Hate, what shall we do to stop it?

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: Boadicea

You said it doesn't matter if you hate.... I beleive it effects your health and well being.
Hate is divisive.

Okay. True enough. I never meant to say otherwise; I was simply speaking in a political context in response to the OP.

Hate is definitely detrimental to the hater. But that's the hater's problem alone -- unless they are given power over others.

a reply to: Justoneman

Hating stuff is awesome and my right as a human being,

I hate caper, just a disgusting flavor. Totally uncalled for, #LookWhatGodDidToMe#

a reply to: Justoneman

Powerful people have been speaking hate of what is truly honesty and we who do not call them out are going to suffer so we need to collectively come back together over truth and fairness. But without truth there is no fairness. The powerful ones seem to be in total control of what is 'reported to be the truth'.

So you agree that power is the problem, yes? And when haters have power they muck it all up for the rest of us, yes?

As for truth, its still about power. Take away the power to keep secrets and we'll have truth.

We could just kill everyone but say, 2 people. Start over again.

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: Woodcarver
a reply to: Justoneman

Well, a good beginning would have been to start a thread that doesn’t use generalizations and insults to get your point across. Too late now though.

To whom did I insult? I used no names.

There are several groups of people that you use as generalizations,
You disparage people who don’t care about scripture,

You say that both sides have hate, but the left is worse some how. Then you nail it home by virtue signaling your personal religion into the convo. You basically break everyone down into little groups and then proclaim that your group is superior.

There is only one group identity that is worth claiming. Human. Until you can see that, you are increasing the divide.

Bill Maher recently suggested that we go back to the old days, when it was considered impolite to discuss politics or religion. Nobody even admitted what they did in the voting booth, and nobody asked. It was considered rude, and private.

He said:

"Since nobody talked about it, we didn't know how much we hated each other, and IT WORKED"

lol. He's a scream, but unfortunately we'll never go back. Pandora's box has been opened.

a reply to: Justoneman

Stop consuming MSM and sadly, now most alternate media.

Do not listen to ANY politician.

Take those two things out of the equation and things would get better.

Great question, so good I had to join to comment as I think it's worth it. Hi I'm JJ, looong time lurker, this is my first post, I hope you like it


I think The real problem with "hate" is, most people have never given much thought to "what is hate"? in the first place?

A small question that's not easily answered in a brief written reply, but I shall try.

we have all 'hated' something or someone at sometime, can you remember what you felt but more importantly 'why' you felt that way?

IME the emotion of 'hate' is either indoctrinated into a person Or and is most usually the case, the psychological 'projection' of the feelings of frustration which become ANGER .... but #, they don't know what to Do with this 'feeling' of anger that's TextText solely theirs to "own", they 'made their bed' so to speak

BUT they don't want to "own it" as that would mean acknowledging their part in their current situation (read: 'what an idiot he's been listening to everybody else's opinions coz he's got none of his own as he's one of the "Tribe of the Ignorant" and doing this would only cause them significant "cognitive dissonance" aka "mind# ultra"

which is The. Last. Thing. these people want (or need!) in their lives as they've already got enough 'mind# believing other people's bull#' which most likely led to their misguided/mistaken/misinformed "beliefs" in the first place.

And as they don't want to believe they are the source of most of their problems, which they don't, they'll try "blaming" something else, like their job, or lack of job, or gf/lack of, other people etc etc so other than indoctrination as a child, en.wikipedia.org..." target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow">psychological projection if the basis of most people's "hate" starting with their own anger with themselves for 'failing' or whatever, which frustrates them and this upsets them which they then to proceed to take this out on other people

Another condition known as Borderline Personality Disorder aka en.wikipedia.org..." target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow">BPD the sufferers of which are known to "split" their opinions into black and white, often going from Love to Hate in a second! It's no fun for them and it usually makes them #ty people to know (unless they're aware of it and working on changing which is quite possible for some people)

And did you know that 5% of everyone on the planet are psychopaths! and people www.psychologytoday.com..." target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow">rarely guess who as they're usually friendly charming people ... or so they appear!

So it's true, there Are "haters who have gotta hate", TF they're the large minority, but we 'nice guys' have been getting shafted by a small group of these bastards for quite some time now, incredibly this orange man has appeared and truimphed over a great deal and I wish him and his team all the best (I'm not from the US) they are, IMO doing a great job so far and I look forward to the rest of these "natural haters" get 'removed' from any kind of position of power


And then there's also the "simply ignorant" people, those people who have had hardly, if any education and are essentially illiterate so TV ergo the MSM is often their first (and only) 'direct source' of what TPTB wanted those people to think with this "Dis-information" they spread via the MSM which these people listen to and talk about and they talk and back up their opinionsthey got from the MSM and so it goes. For now places like here are good to know about

These ignorant people cannot be blamed for their mistaken beliefs which have led to their current frustration at the fubar lives they have to lead becoz "the system", which only seems to screw then over, yet the pretty person on the teevee TELLS her "what's what" and 'who she should believe. Propaganda 101. The stuff TV pumps out, relentlessly,

(so many times a day it's scary brainwashing in broad daylight!) and "do it becoz everybody else in the country is! pushing the FOMO ... even playing in the background, today's TV "programs" are often just that, 'programs' of the very high tech and subliminal type -- (nothing news here to this community I'd imagine lol)


So becoz most people have nowhere to 'vent their frustration", y'know, like maybe have a few drinks and a good talk/bitch about everything with an old mate who knows "your story" and you leave a few hours later feeling Much Better about your Life again! Friends are powerful.

So they 'get angry' instead and "let it out" wherever they can find a 'suitable target' to attack and PROJECT on them Hardcore! Worse than Stormy hard!

BUT today, currently most people don't have that kind of 'friend' who they can spill their hearts out to and TRUST with the info, that it stays safely with them

IRL 'secrets' are more 'real' (duh) + girls are more likely to share the Bad # too with their friends, but most guys would rather have some teeth pulled rather than admit things aren't "almost perfect" and are loathe to think about ( what 'society' says is their "vulnerabilities" and talk about it becoz of this 2018 peer pressure to be prefect.

and as nobody/everybody is "perfect" already, this foolishness just adds to the FOMO bull# and then The Frustration begins.

Eminem talks about it very well in some of his earlier stuff as a few later songs too, about how one day it's all good and the next it's All gone to #. That's the # that "adds up" and eats away at the people who don't know how to deal with it/talk it over and out,

so, they look for something else to blame, job, partner, govt, money/debt, and slowly they add other things to this list of
"offensive others" who can be justly 'blamed' -- and this is how "Haters" start a hatin'!

Now IF we could TEACH people about en.wikipedia.org..." target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow">psychological projection

But I digress: to hate, which is "projected self hatred" caused by that person's unhappy life
becoz of the way they choose to live and the things they choose to think or believe.
But they don't want to accept this SO they must find something else to blame

all in all Hate is pretty useless

so what to DO about it? Understand why it happens sounds like a good place to start!

a) people become frustrated for many reasons, sometimes their frustration all gets too much for them to handle and so it spills over from them and becomes 'anger' (at themselves for not coping) being "projected" onto others around them, Rather than Accepting their situation and Taking responsibility for a situation they created instead of blaming others who had nothing to do with it so they can get 10 seconds 'satisfaction doing so. Impulsive anger like road rage begins like this

b) people "project their # onto others" far more than we either realize or acknowledge, we just let them do it

"projection" is what the schoolyard bully is doing but in kids (and psychos) we call it "acting out" by blaming all the other kids instead of owning his own #. If kids were taught about this in grade 1,2 qnd 3, bullying would soon stop
as the kids would now understand why they should "just ignore them"

Knowledge IS Power

a reply to: Justoneman

You become what you hate. And you only criticize and hate in other people what you do not like about your own character.

People who blame or scapegoat other groups of people just cannot accept personal responsibility for their crappy lives.

a reply to: JohnnyJetson

I agree with everything in your post.

originally posted by: Woodcarver
You say that both sides have hate, but the left is worse some how.

Lol!!! Republicans are just as bad as Democrats. If you think otherwise you are completely delusional.

a reply to: JohnnyJetson

Children learn bullying and hate at home. They either become victims or bullies.... parents should learn to treat children with more respect.
Children are small and unable to stand up for themselves - I very much doubt the adults would speak to other adults the way I hear parents speak (shout/scream) to their children.
More respect for the young may help stop the hate.
Anyone seen the film 'America History X'? It starts at home.

originally posted by: Justoneman
Hate is the real enemy here people.

Let's not get into a scripture fest discussing this as the ones who need it most will surely turn away and not discuss the issues. Or attempt to derail this thread.

Hate stirring people on both sides are in play but the left certainly has some pent up hate that is flaming the planet agitating people who are innocent and neutral.

Hate is brimming in the irrational behavior of the now proven Fascist = Antifa and the expected response from the victims. Thus, making for a ratings boost for MSM "news" as they spin it for even more hate IMO.

Name calling is not going to solve this. Labels are fair as I am a conservative Christian and it helps others understand me for people to label me. I am also and Environmentalist and an enigma in some people's mind. Being a mediocre athlete who had a short stay assigned to a MASH unit, I would say that science was going to be my best bet. So pick your label for me, it is your right.

It is safe to say that being truthful and willing to exam the facts with a neutral spin has been demonstrated works better than lashing out with hurtful comments. Sarcasm and wit are fine in a normal discussion. Logic and reason in a serious one. We need to understand forces are wishing us to fight each other for nefarious reasons and come together despite our differences.

Some here on ATS wish to ignore the stuff that is bad for the other side's Politico's is acceptable for their's. This is not going to solve the issue either.

What shall we do to bridge these issues?

We can't ignore double standards to move forward, and we can't be hurling insults either.

Ummm...turn the channel...or turn the set off completely...

#hatethehaters...

If you can't seem to recognize the hypocrisy and irony in the above hashtag...then I have some swampland you just might be interested in...




YouSir

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: Woodcarver
You say that both sides have hate, but the left is worse some how.

Lol!!! Republicans are just as bad as Democrats. If you think otherwise you are completely delusional.

Ummm...I know you are...but what am I...?




YouSir

This!

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Justoneman

Hate has existed since humans have existed.


We'll never get rid of hate. And why should we?

Hate can be a useful tool. Hate is a great motivator.


I say embrace the hate. Love the hate. Use the hate. Feed the hate. Aim the hate.

Ummm...Methinks the rabbit has finally jumped the shark...

A better statement would be to recognize that hatred like any and all other emotional states are a part of your human condition...to accept it for that...yet maintain balance...

Equanimity is such a better seat among the viewing stand...




YouSir

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: Boadicea

You said it doesn't matter if you hate.... I beleive it effects your health and well being.
Hate is divisive.

Agreed. People these days seem to be embracing the hate, they’re basically lost causes....

Hate the hate, there’s far too many people that seem to like hating others. Like they’re getting something out of it.

originally posted by: solve
a reply to: Justoneman

Hating stuff is awesome and my right as a human being,

I hate caper, just a disgusting flavor. Totally uncalled for, #LookWhatGodDidToMe#

Stuff hate is perfectly acceptable I suppose. It is people hate I am wanting to help end.

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: Justoneman

Powerful people have been speaking hate of what is truly honesty and we who do not call them out are going to suffer so we need to collectively come back together over truth and fairness. But without truth there is no fairness. The powerful ones seem to be in total control of what is 'reported to be the truth'.

So you agree that power is the problem, yes? And when haters have power they muck it all up for the rest of us, yes?

As for truth, its still about power. Take away the power to keep secrets and we'll have truth.

It seems you are right about this power and haters in power theory.

originally posted by: YouSir

originally posted by: Justoneman
Hate is the real enemy here people.

Let's not get into a scripture fest discussing this as the ones who need it most will surely turn away and not discuss the issues. Or attempt to derail this thread.

Hate stirring people on both sides are in play but the left certainly has some pent up hate that is flaming the planet agitating people who are innocent and neutral.

Hate is brimming in the irrational behavior of the now proven Fascist = Antifa and the expected response from the victims. Thus, making for a ratings boost for MSM "news" as they spin it for even more hate IMO.

Name calling is not going to solve this. Labels are fair as I am a conservative Christian and it helps others understand me for people to label me. I am also and Environmentalist and an enigma in some people's mind. Being a mediocre athlete who had a short stay assigned to a MASH unit, I would say that science was going to be my best bet. So pick your label for me, it is your right.

It is safe to say that being truthful and willing to exam the facts with a neutral spin has been demonstrated works better than lashing out with hurtful comments. Sarcasm and wit are fine in a normal discussion. Logic and reason in a serious one. We need to understand forces are wishing us to fight each other for nefarious reasons and come together despite our differences.

Some here on ATS wish to ignore the stuff that is bad for the other side's Politico's is acceptable for their's. This is not going to solve the issue either.

What shall we do to bridge these issues?

We can't ignore double standards to move forward, and we can't be hurling insults either.

Ummm...turn the channel...or turn the set off completely...

#hatethehaters...

If you can't seem to recognize the hypocrisy and irony in the above hashtag...then I have some swampland you just might be interested in...

YouSir

Oh now, I think for the sake of discussion we can concentrate on the theme of how to deal with it and make it less likely. You sir do make people think. Thanks.