NASA is going back to the moon — if it can figure out how to get there

originally posted by: stonerwilliam

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: stonerwilliam

Perhaps, as an 8 year old, you missed something.
Eight year olds can be rather self centered.

That i did phage , a Russian engineer that was sitting with my grandfather who were laughing out loud at all this , even back then they knew about the letter on the rock and a coke bottle !

The letter on the rock has been debunked long ago so has the coke bottle claim.

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: cooperton

But you probably believe any old rubbish that you see on Youtube?

Ugh stop taking this so seriously. This stuff is not worth bursting an optic artery over.

originally posted by: wildespace
Lying and being mistaken are two different things, aren't they?

There is intense hubris involved with most of these topics that will never let go of their ideas despite overwhelming evidence for the contrary. It is our responsibility as discerning individuals to inspect the empirical evidence our selves and not relegate our thinking to a scientific elite.

originally posted by: wmd_2008
The letter on the rock has been debunked long ago so has the coke bottle claim.

Yeah some guy's science blog and NASA's automated email response proved it was just an alien that wrote the C

originally posted by: cooperton

Ugh stop taking this so seriously. This stuff is not worth bursting an optic artery over.

People are claiming something that is false. It's always worth taking time to deal with.

There is intense hubris involved with most of these topics that will never let go of their ideas despite overwhelming evidence for the contrary. It is our responsibility as discerning individuals to inspect the empirical evidence our selves and not relegate our thinking to a scientific elite.

You plan on starting that anytime soon? I see no overwhelming evidence from you, just an empty claim that there is. Don't be so arrogant as to assume you have the monopoly on independent thought and critical analysis.

Yeah some guy's science blog and NASA's automated email response proved it was just an alien that wrote the C

Nope, just examination of the facts, like the fact that it is very obviously not a letter C and the coke bottle claims didn't appear until a book published in 1999 and for which there is absolutely no corroborating evidence.

a reply to: cooperton

I am not exactly bursting anything about this so, relax.

Where is this "overwhelming evidence"?

Yeah some guy's science blog and NASA's automated email response proved it was just an alien that wrote the C

The "C" does not appear in the original photo and was just a hair or fibre that contaminated a later reproduction.

The coke bottle? Please......

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: cooperton

Where is this "overwhelming evidence"?

originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo

You plan on starting that anytime soon? I see no overwhelming evidence from you, just an empty claim that there is. Don't be so arrogant as to assume you have the monopoly on independent thought and critical analysis.

I was not making a point to either supporting or denying the moon landing. I am torn on the issue really. Every time I turn to believe it I find some absurd anomaly that makes it difficult to believe again

I know I posted this earlier, but it is worth looking at again



In one of the official Apollo photos, There were photographs leaning against the leg of the lunar module. It's stuff like this that makes me curious again.

a reply to: cooperton

Here you go:

Jack White's Photos debunked

Not photos at all, bits of packaging from science equipment. See close ups.

a reply to: wmd_2008

I'm not saying it would be a regular occurrence. There have been "cancelled" moon missions, for example. And starting around the late 1990s-early 2000s the US has had air craft that can go completely undetected (it may have been more recent, I'd have to double check).

There would be a butt-ton of strategic/intelligence initiative for the US to maintain a presence on the moon. America is renown for its "if we can, we should," attitude.

a reply to: cooperton

That's not your analysis is it? That's you just copying and pasting someone else's stuff without checking whether it has any basis in fact. It does not. There are no photos leaning against the LM leg, it is just curled over reflective foil.

You accuse people of blindly accepting what they are given and post an easily debunked piece of stupidity from a discredited idiot in return. Maybe take your own advice.

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: stonerwilliam

Hey! You going to answer my question?

My question is, what meaning do you attribute to this alleged behaviour and what does it have to do with any Moon hoax thing?

My question was based on experiments i was carrying out at home with glass and severe temperature changes , namely taking pyre x out of the freezer box of a old style American fridge we owned the type from the 40s-50s that would go super cold and was dangerous and inserting it into a huge soup pan , and i do mean huge pan while hiding behind the cupboard door with a set of tongs from a old twin tub washer and boy did they explode with some force i ruined the kitcken that day me and my friend were lucky not to get hurt , but i did when the folks got me .

So i asked Mr Aldrin about this or tried to and he walked away from a room of 120+ people and sat in a car , maybe he was hung over or something as i was just about 11 and thinking back a few years to when i trashed the kitchen seeing how glass could be in 2 states at the same time hot and cold .


The glass in the camera lenses and module and helmets could take it - minus 200 to plus 200 instantly , When i grew up i worked in places hot enough to cook white meat all suited up and boy did i sweat in those suits thinking about those COOL spacemen and that magical backpacks they had , and times i have had to don lead protection to work in areas of radiation again thinking about those spacemen and those Magical space suites that never made it to market place .

A few times over the years i read or heard a couple of weird quotes from NASA employees that said it is almost like they went into the future and got those Apollo rockets and you do wonder to yourself wtf are Nasa employees on about .

From the Wright brothers taking to the air till Concorde flew and Apollo +50 something years , Now they dream of having a heavy lifter like that rocket tonnage back then and are trying to build the son of concord , men sure managed a lot with slide rules and 64mb of memory back in the day .

Just lucky that when they were doing the maths back then to get a man made device to hit the Moon and not miss it or crash badly they got the braking distance right and adjusted for a Atmosphere

That would be my question to Mr Aldrin today , at what distance did they brake for the pull of the moon from the Earth and one i hope to live to see again soon i hope .

That is one thing i admired about the man he walked away and never told me a lie . Many moons ago i was instructed to hit a button should fire break out where i was working and get out in 10 seconds before a watertight door rammed shut , i laughed at the man telling me this and had to explain slowly to him that i could do 100 meters across a flat field as a teenager in just over 10 seconds / you read that right this slow kid was fast of foot but i breathed air and the Halon was going to kill it and everybody left in there , i think they spent tens of millions on that problem , it is a think of mine to find faults probably my dyslexic brain and the way it thinks

a reply to: wmd_2008

Do you have a link to those threads please

a reply to: OneBigMonkeyToo


Nope, just examination of the facts, like the fact that it is very obviously not a letter C and the coke bottle claims didn't appear until a book published in 1999 and for which there is absolutely no corroborating evidence.


I heard this when i was young it was talked about in the 70s

a reply to: stonerwilliam

There is no such thing as going from

minus 200 to plus 200 instantly

So what is your problem again?

a reply to: stonerwilliam

Your experiments were carried out in an atmosphere, which acts as a medium to transmit heat to objects in it. On the Moon there is no, or next to no atmosphere to do that. Simple explanation for you there. If you had an electric oven in a vacuum, do you think it would work very well?

You can Google space suits and the Apollo Portable Life Support System as the tech specs and info on them are widely and freely available.

It's not "magic", it's science. If you make the effort to try to understand stuff it stops being "magic".

"those Magical space suites that never made it to market place" .

What? You think they ought to be on sale at Tesco's?!!!!

As for the maths for navigation, braking, orbital insertion etc, you would be amazed at what boffins can and did do with a slide rule. They understood things like Newton's Laws of Motion and physics and stuff and, well, they were rocket scientists, you know.

Still not getting your point about Buzz.

a reply to: stonerwilliam

The coke bottle - that an Australian woman claims she saw. Which the millions who watched what she did failed to notice and of which there is not a shred of evidence for?

originally posted by: stonerwilliam
a reply to: wmd_2008

Do you have a link to those threads please

Here you go Aussie Genius a 672 page thread debunking Apollo Hoax claims see you in a few months after you read ALL of that and the links.

a reply to: wmd_2008

Yes. And we will be asking you questions on it, Stoner.

By way of a spoiler, he ain't no genius.

a reply to: stonerwilliam

Why do you think the the temperature goes from one extreme to another instantly Apollo missions would touch down when that area of the Moon was just starting to be lit by the Sun.

www.spaceanswers.com...

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: ParasuvO

a reply to: MteWamp Why so scared to use this fantastic 3m kapton film now...something change? They forgot how to make it? No matter period...the excuses made to the public and scientists alike are a complete joke.

It is still made and sold by Dupont:

Kapton - Dupont's Website

Readily available still. You can even buy the bloody stuff on Amazon.

"Complete joke"? - that would be you.

I use Kapton tape at work. It's a very strong material, easy to cut but very difficult to stretch or rip apart.

I wasn't even aware what kind of tape we use (we just call it "yellow tape") until they had that airleak on the ISS and I googled it.

I would urge people to go watch the Moondoggie YT series on this or go to the site of the person who wrote the essay and read it all, and you would find a lot more substantive info that would make you doubt things.

In fact I recently stumbled on a YT channel called 'From the vault of MIT' with videos from the early to mid 60s on the Moon mission where they actually go into detail and go inside the LEM and look at the spaghetti of wires and tubes and banks of 60s era electronics.

Any engineer knows that anything that is extremely complicated, including a mission parameter or a wiring method or something is going to have a number of fail points just sitting on the bench. You never do anything complicated without going through testing and redesign. But we know they could not test the Lunar lander because if you fired up the engine it ruined the device (Moondoggie explains this). There was an estimate that just on the bench (i.e. not in an extreme environment) there were between 6,000,000 and 9,000,000 fail point or critical junctures which had to work perfectly. This is just beyond the scope of believability for such a project.

As to photographic evidence, one of the things that is a 'tell for me' which is not really discussed much is the reflection of the 'Sun' in the visors of the Apollo astronauts. It looks like a big glowing ball. Contrast this with the many pictures of the Sun in the visors of an astronaut on the Shuttle or the ISS. Completely different. One looks like a fairly small pointed star, and the other (on the Moon) looks like a large (in comparison) globe of non-stellarized light.

They should both be the same and the Moon visor reflections look like that from a portable mega-light not the Sun.

I'll leave it up to the reader to search these things but I'll leave a couple links.

Moondoggie: (Center for an Informed America)

Moondoggie - Apollo

MIT Vault: "Landing on the Moon"



Pay close attention to the guide showing the door from the orbital module to the LEM. First it looks too small in diameter to get a person wearing the suit and backpack and it looks as though it actually hits on the side of a console when he tries to open it. He seems to hesitate and then closes it before we can see it won't open fully. A glitch (after all it is just a mockup for training) or a problem?

Further the mockup of the LEM looks a lot more substantial and professional than what you see in the Moon photos and videos.

a reply to: Maverick7

Or you could not bother.

Pretty much all of that tripe is just sarcastic eye-rolling and arguing from ignorance, a lot of ignorance. He repeatedly claims things information about things don't exist when actually they do. He intersperses his text with "Apollo believers don't ever discuss this..." when in fact what he means is "no-one has ever asked them this dumb question" or "I haven't heard about it therefore it doesn't exist."

Your own argument pretty much consists of "gee it kinda looks funny" and "I don't believe that could be possible". Those are hardly bases on which to make a decision.

As for the LM hatch, have a look at this video that summarises a guy who did lidar scans of the LM and a suit to see wat happened: