Male Teacher Punished, Refused To Watch Naked Female Student In Boys Locker Room

a reply to: Phage

You don't think this could be an issue. A male teacher supervising a student with female genitals in the locker room?

..The first time she walked in, she caught “boys (literally) with their pants down...

With a “gag order,” school administrators forbade teachers from talking about the change, and ordered a male P.E. teacher to supervise the potentially undressed girl in the Chasco Middle School locker room, the letter says. When he refused to “knowingly place himself in a position to observe a minor female in the nude or otherwise in a state of undress,” administrators told him “he will be transferred to another school as discipline for ‘not doing your job in the locker room.'”

In an email, an administrator initially threatened to put the male coach on administrative leave, telling him that refusing to supervise a potentially naked female student would “not be tolerated,”

..Pasco parents have yet to be informed by the school of this situation..

You don't see an issue with that? You cant foresee a case where this male teacher would be left wide open for accusations of impropriety?

a reply to: Blaine91555

You don't think this could be an issue. A male teacher supervising a student with female genitals in the locker room?

Did this person disrobe in front of the teacher. Or anyone?

You don't see an issue with that?

I'm sure not going to take just one side of the story at face value.

originally posted by: soberbacchus
a reply to: Breakthestreak

Right.

That and more.

Start searching for the middle ground while it is still offered for the taking.

The far left is looney, but the middle is still open to discussion.

you effen tards keep freaking out and looking for hate outlets, you will end up just losers and the pendulum keeps swinging.

Offer tolerance where it is due otherwise no one has cause to tolerate you.

“Offer tolerance”.

I’m pretty sure that’s the opposite of the libtarded, leftist, democrat movement of the last two years.

Any minuscule step outside of the pathetic hivemind and it’s all over.

“Think how we think or we’ll attack you”, the very definition of fascism.

“Horrific”, yeah you must be really fun to be around. Someone who has to censor the letters In the word PUSSY usually is a fun person.

I have no problem with trannies, gays, any race, any nationality, almost ANY point of view is tolerated by me and everyone I associate with.

By all means, don’t tolerate me. Your insignificance won’t make much difference.

a reply to: Phage

Well, you sort of sidestepped my questions about your own opinion. That's OK if you don't have an opinion about what I asked.

I think the teacher is justified in saying no. The risks to him are too high.

I think it's wrong to do this and keep it secret from the parents.

I think it's wrong to punish him for making a very logical decision to not take the risk.

I was just curious about your opinion on the same things.

a reply to: Blaine91555

Well, you sort of sidestepped my questions about your own opinion. That's OK if you don't have an opinion about what I asked.

I was asking for clarification. Because it matters. Unless this person disrobes in view others, I have no problem with it. Have they done so?

I think it's wrong to punish him for making a very logical decision to not take the risk.

Has he been punished? This happened in September.

a reply to: soberbacchus

You have a person with all the physical characteristics of an adolescent female.

You are putting the adult male in the position to supervise that individual in a nude state. That is a crime by any definition. It doesn't matter what that person thinks they are in their head. What matters is what they physically are because that's how they can be treated.

But let's be honest ... an adult male being put in a position to have to actively watch any underage children in the nude is risking being accused of a crime.

a reply to: soberbacchus

Middle ground - a private changing facility for those who have gender issues where their mental gender does not match their physical sex.

a reply to: Phage

I can fully appreciate the awkward situation this teacher was placed in, as well as the boys who were caught with "their pants down," when this "girl" walked into the boy's locker room. The teacher was probably concerned of the perceived impropriety of supervising a girl in a boy's locker room...a place where individuals do disrobe. He refused because he felt it was wrong and rightly so. In addition, he was probably aware that some parents would vehemently object to it, because as the article points out: "parents have yet to be informed by the school of this situation, yet the transgender student continues to have open access to private male areas, according to Liberty Counsel." As a parent, I think any school district who enacts transgender policies without notifying the parents, should be condemned.

he refused to “knowingly place himself in a position to observe a minor female in the nude or otherwise in a state of undress,”

parents have yet to be informed by the school of this situation, yet the transgender student continues to have open access to private male areas, according to Liberty Counsel.

He noted that it’s standard for public schools to pass transgender policies without informing parents, voters, or taxpayers first. That means the public only hears about it after children have been affected, withholding all opportunities for parents to prevent their child’s exposure to this kind of sexual indoctrination, confusion, and exploitation.

Thus school districts around the country are caught between expensive, highly emotional lawsuits with unpredictable outcomes, and protecting children. Usually they choose to expose the children and protect their money and comfort, with as little notice to parents and taxpayers as possible.

thefederalist.com...

a reply to: shawmanfromny

I can fully appreciate the awkward situation this teacher was placed in, as well as the boys who were caught with "their pants down," when this "girl" walked into the boy's locker room.

I think the teacher's concerns were more religious than practical and I'm not at all sure that the boys were aware of the genitalia of this person or that they actually were caught with "their pants down."

As a parent, I think any school district who enacts transgender policies without notifying the parents, should be condemned.

Should they also be told that there are gay children in the school? Shall we play "guess who's trans" among the students? That's a fun game.

School Board attorney Dennis Alfonso said he received a letter from the Liberty Counsel in late September outlining the concerns. He responded that he would consult federal law, rule and court precedent to ensure the district was acting appropriately.

"This is an area of law that is somewhat fluid," Alfonso said. "We have tried as a district to treat each individual student’s rights on a case-by-case basis, based on the guidance available at the time."

Over the summer, he noted, two Florida school districts received rulings making clear that transgender students should be treated as any others, and should not be subjected to harassment or discrimination.

www.tampabay.com...

It's not nearly as cut and dried as some wish it to be.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: soberbacchus

You have a person with all the physical characteristics of an adolescent female.

Where?

Are you relying on the Propaganda outlet World Net daily to describer him to you?

Honestly, propaganda is a non starter.

Don't tell me what he looks like, show me or better yet discuss the conversation you had with this teen that you have offered up for world wide ridicule in your culture war. Tell me about the conversations you have had with his parents during this obvious struggle. Tell me how their drive for wanting their child to be accepted is a joke.

You make it difficult to forgive. This is why the left gets angry.

The world is big, there is plenty of # to get angry about, politics is forever, maybe not attack and shame those amongst us that are struggling to find their place in this world.

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: soberbacchus

You have a person with all the physical characteristics of an adolescent female.

Where?

Are you relying on the Propaganda outlet World Net daily to describer him to you?

Honestly, propaganda is a non starter.

Don't tell me what he looks like, show me or better yet discuss the conversation you had with this teen that you have offered up for world wide ridicule in your culture war. Tell me about the conversations you have had with his parents during this obvious struggle. Tell me how their drive for wanting their child to be accepted is a joke.

You make it difficult to forgive. This is why the left gets angry.

The world is big, there is plenty of # to get angry about, politics is forever, maybe not attack and shame those amongst us that are struggling to find their place in this world.

You do know that answering your request for photo evidence of the gender would be a violation of the ATS T&C's, and potentially considered bordering on trafficking in child pornography. See, the laws are pretty clear in this area, which is what the PE teacher seems to have been concerned with in this case.

Frankly, I do not blame him one bit for refusing to comply with the demand from the school administration. The school administration is NOT above the law.

And, I seriously question your constant fascination with requesting photo proof....that could also be considered borderline pedo behavior in the right legal context.

Careful what you wish for, if you get it you could be charged for trafficking in child porn.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: soberbacchus

Middle ground - a private changing facility for those who have gender issues where their mental gender does not match their physical sex.

Middle ground, where those that attack struggling children are allowed to leave in peace.

That is the best offer you will get in your culture war.

The world is changing fast. Make shaming and belittling struggling teens your prey and life will not be kind to you.

a reply to: Krakatoa

You are not a serious person.
Or at least you give no reason to take you seriously.

a reply to: soberbacchus

I see.

When all else fails, blame the source for making things up.

Then blame us for not thinking exactly as you do.

I've said it before - I get that if someone truly feels in their own head that they are not in the body that matches what gender they feel they are, then they should be accommodated to some extent. I get that it would be awkward to be in among people who don't match what you think you are.

But I ask at the same time that people who claim their whole life is awkward for that reason to realize that their mental reality does not match the physical reality of all the other people around them. That the very same awkwardness they feel because their mental reality is different is what they now making those others feel in an attempt to feel comfort themselves.

You have one person claiming mental comfort at everyone else's expense.

Is that right?

I don't think it is. If it's so wrong for the one person to feel that awkwardness and shame, then it's even more wrong to make everyone else feel that same awkwardness and shame just to make the one person feel good about themselves, and it doesn't make it all right just because that one person is a minority and you can tell yourself that they are the formerly oppressed, and to think that way isn't justice, it's revenge or vengeance - righting perceived sleights through meting out punishment not simply seeking to redress grievance.

The only way to even try to make both sides even close to whole in this would be to create a private space for the person whose inner gender does not match their physical sex.

originally posted by: soberbacchus
a reply to: seagull

"People are people so why should it be
You and I should get along so awfully

So we're different colours
And we're different creeds"

????

So up to 5% of the population has the unfortunate reality of falling on the "indeterminate" spectrum of sex when born.

Thus doctors "Assign" sex and often recommend infant surgery to meet their assignation.

How about we show a little humanity toward those of us that were shoved down a path their natural instincts strongly disagree with? Maybe we engage in a little sympathy or empathy and not declare them a freak show?

There is a new age coming and it has less tolerance for intolerance. You are welcome to fight for intolerance and comfortable hate, but you will deny your stance when history shames you. I recommend (for as little it is worth to you) being a hero not the villain when the future looks back.

I would like citations for your statements. Specific to the 5% metric.
Everything I have seen shows a far lower percentage than that.

originally posted by: soberbacchus
a reply to: Krakatoa

You are not a serious person.
Or at least you give no reason to take you seriously.

I am not the one openly asking to see a picture to prove the physical sexual organs of a minor here. Go ahead, try to deny that is exactly what you openly asked for here.....you can't because you did.

Why even think of that unless you had some covert reason?

Seems you are a bit too defensive over that, huh?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Blaine91555

Well, you sort of sidestepped my questions about your own opinion. That's OK if you don't have an opinion about what I asked.

I was asking for clarification. Because it matters. Unless this person disrobes in view others, I have no problem with it. Have they done so?

I think it's wrong to punish him for making a very logical decision to not take the risk.

Has he been punished? This happened in September.

In school locker rooms people change from their school clothes to their gym clothes. I assume It was the same when you were in school?

a reply to: randomtangentsrme

What does that have to do with my question?

Did this person disrobe in view of anyone?