The Whore of Babylon & The Mark of the Beast Revealed

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originally posted by: SeaWorthy

originally posted by: ScatteredThirdAngel

originally posted by: SeaWorthy
I read a scripture the other day I need to refind, it said that we were marked as belonging to god by our faith in Jesus (as close as I can remember) it was an aha moment. If faith was a mark for Jesus then Faith in the opposite side would be the mark of the beast.

Deuteronomy 6:6  And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
Deuteronomy 6:8  And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.

If you have faith in Christ, and obey God's commandments, they are a sign upon your hands and forehead. This idea of a sign upon your hands and your forehead is something found in multiple areas of the Bible. The diligent observer will find them.

So what are you saying? The Tefillin?
The old law was fulfilled those laws do not need to be followed by Christians "Tefillin are two small black boxes with black straps attached to them; Jewish men are required to place one box on their head and tie the other one on their arm ..."

No, not the Tefillin, which is a seriously grievous misunderstanding of God's Word, and totally clouds the understanding. The idea represented in Deuteronomy is also found in Proverbs, and Exodus, also applying to other parts of the body, like the neck, the fingers, the head, and heart. The idea that God is saying to literally place boxes on all these parts of your body is utterly silly. It's all symbolic. Each part of the body represents something different. For example, the mind represents the free-will choice of obedience. The hand represents actions & force. The heart, well, is obvious, and we know the commandments are not literally placed upon the heart.

originally posted by: SeaWorthy

originally posted by: ScatteredThirdAngel

originally posted by: kelbtalfenek

originally posted by: ScatteredThirdAngel


The mark is a law, so any physical mark upon the skin wouldn't matter. It's simply accepting the Roman Catholic Churches law over the law of the Creator of the Universe, that is how you receive the mark of the beast.

Good thing I'm an atheist. I would hate to receive the mark.

Revelation 13:16-17  And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:  17  And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Which could easily mean you must serve the beast, follow, obey by working with your physical or mental self.

Pointing out the fact that none escape the requirements of the beast, save those who serve God.

My interpretation is the only true interpretation=fundamentalist fascism=you WILL accept and obey my word=death, spiritual and/or literal.

a reply to: ScatteredThirdAngel

originally posted by: ScatteredThirdAngel

originally posted by: kelbtalfenek

originally posted by: ScatteredThirdAngel


The mark is a law, so any physical mark upon the skin wouldn't matter. It's simply accepting the Roman Catholic Churches law over the law of the Creator of the Universe, that is how you receive the mark of the beast.

Good thing I'm an atheist. I would hate to receive the mark.

Revelation 13:16-17  And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:  17  And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

ahhh but you're quoting words of men. Like I said, good thing I'm an atheist.

originally posted by: ScatteredThirdAngel

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: ScatteredThirdAngel

Yeah but Nah, that's sort of possible but then goes stupid about the commandments

The 10 commandments were handed to Moses and is a Mosaic covenant, it's not the Christian covenant
You are putting laws on people, making religion the savior when Jesus ended religion and became the Saviour
There are Two Commandments, definetly not 10 for Christians
Love God and love each other

Anything else and you are confusing Judaism with Christianity

Seventh day Adventists have been getting it wrong since they started

You know, other Protestant Reformers besides the Adventists believed we had to keep the 10 Commandments, right? Like, Martin Luther. They just confused the Sabbath Day for Sunday. Which is entirely understandable in their day. Anyways, It's very clear that every single commandment has a requirement in the New Testament. Every other commandment is a moral obligation, and the Sabbath is confused for Sunday today. The idea that the 10 Commandments are simply for Jews is just an attempt by Satan to make the need for keeping the Sabbath appear less credible.

So Jesus died for nothing, you don't need him, you keep all the laws that He demanded at the sermon on the mount?
You should read the bible for yourself not let some book monkey tell you what to believe
Use your brain

The only thing satanic is that you think keeping the laws will have you with Jesus in heaven
You don't know that Jesus Himself has already completed everything for you to be with Him
You think your works, your law keeping will save you, that's satanic, that's denying Jesus, almost denying the Spirit. Thinking what you do makes you worthy

Jesus makes you worthy not keeping stupid laws

originally posted by: ScatteredThirdAngel

originally posted by: SeaWorthy
I read a scripture the other day I need to refind, it said that we were marked as belonging to god by our faith in Jesus (as close as I can remember) it was an aha moment. If faith was a mark for Jesus then Faith in the opposite side would be the mark of the beast.

Deuteronomy 6:6  And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
Deuteronomy 6:8  And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.

If you have faith in Christ, and obey God's commandments, they are a sign upon your hands and forehead. This idea of a sign upon your hands and your forehead is something found in multiple areas of the Bible. The diligent observer will find them.

Deuteronomy, seriously?
Deuteronomy is Jewish law, how is that related to Christianity

How on earth can you understand something so fundamentally simple as something so dumb

Jesus died so we can be saved by grace not law, what bible do you read

Diligent observer, you ain't one of them are you
Seriously, Deuteronomy was given as a mosaic covenant
Christians are not Jews are they, do you know the difference
You are what Paul warned about a Judaizer

a reply to: Raggedyman

This I agree with, actually I haven't disagreed with anything you've wrote.

The rest of the thread? They're the reason I'll never be a Christian. Very few are "worthy" in their eyes. Which is fine by me, I'd rather rot in hel with my solemn beliefs than be saved because I did what I was told.

Anyways a genuine question...

If the end times is God's will and receiving the mark is enough to deny you what does that make god?

Unsurprisingly, the video in the OP gets both wrong. Then again, what can you expect from those who can't even get the identity of God right, referring to Him as Jesus, who is stated to be God's Son instead over and over in the bible. If you're already "the Son of God", you can't be the same God that you are already a son of. That's a rather blatant contradiction.

1 Timothy 6:20,21

20 Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you, turning away from the empty speeches that violate what is holy and from the contradictions of the falsely called “knowledge.” 21 By making a show of such knowledge, some have deviated from the faith.

May the undeserved kindness be with you.

Identifying the Wild Beast and Its Mark
Identifying “Babylon the Great”

originally posted by: kelbtalfenek

originally posted by: ScatteredThirdAngel

originally posted by: kelbtalfenek

originally posted by: ScatteredThirdAngel


The mark is a law, so any physical mark upon the skin wouldn't matter. It's simply accepting the Roman Catholic Churches law over the law of the Creator of the Universe, that is how you receive the mark of the beast.

Good thing I'm an atheist. I would hate to receive the mark.

Revelation 13:16-17  And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:  17  And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

ahhh but you're quoting words of men. Like I said, good thing I'm an atheist.

And you quote the words of men when say, "you're quoting the words of men." The difference is the men of the Bible were inspired by the Holy Spirit to write that which has been unconquerable.

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: ScatteredThirdAngel

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: ScatteredThirdAngel

Yeah but Nah, that's sort of possible but then goes stupid about the commandments

The 10 commandments were handed to Moses and is a Mosaic covenant, it's not the Christian covenant
You are putting laws on people, making religion the savior when Jesus ended religion and became the Saviour
There are Two Commandments, definetly not 10 for Christians
Love God and love each other

Anything else and you are confusing Judaism with Christianity

Seventh day Adventists have been getting it wrong since they started

You know, other Protestant Reformers besides the Adventists believed we had to keep the 10 Commandments, right? Like, Martin Luther. They just confused the Sabbath Day for Sunday. Which is entirely understandable in their day. Anyways, It's very clear that every single commandment has a requirement in the New Testament. Every other commandment is a moral obligation, and the Sabbath is confused for Sunday today. The idea that the 10 Commandments are simply for Jews is just an attempt by Satan to make the need for keeping the Sabbath appear less credible.

So Jesus died for nothing, you don't need him, you keep all the laws that He demanded at the sermon on the mount?
You should read the bible for yourself not let some book monkey tell you what to believe
Use your brain

The only thing satanic is that you think keeping the laws will have you with Jesus in heaven
You don't know that Jesus Himself has already completed everything for you to be with Him
You think your works, your law keeping will save you, that's satanic, that's denying Jesus, almost denying the Spirit. Thinking what you do makes you worthy

Jesus makes you worthy not keeping stupid laws

"So Jesus died for nothing..." This is pure projection. Jesus died for nothing when it comes to the multitudes that refuse to keep the 10 Commandments. Isaiah 42:21 tells us that Christ came to magnify the law and make it honorable. By you calling the law "stupid", you show what manner of spirit you are of. You wouldn't dare say that about the other 9 commandments, only in your attack towards the 4th commandment, therefore you attack the whole law to accomplish your objective.

Jesus said He came to make us free from sin. The simple fact is, if you can't stop telling lies, if you can't stop stealing, or looking at women lustfully, or hating people in your heart, maybe it's because you don't even know Jesus in the first place. Heaven is a pure place of obedient commandment keepers, not a place of wretched sinner unable to overcome the slightest temptation. Only the obedient have right to the tree of life.

Revelation 22:14  Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Revelation 14:12  Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Ecclesiastes 12:13  Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

Jesus plainly stated in John 8:34-36 that He makes us free from sin.

John 8:34-36  Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.  35  And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.  36  If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Sin is the transgression of the law:

1 John 3:4  Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Jesus frees you from breaking the law, and you become a servant of the law in the newness of spirit.

Romans 6:18  Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

Romans 7:6  But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Don't get the first part of Romans 7:6 twisted, Paul clearly explains what he means. We are freed from the condemnation of the law in Christ. You can only be freed in Christ when you actually do what Christ says. Anything else is vain faith - properly called presumption. Hence why Paul clearly said He served the law in the final verse of this chapter.

Romans 7:25  I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

originally posted by: RAY1990
a reply to: Raggedyman

This I agree with, actually I haven't disagreed with anything you've wrote.

The rest of the thread? They're the reason I'll never be a Christian. Very few are "worthy" in their eyes. Which is fine by me, I'd rather rot in hel with my solemn beliefs than be saved because I did what I was told.

Anyways a genuine question...

If the end times is God's will and receiving the mark is enough to deny you what does that make god?

Proverbs 11:21  Though hand join in hand, the wicked shall not be unpunished: but the seed of the righteous shall be delivered.

1 John 3:7-10  Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.  8  He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.  9  Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.  10  In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

originally posted by: whereislogic
Unsurprisingly, the video in the OP gets both wrong. Then again, what can you expect from those who can't even get the identity of God right, referring to Him as Jesus, who is stated to be God's Son instead over and over in the bible. If you're already "the Son of God", you can't be the same God that you are already a son of. That's a rather blatant contradiction.

1 Timothy 6:20,21

20 Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you, turning away from the empty speeches that violate what is holy and from the contradictions of the falsely called “knowledge.” 21 By making a show of such knowledge, some have deviated from the faith.

May the undeserved kindness be with you.

Identifying the Wild Beast and Its Mark
Identifying “Babylon the Great”

I never declared that Jesus was the Father, as that would be an error. Nevertheless, that doctrine is for another thread.

What was wrong about the video? Please explain how it was wrong.

originally posted by: RAY1990
a reply to: Raggedyman

This I agree with, actually I haven't disagreed with anything you've wrote.

The rest of the thread? They're the reason I'll never be a Christian. Very few are "worthy" in their eyes. Which is fine by me, I'd rather rot in hel with my solemn beliefs than be saved because I did what I was told.

Anyways a genuine question...

If the end times is God's will and receiving the mark is enough to deny you what does that make god?

It's nothing to do with God its about you

God offers an invitation to you, "accept me, accept my grace and you can live with me for eternity"
Or
"Say no to me then as to your choice, be separated from me for eternity"

Do you think God should force a person into an eternal relationship

Maybe I misunderstood your question but, a golden ticket, you don't have to take it.

a reply to: ScatteredThirdAngel

So Scatter are you seriously telling me you don't sin
Did you read the sermon on the mount, do you seriously live according to Christs standard that was set.
Have you ever read the sermon on the mount

Again, when I read your words, you make it very clear Jesus death was useles and you deny Him. That's very dangerous
Why was Jesus death useless to you, because you don't need Him, you live the law perfectly according to you

Paul said that he didn't sin, that it was the disease of sin within him that sinned, not himself because he had God within. Jesus makes Paul perfect, not the law
You say you make yourself perfect by living according to the law, not Jesus
According to the sermon on the mount, YOU are a sinner
You are a sinner because you rely on yourself to be clean
I rely on Jesus to be clean

a reply to: ScatteredThirdAngel

So are you telling me that you never sin scattered third angel
In your day to day you don't ever sin
That you keep the whole of the law

That what Jesus taught on the "Mount" is your lifestyle

That you are so pure that you don't need Jesus, that the bible lies


Please continue to serve the law, the 10 commandments

It's people like you that make people hate the church and God.
The holier than though crowd
Pharisees of christianity

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: ScatteredThirdAngel

So are you telling me that you never sin scattered third angel
In your day to day you don't ever sin
That you keep the whole of the law

That what Jesus taught on the "Mount" is your lifestyle

That you are so pure that you don't need Jesus, that the bible lies


Please continue to serve the law, the 10 commandments

It's people like you that make people hate the church and God.
The holier than though crowd
Pharisees of christianity

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: ScatteredThirdAngel

So Scatter are you seriously telling me you don't sin
Did you read the sermon on the mount, do you seriously live according to Christs standard that was set.
Have you ever read the sermon on the mount

Again, when I read your words, you make it very clear Jesus death was useles and you deny Him. That's very dangerous
Why was Jesus death useless to you, because you don't need Him, you live the law perfectly according to you

Paul said that he didn't sin, that it was the disease of sin within him that sinned, not himself because he had God within. Jesus makes Paul perfect, not the law
You say you make yourself perfect by living according to the law, not Jesus
According to the sermon on the mount, YOU are a sinner
You are a sinner because you rely on yourself to be clean
I rely on Jesus to be clean

Raggedy, no one can keep the law without Jesus. I will repeat that again: No one can keep the law without Jesus. The sermon on the mount is the standard for life, and no man can do it in his own strength. Jesus said He will free you from the bondange of sin, so if you actually cannot obey the law at all (literally), then you don't know Jesus. You keep talking about having faith in Jesus - Those who don't believe they can overcome sin clearly DON'T have faith in Jesus when He said He would free them from sin. When the Bible says that you can do all things through Christ, are you saying that means, you actually cannot even fail to stop lying through Jesus?

Obviously I still fall and make mistakes, just like the Apostle Paul explained that he does in Romans 7. But what? Regardless of the need to confess and repent, he still put forth his efforts to keep the law, and eventually became an over-comer. And this is exactly what John is talking about. If you don't even put forth and effort to keep the law with your newfound power in Jesus, then you aren't even a Christian. A Christian in Christ does not live in sin.

a reply to: ScatteredThirdAngel

Celebrating the Sabbath on the 7th Day is the "mark" by which God will know his people. The mark of the beast, the total perversion of everything God wants, is celebrating the Sabbath on the 1st Day, Sunday. Satan flips everything backwards.

a reply to: ScatteredThirdAngel

Nobody BUT JESUS can keep the law
That's why we need Jesus to atone for our sin, thats why He told us to love God love each other, let love be the whole of the law Romans 13:8-13
Not your Jewish legalism

NOBODY can live up to the law, never could never would
"James 2:10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it."
Do you understand that scattered TA, do you comprehend you are breaking all laws?

Its redundant, the Mosaic law is redundant, Jesus fulfilled it, thats what He said He did

Jesus has already freed me from sin, I am not under the law, I am under GRACE
New Covenant in Christ

I dont keep jewish law because I am not a Jew
I have the Holy Spirit to guide me, thats why Jesus gave us the Spirit.
I guess you dont have the Spirit ?
You still need the law

You are a Judaiser not a christian ?

Go away, think, pray, ask God
Your theology is pretty scattered