The Illegal Immigrant Caravans: Made in Chicago - New Caravan Of 10,000

So, my question: We know there are people and organizations who are organizing these caravans. Why are they not being charged with "Aiding and Abetting/Accessory" to a crime? Here we have a couple of Chicago based groups who receive money from leftest organizations to organize and assist breaking the laws of our nation for their own political power gains yet we do nothing while they openly encourage lawlessness.

criminal.findlaw.com...

A criminal charge of aiding and abetting or accessory can usually be brought against anyone who helps in the commission of a crime, though legal distinctions vary by state. A person charged with aiding and abetting or accessory is usually not present when the crime itself is committed, but he or she has knowledge of the crime before or after the fact, and may assist in its commission through advice, actions, or financial support. Depending on the degree of involvement, the offender's participation in the crime may rise to the level of conspiracy.

www.worldtribune.com...

A new caravan of 10,000 migrants said headed to southern border

The caravan is comprised of “thousands of people who are most likely not eligible for asylum” and are “teenage adult males,” not families and children, the official told reporters.

Ninety percent of asylum seekers from a migrant caravan in April did not meet criteria to receive asylum, the official added.

nlpc.org...

By various accounts, the center of gravity for this campaign is a Chicago organization called Pueblo Sin Fronteras, which translated from Spanish, means “People Without Borders.” That pretty much sums up the group’s philosophy.

Under the seemingly benign purpose of providing social services for the needy, notes Ludwig, Pueblo Sin Fronteras, a project of a Chicago-based 501(c)(4) nonprofit group, La Familia Latina Unida, seeks to elicit public sympathy for political gain at the expense of American self-governance. This Central America-to-United States caravan is not the group’s first such campaign. This spring, in fact, Pueblo Sin Fronteras organized a similar march with San Diego as the destination.

Pueblo Sin Fronteras and its sponsoring sister organization, La Familia Latina Unida, openly declare their intention to block any and all deportations of illegal immigrants. The two groups are functionally identical. They have overlapping staff and share a common address, 2176 West Division Street in Chicago.

So, we know who is funding this movement:

www.influencewatch.org...

On November 13, American documentary filmmaker Ami Horowitz reported that the members of the caravan making its way through Oaxaco, Mexico, were approximately “90 to 95 percent” male, despite reporting in the U.S. that the caravan consisted of men and women, and were primarily organized by representatives from a group called Pueblo Sin Fronteras, which organized trucks of food, water, and other supplies to the migrants. Horowitz also interviewed caravan members, who said they were “seeking employment they illegally enter the United States,” and not fleeing gang violence in Honduras, as has also been widely reported by Western news outlets.

The CARA coalition consists of the Catholic Legal Immigration Network, the American Immigration Council, the Refugee and Immigrant Center for Education and Legal Services, and the American Immigration Lawyers Association, all groups advocating for legal status for illegal immigrants and expanded immigration overall.[26] These organizations have been funded by a number of major left-of-center grantmaking foundations, including the Open Society Foundations, MacArthur Foundation, Ford Foundation, and Carnegie Corporation of New York.

Smart investment is in Mexican companies that manufacture temp housing.

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a reply to: infolurker

Overload the system until it breaks and then offer a socialist solution.

Same leftist playbook being used, I see.

Illegal aliens currently cost the American taxpayer over 60 billion dollars a year.

I often wonder why those who champion and elect leftist leadership don't think about what is going to happen when you wipe the whole system out.

No more welfare, no more social security, no more government programs.

S&F and let's hope something is actually done about it.

Before most of us are screwed.

Together with IsraAID who are doing a fine job with their star of david emblazoned trucks, picking up refugees and driving them as well as delivering supplies

originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: infolurker

Overload the system until it breaks and then offer a socialist solution.

Same leftist playbook being used, I see.

Illegal aliens currently cost the American taxpayer over 60 billion dollars a year.

I often wonder why those who champion and elect leftist leadership don't think about what is going to happen when you wipe the whole system out.

No more welfare, no more social security, no more government programs.

S&F and let's hope something is actually done about it.

Before most of us are screwed.

Yup Saul alinksy this has been going on for decades and they are checking off each step of the playbook.... But no one wants to seem to acknowledge it.....

It's clear as day

The Mexicans are beating them back.

They showed a Honduran women turning down free food.

She called it “Pig Slop”.

It really offended the Mexican people.

Mexicans and Hondurans do not get along.

Who knew...

a reply to: whyamIhere

Trying to be an American, but you won't eat "Pig Slop"?

In the words of the Cromulans.

"Disqualified!"

Mexicans come to the United States primarily to escape problems in their native country, which includes a stagnant economy, high levels of crime, political corruption and widespread drug use.......whoever wrote that must be a American just saying we have all the problems in one city. there stepping out of the flame into the fire

a reply to: infolurker

Just out of interest, what charge would you charge them with?

Not having a TV license? That's illegal according to UK law.

I mean, think of it, you could charge every person from every other nation in the whole world with, say, "un-American activities".

The lawyer who pulls that one off would make an absolute fortune!

Remember, Brawndo - it's what plants crave!

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: infolurker

Just out of interest, what charge would you charge them with?

Not having a TV license? That's illegal according to UK law.

I mean, think of it, you could charge every person from every other nation in the whole world with, say, "un-American activities".

The lawyer who pulls that one off would make an absolute fortune!

Remember, Brawndo - it's what plants crave!

Thousands of counts of Aiding and Abetting/Accessory" to knowingly and intentionally break the law.

Title 8 of the U.S. Code identifies federal criminal offenses pertaining to immigration and nationality, including the following two entry-related offenses:

“Illegal Entry”/8 U.S.C. 1325 makes it a crime to unlawfully enter the United States. It applies to migrants who do not enter with proper inspection at a port of entry, such as those who enter between ports of entry, avoid examination or inspection, or who make false statements while entering or attempting to enter. A first offense is a misdemeanor punishable by a fine, up to six months in prison, or both.

“Illegal Re-Entry”/8 U.S.C. 1326 makes it a crime to unlawfully reenter, attempt to unlawfully reenter, or to be found in the United States after having been deported, ordered removed, or denied admission. This crime is punishable as a felony with a maximum sentence of two years. Higher penalties apply if the migrant has a criminal record: up to 10 years for a migrant with misdemeanors and simple felonies, and up to 20 years for more serious crimes.

Remove the tax exempt status, since the charity enable breaking laws. Donations should dry up quick enough. Although getting that donor list for additional accessory changes might become entertaining...

originally posted by: infolurker

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: infolurker

Just out of interest, what charge would you charge them with?

Not having a TV license? That's illegal according to UK law.

I mean, think of it, you could charge every person from every other nation in the whole world with, say, "un-American activities".

The lawyer who pulls that one off would make an absolute fortune!

Remember, Brawndo - it's what plants crave!

Thousands of counts of Aiding and Abetting/Accessory" to knowingly and intentionally break the law.

What law has been broken?

You cannot charge someone for aiding and abetting or accessory to something that has not ocurred.

Title 8 of the U.S. Code identifies federal criminal offenses pertaining to immigration and nationality, including the following two entry-related offenses:

“Illegal Entry”/8 U.S.C. 1325 makes it a crime to unlawfully enter the United States. It applies to migrants who do not enter with proper inspection at a port of entry, such as those who enter between ports of entry, avoid examination or inspection, or who make false statements while entering or attempting to enter. A first offense is a misdemeanor punishable by a fine, up to six months in prison, or both.

Please explain how someone could possibly be guilty of this law before they have entered the US? You cannot charge someone for something they have not done.

“Illegal Re-Entry”/8 U.S.C. 1326 makes it a crime to unlawfully reenter, attempt to unlawfully reenter, or to be found in the United States after having been deported, ordered removed, or denied admission. This crime is punishable as a felony with a maximum sentence of two years. Higher penalties apply if the migrant has a criminal record: up to 10 years for a migrant with misdemeanors and simple felonies, and up to 20 years for more serious crimes.

Ditto for the second law. If they are not within the US, they cannot be charged for illegal re-entry.

The caravans originate in another country, beyond the authority of US law. At the time and location where they originate no US law has been broken.

Prosecution of someone who is innocent is 'malignant prosecution' or 'malicious use of process' both of which carry significant sentences for offenders.

a reply to: chr0naut

I am wondering if "enticement" to commit a crime might fit. Surely convincing one or many to take steps towards committing a crime is a crime in and of itself. The so-called caravan members certainly have declared their intent to commit a crime. I seem to recall also that the mere planning of a crime with one or more individuals does fall under conspiracy laws - not immigration law.

Yeah it's some kind of leftist conspiracy.

Republican messiah Ronald Reagan granted millions of illegals blanket amnesty with one stroke of a pen in the 80's.

originally posted by: Phoenix
a reply to: chr0naut

I am wondering if "enticement" to commit a crime might fit. Surely convincing one or many to take steps towards committing a crime is a crime in and of itself. The so-called caravan members certainly have declared their intent to commit a crime. I seem to recall also that the mere planning of a crime with one or more individuals does fall under conspiracy laws - not immigration law.

A caravan that with intention to head to Tijuana is not an enticement to commit a crime. Tijuana is an official port of entry for entering into the legal process. If they intended to enter illegally, they'd probably have far better luck crossing the border at another location.

You say that the caravan members have declared their intent to commit a crime but their actions have been to head to Tijuana.

The media and the POTUS have been calling them illegal immigrants when they were significant distance from the US border. At that time, they were not illegal immigrants to the US. The name that the president called them was a lie. It cannot be put any clearer than that.

Some have said that the caravan was 'illegal in Mexico' as if, by inference the President was under the authority of Mexican law when he made his comments. That's BS and invalid reasoning. The law doesn't work like that.

Not to mention that the Mexicans could have arrested and detained them, yet instead offered them work visas. At the time that Mexico offered them visa's they were entered in to the legal process. If they chose to stay and go through the process, or not and to seek legal process through the US, is beside the point because the process, which covers all the potential immigrants has begun and will take time. They are not 'illegally' in Mexico.

It was clear that the Mexican government did not consider the group as illegal or criminal. But that is beside the point because the US president or other US citizen cannot cite the law of another country as valid in their jurisdiction. It would be like the British Prime minister declaring Donald Trump as a law breaker because he doesn't have a TV license.

While there very well may be illegal and criminal elements in the caravan group, there are also many who are not. It is a crime in the US to accuse and maliciously prosecute the innocent. Even doing it to one person, is still a crime (called 'malicious prosecution' or 'malicious use of process').

Trump has issued several executive orders that prosecute (as collateral) those who are innocent of the alleged crime. Those EO's have been blocked on legal grounds but Trump has implied that there is something wrong with the courts because they blocked his EO's (five of them to date). He obviously does not understand how the POTUS, the legislative and the judiciary have rights of veto over each other to keep a balance of power.

Trump, like several Presidents before him, has sought to consolidate power into the Office of the Presidency. That is dictatorship and leads to the tyranny that the Constitution, Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights were written to prevent.

Trump also, clearly, sees nothing wrong with applying an untrue description to a group of people and then prosecuting those people according to his false definition, all without consideration of actual case by case innocence or guilt. That is 'illegal'.

Too bad we can't send them all to New Zealand where they just are dying for immigrant caravans with their bleeding hearts.

^_^

Lets all set up a gofundme and fly them over.

I got 200 on it.

originally posted by: Lysergic
Too bad we can't send them all to New Zealand where they just are dying for immigrant caravans with their bleeding hearts.

^_^

Yeah. Do it.

Also, we are a couple of islands, like Hawaii, it would only be fair to import immigrants commensurate with the resources we have.

The US covers 9.834 million km², New Zealand consists of 268,021 km².

Our total immigration in 2017 reached a peak of about 71,000, so that seems a sustainable number.

A plane ticket from Mexico City to Auckland for one adult one way will cost $1,700 US. The skilled migrant immigration levy is currently $2,244.30 US. If they are Mexican citizens, then we would waive the Visa cost but if they are from Guatemala or Honduras the permanent resident visa fee is $142.39 US. Then there is money to cover interim accommodation and food 'n stuff that'd be a minimum of $8,963.46 US for the first three months while they get themselves set up.

So, to fly 71,000 immigrants here will cost you about $926.56 million US. Cha-ching! Lovely.

originally posted by: Lysergic
Too bad we can't send them all to New Zealand where they just are dying for immigrant caravans with their bleeding hearts.

^_^

Great idea. Drop some flyers among the hoard of criminals and bludgers waiting in Tijuana advertising the benefits of crossing the (very small) body of water to New Zealand. Then supply them with inflatable boats that they can pack two hundred people into and let them set sail.

Offer them a $20 note each to make the journey and they’ll be gone!

After all, enticement is apparently fully acceptable according to the libs.