The Coincidences of Oumuamua

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: chr0naut

Or perhaps they could just implode the Sun then all those eight billion idiots could get the glorious pointless death they so desire.

By increasing its mass?

Easy peasy.

Nah, differential density. Even easier.

a reply to: chr0naut

Gotta overcome light pressure.
Gravity is the only way to do that.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: chr0naut

Gotta overcome light pressure.
Gravity is the only way to do that.

Yeah...did a google search on "DIY star implosions" and you have to add some mass. I can not say how much because the instruction video was in swedish..

Peace

a reply to: operation mindcrime

It's the concept that matters.
The details will take care of themselves.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: chr0naut

Gotta overcome light pressure.
Gravity is the only way to do that.

Yes, but sunspots are produced by the twisting of magnetic field lines. No need for mass changes there and it can lead to CME's (that's coronal MASS ejections) so mass is involved but not necessarily the only cause.

A sunspot is essentially a puncture point in the corona where field lines converge and they look dark because we can see in through the glow.

Now you also have wave dynamics going on there because especially towards the surface, the sun is quite fluid. Just as a wave at the surf can break surface tension, so waves in the surface can also detach parts of the surface. A combination of surface wave interactions, guided by magnetism, and even making use of the energy differentials within the Sun, could theoretically cause the Sun to fold in on itself, raising its density and pushing nucleosynthesis into the heavier elements.

This would change the color/temperature of the Sun and no doubt trigger an unnaturally large ejection followed by a period of oscillatory changes in energy output as a new 'normal' point of balance is attained.

But energy is mass and I'd assume that our traveling aliens would have it available in stellar mass equivalents.

a reply to: chr0naut

This would change the color/temperature of the Sun and no doubt trigger an unnaturally large ejection followed by a period of oscillatory changes in energy output as a new 'normal' point of balance is attained.

Smally, yes.
But a loss of mass will not result in an implosion.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: chr0naut

This would change the color/temperature of the Sun and no doubt trigger an unnaturally large ejection followed by a period of oscillatory changes in energy output as a new 'normal' point of balance is attained.

Smally, yes.
But a loss of mass will not result in an implosion.

When a star nova's there is usually ejection of the surface but the core collapses into a denser state.

It isn't as simple as a 'total mass' situation. Because we are talking of vast and differentiated environments within the effect.

a reply to: chr0naut

It isn't as simple as a 'total mass' situation. Because we are talking of vast and differentiated environments within the effect.

A nova will not occur without sufficient mass.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: chr0naut

It isn't as simple as a 'total mass' situation. Because we are talking of vast and differentiated environments within the effect.

A nova will not occur without sufficient mass.

Density.

The Plutonium trigger in most nukes nowadays doesn't change mass like with the old gun assembled ones, it is instead achieved by compression. Density is the key rather than mass and it is both more reliable and effective.

a reply to: chr0naut

Density.

Mass.

Plutonium is fission, stars are fusion. Fusion by gravity.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: chr0naut

Density.

Mass.

Plutonium is fission, stars are fusion. Fusion by gravity.

OK, a star consumes most of its Hydrogen, so that expansive force dies out and gravitation takes over. The compression of the collapse causes nuclear re-ignition and burning of increasingly heavier elements along in the chain.

In a star that goes nova or higher, the total mass is reduced but it is density that kicks the next burn phase. As far as we can theorize, the process continues all the way down to neutron stars and black holes.

It is possible to create collapsed states of matter in the lab with tiny masses, but high densities. Doing so with enough star stuff can lead to exceeding a tipping point where the collapse exceeds the expulsive forces. I.e: you'd create a differential collapse which would eat the star.

a reply to: chr0naut

In other words, the only way to implode a star is by adding mass because there is no way to increase density because light pressure.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: chr0naut

In other words, the only way to implode a star is by adding mass because there is no way to increase density because light pressure.

Reducing light pressure causes stellar density to increase without any added mass.

It happens in nature. I'm just suggesting that these amazing travelers could probably give things a little push along. It wouldn't be a biggy. They can already mess heavily with spacetime, doing so with the tools at hand would be trivial.

I looked at the animations for both this object (Oumuamua) and The new one in the news today (C/2019 Q4 (Boris)). Assuming the orientations for the animations are the same, it looks like both of these objects are coming form the same direction.

Secondly, the speed of C/2019 Q4 is 93,000 mph or 1/2 the speed of Oumuamua (186,000 mph) which is the speed of light (186,000 mps)/3600 (the number of seconds per hour).

Just a coincide ?

originally posted by: graysquirrel
I looked at the animations for both this object (Oumuamua) and The new one in the news today (C/2019 Q4 (Boris)). Assuming the orientations for the animations are the same, it looks like both of these objects are coming form the same direction.

Not even close. C/2019 Q4 comes from the direction of Cassiopeia. Oumuamua came from the direction of the constellation Lyra.

Secondly, the speed of C/2019 Q4 is 93,000 mph or 1/2 the speed of Oumuamua (186,000 mph) which is the speed of light (186,000 mps)/3600 (the number of seconds per hour).

Just a coincide ?

Where do you have those numbers from?

The interstellar velocity of C/2019 Q4 is estimated to be about 30.7 km/s or 68,674 mph, Oumuamua 26.33 km/s or 58,899 mph. The speed increases the closer an object gets to the sun reaching about 40 - 50 km/s

a reply to: moebius

Where do you have those numbers from?

Multiply by something, take the cube root and add 42.

a reply to: moebius

What is the angular distant between Cassiopeia and Lyra ?

The speeds are Quoted in articles and are the max speeds reached when the objects are the closest to the sun.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: chr0naut

Gotta overcome light pressure.
Gravity is the only way to do that.

Gravity wave generators synchronized to create a resonant solotonic phantom mass in the center of the star.

I notice another thread here on ATS (www.abovetopsecret.com...) where it is pointed out that Tau Ceti e is an earth like planet only 12 light years away. Tau Ceti e is in the constellation Cetus which is at angle 2 hr on a constellation map. Cassiopeia, the incoming direction of the second interstellar object is also at 2 hr. Are these exterestials trying it tell us that they are on Tau Ceti e ?

a reply to: graysquirrel

Tau Ceti e is an earth like planet

Not really.
www.space.com...


In any case the new visitor is in Cancer, at R.A. 9:19