supports the point you were trying to make.

Despite being anti-intuative, the majority of places where technology and automation has actually replaced workers has been in the higher educated roles. This entire section is pretty much irrelevant to a discussion re: low population growth. Further, forklift jobs are being automated.

Japan
Your source - did you even read it?

The foreign share of the overall population has steadily grown, rising from 0.7 percent in 1990 to 1.8 percent in 2016

Immigration to Japan was and remains relatively exclusionary.

Immigration remains deeply unpopular in Japan according to public opinion polls, however, and no explicit, large-scale efforts have been undertaken to increase immigration levels.

"The speaking of the English language, or not, is unlikely to be a factor in turning to crime. There are entire countries that speak no English. So I think that factor can be considered debunked and ignored." ????
We are talking about communities of non English speaking immigrants residing within US cities not US vs. other countries. The same goes for your Wikipedia article.

I will concede there are some nationalities that appear less prone to criminality than others. We should try to select for these but overall, criminality is more a function of living in a foreign place, not speaking English, and having no hope of finding work than anything else IMO. You do what you have to to survive.

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: ClovenSky

originally posted by: toms54
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Yes. You're correct. Really, I don't know what came over me.

And that is why no one is ready to shine light into the heart of the subject, because you will be scorned from the ones that WANT to remain ignorant for daring to seek the truth.

They want statistics and easily accessible peer reviewed articles that have authors or organization they support.

It is interesting what our true motives were in the past for bringing children into the world. Was it for love or survival? Were children a net positive with a low price tag simply due to the lifestyle. They produced labor and end of life security. But in today's world, not so much. If anything they are becoming a liability, especially with the state involved.

What I don't understand is why a low birth rate is bad? The only situation where that would be bad is if the human race were so few in numbers, we are facing extinction. Or if our economy is a pyramid scam and if new workers are not introduced into the system, it will eventually collapse.

So you agree with his supposition that woman are only factor in lower birthrates ?

Man, I have read and reread all of Toms' posts and I can't find anywhere they are trying to place the sole blame on females. Could you point that out please?

Maybe I misread, but I got the impression Tom was simply stating that it was curious the topic hadn't mentioned females as of yet. I am probably wrong, but that leap of assumption was extraordinary.

Edit to add:

The only thing I can find close to your claim is the following:

Low birthrate in the US and western world in general is due to the destruction of the family and the changing role of women in our society. These other causes are minor influences that serve more to distract us from the fundamental cause than anything else.

I am reading an entire page of discussion with not one word about the role of women having anything to do with low birthrate. Am I supposed to think that women have nothing to do with childbirth?

Is that the text you interpreted as placing all of the blame on females?

a reply to: ClovenSky

My initial conversation where he alluded to women being the reason why birthrates are lower based on them being women as in the ones who carry the babies.

I may have misinterpreted him but its hard to tell when all he could retort was a smart ass comment . Obviously there are many other factors than simply women choosing to not have children, I stopped replying to him because the conversation was going nowhere fast.

a reply to: toysforadults

The Implementation of Agenda 21/30 has Already Begun . The " Silent War " is here . God Help Us All .........

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Ah, got it. My understanding was that they were simply shrugging off the request for direct proof and links. In a conversation of ideals and what ifs, the request for concrete examples is kind of a death kill to that line of conversation. Maybe I need to study those methods because from my limited reading comprehension, no one dared bring up the subject again.

I love Toys and the articles he posts along with the comments he adds to other OPs, but I thought the scope of blame was a little misdirected in this case.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: chr0naut

The speaking of the English language, or not, is unlikely to be a factor in turning to crime.

this actually wrong. if you don't speak English, read write in english while in an english speaking, reading, writing country that will severely limit your economic opportunities which will then potentially force you to seek other forms of income

This study: Speaking the Same Language? English Language Fluency and Violent Crime at the Neighborhood Level indicates that the situation is far more complex and that neighborhoods within the US where English speaking is low have a lower violent crime rate than those where language is mixed.

This also indicates that there is not a direct relationship between economic factors and crime because many enclaves of foreign speaking neighborhoods have a lower crime rate than more affluent and multilingual neighborhoods.

This article is not available without a subscription. If you have one, please copy out the parts which support your statements because the abstract does not do that.

The multivariate results reveal that lack of English fluency has a nonlinear relationship with homicide and robbery, such that when lack of fluency is low, crime rates increase

"neighborhoods within the US where English speaking is low have a lower violent crime rate than those where language is mixed."

In addition, levels of bilingualism moderate the effects of lack of English-language fluency for homicide but less so for robbery.

Your source - did you even read it?

a reply to: ClovenSky

I partiality agree with toys here, more to the point I agree that there are many similarities with the behavioral sink studies as to the how's and why's there are declining birth rates. It's a complicated issue for sure.

The men and women of America are not what they once were.

Men are more feminine.

Women are masculine

originally posted by: toms54

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: chr0naut

The speaking of the English language, or not, is unlikely to be a factor in turning to crime.

this actually wrong. if you don't speak English, read write in english while in an english speaking, reading, writing country that will severely limit your economic opportunities which will then potentially force you to seek other forms of income

This study: Speaking the Same Language? English Language Fluency and Violent Crime at the Neighborhood Level indicates that the situation is far more complex and that neighborhoods within the US where English speaking is low have a lower violent crime rate than those where language is mixed.

This also indicates that there is not a direct relationship between economic factors and crime because many enclaves of foreign speaking neighborhoods have a lower crime rate than more affluent and multilingual neighborhoods.

This article is not available without a subscription. If you have one, please copy out the parts which support your statements because the abstract does not do that.

The multivariate results reveal that lack of English fluency has a nonlinear relationship with homicide and robbery, such that when lack of fluency is low, crime rates increase

"neighborhoods within the US where English speaking is low have a lower violent crime rate than those where language is mixed."

In addition, levels of bilingualism moderate the effects of lack of English-language fluency for homicide but less so for robbery.

Your source - did you even read it?

I'll unpack the language for you with paraphrase:

"The multivariate results (i.e: breaking it down into separate categories of data) reveal that lack of English fluency (i.e: where they mostly can't speak English) has a nonlinear relationship with homicide and robbery (i.e: produces a curved graphical plot), such that when lack of fluency is low (i.e: when they can speak English, somewhat), crime rates increase.

This means that if you draw out a curve, as the fluency in English rises, so does the violent crime rate.

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Hey, an excellent conversation. Thank you.

As I am a sexists chauvinistic male, he does kind of have a point though. Women have a lot more power over childbirth than men do. In fact, with sperm banks, men are not even needed if a woman so chooses. If not sperm banks, one night stands are always an alternative if the female wants to conceive.

a reply to: ClovenSky

Absolutely no doubt that is a contributing factor, many women choose to have careers now instead of families.

Women may not need men per say, but to raise a child without a significant other is hard, very hard, I know a women who did just that, had 2 kids from a sperm bank, her life is hell and those kids are out of control. As the old proverb says, it takes a village to raise a child.

a reply to: chr0naut

I'm thinking "lack of English fluency" = "lack of fluency"

You have the exact opposite meaning. The rest of the sentence "but the positive effect diminishes as English nonfluent individuals come to represent a greater proportion of neighborhood population." positive effect = crime rates increase

In other words lack of English fluency causes crime rate increase but as additional foreign language speakers enter the neighborhood, the crime rates increase goes down i.e. the neighborhood stabilizes. So there is lower crime (at least homicide - not robbery) with a larger foreign community. They are less isolated, can help each other, etc. More bilingual people help also.

a reply to: chr0naut

Crime or reported crime?

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: toysforadults

The Implementation of Agenda 21/30 has Already Begun . The " Silent War " is here . God Help Us All .........

Totally agree and everyone is falling for it hook line and sinker

The 5% of people seeking truth has become far less than 1%

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: chr0naut

Crime or reported crime?

Does it really matter to the debate?