Please help me to visualise realtime solar system positions + motions...

Hi folks,

Over the past few years I have repeatedly tried to find an App or a website which can provide me with a suitably accurate animation of the Earth, Moon & Sun in their realtime positions/motions, if possible with the wider solar system & perhaps even the galactic positions/motions too.

I kid you not, I've tried all manner of search terms & all I ever find is simple animations which do not in any way whatsoever help me to basically pinpoint my location on Earth, to visualise the realtime motions of even just the Moon relative to my live position in relation to the 'fixed' location of the Sun.

Why has nobody addressed this yet? Or, have they, and if they have, why is it not more accessible than it is?

With all the shenanigans of the Flat Earth conspiracy, one would think that a realtime 'Earth & Heavens' site or App would have been created. There are innumerable animations of the solar system, 'walk-throughs' of the solar system, and the like - but NOTHING which enables me to pinpoint & visuaise my exact location relative to what I see in the sky with the motions of Earth, Moon & the larger systems beyond.

For years I have had an extremely strong sense that if I could just get a bead on my actual, literal position relative to the motions of Earth & the Heavens, then I would be able to get rid of this weird sense of cosmic detachment that's plagued me for such a long time - indeed my whole life in one way or another. It's literally a sort of meditative crisis now, in the sense that I cannot fully centre myself, or still my fears, unless I can find a way to connect back into the motions of the wider system. For me, this is perhaps similar to the nameless sense that 'something isn't right' with Reality - just like in the Matrix mythos, along the lines of Morpheus's introduction to Neo - in the lead up to the 'red pill, blue pill' moment. That sense that something is wrong, but you can't quite name it, can't quite place it..

I've narrowed it down now, and this sense of not being connected, of having no tangible origin point/ familial links/ national or racial links even, seems tied to this fact of being totally unable to centre myself in the knowledge of my position relative to the realtime motions of the solar system/galaxy. That might sound ridiculous to you, and now that I've typed it out I admit it does seem a little ridiculous. However, I really can't shake it. I've had dreams my whole life of being intimately acquainted with the paleoancient past history of Earth, and connected in a particular way that I'd rather not discuss at the moment - I do believe in reincarnation as a direct result, despite the fact that my faith group does not believe in such, and in fact generally condemns it as unreal/ false, so people don't talk about it even though they sense perhaps that it might be at least partly true. These dreams of paleoancient connection go along with my modern sense of utter detachment, as though I'm from what the New Age would call 'another soul group', IE not a naturally Human soul group. But not exactly alien either - it's impossible to explain without a very long presentation/ discussion, which I won't go into here as it's the wrong forum.

With all that said - can anyone point me to a suitably accurate, realtime piece of software/ website/ App which accomplishes an accurate rendition of the proper motions of Earth & Moon through the solar system, & possibly the wider solar/galactic system as a whole? I would be greatly indebted to you. I figured that perhaps Google has censored the results at one point, if the urban legends of occult traditions maintaining a hold over the big corporations are in fact true - because my hunch is, that a meditative grasp of one's exact position & motion can be a powerful tool in the process of personal meditative practice.

Thanks all.

a reply to: AstralThundera

Solar System is easy. Here's a real simple one:
www.fourmilab.ch...

Here's a prettier one:
www.solarsystemscope.com...

For looking at the sky, Stellarium can't be beat:
stellarium.org...

There's actually lots of them.

The NASA/JPL one is sort of famous.

But perhaps you want something different, with planetary rotation, and wobble?

There are also issues of scale that makes wider emulation difficult.

a reply to: AstralThundera

project-metis.com...

a reply to: AstralThundera

No, Our Solar System is NOT a “Vortex”

a reply to: AstralThundera

This is the most cutting edge thing I've seen.... uploaded by the American Museum of Natural History in October of 2018.

It's seriously awesome...



Video Link

Thanks all, will have a look through. In response to one of the questions, yes, I feel I need to have as much details as possible, including axial tilt & all that - it seems we are at a point in history where there should be no obstacles to achieving perfect multi-perspective realtime modelling, and so I hope that the suggestions put forward get me to the solution I need. Thanks for helping to filter through the options, I will let you know my thoughts in response asap.

originally posted by: AstralThundera
Thanks all, will have a look through. In response to one of the questions, yes, I feel I need to have as much details as possible, including axial tilt & all that - it seems we are at a point in history where there should be no obstacles to achieving perfect multi-perspective realtime modelling, and so I hope that the suggestions put forward get me to the solution I need. Thanks for helping to filter through the options, I will let you know my thoughts in response asap.

Well this can help this explains we are tilted as our sun travels through the galaxy. We appear to be tilted 63 per cent from the galactic plane, So even the movie earlier is wrong as sometimes the planets are ahead of the sun and others behind it.


www.space.com...

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: AstralThundera

Solar System is easy. Here's a real simple one:
www.fourmilab.ch...

Here's a prettier one:
www.solarsystemscope.com...

For looking at the sky, Stellarium can't be beat:
stellarium.org...

I love Stellarium thanks for the links Phage.

a reply to: AstralThundera

I think the biggest challenge you'll face is that you can't get the sun and any of it's planets in the same view and have any sort of sense of scale.

The planets ate tiny compared to our star- the moons aren't even specs of dust.

If you're serious about understanding, I suggest you spend a hundred hours paying a video game called kerbal space program.
After that, you can install the mods that give it realistically scaled maps- the distance from here to there is mind blowing, and the difficulty of moving around even our solar system is sobering.

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: AstralThundera

Solar System is easy. Here's a real simple one:
www.fourmilab.ch...

Here's a prettier one:
www.solarsystemscope.com...

For looking at the sky, Stellarium can't be beat:
stellarium.org...

I love Stellarium thanks for the links Phage.

There are others Phage didn't mention, like 'World Wide Telescope'

www.worldwidetelescope.org...

and Celestia

celestia.space...

but Stellarium is by far the easiest to use and the least processor hungry! Sadly the phone version isn't free, but a good one I use if I see something when I'm out and about is SkySafari - it has premium options but what you get for free is excellent.

In terms of the OP, no - Google is not censoring results, and you may not want to blow your mind too much visualising your position in space...

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: AstralThundera

Solar System is easy. Here's a real simple one:
www.fourmilab.ch...

Here's a prettier one:
www.solarsystemscope.com...

For looking at the sky, Stellarium can't be beat:
stellarium.org...

I agree with Phage, stellarium is has been and will most likely continue to be the best

Its open source and community driven and what a lot if not most planetariums use (or used to use)

originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo

In terms of the OP, no - Google is not censoring results, and you may not want to blow your mind too much visualising your position in space...

We succeeded in taking that picture [from deep space], and, if you look at it, you see a dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever lived, lived out their lives. The aggregate of all our joys and sufferings, thousands of confident religions, ideologies and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilizations, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every hopeful child, every mother and father, every inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every superstar, every supreme leader, every saint and sinner in the history of our species, lived there on a mote of dust, suspended in a sunbeam.

The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that in glory and in triumph they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of the dot on scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner of the dot. How frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds. Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the universe, are challenged by this point of pale light.

Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity – in all this vastness – there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves. It is up to us. It's been said that astronomy is a humbling, and I might add, a character-building experience. To my mind, there is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly and compassionately with one another and to preserve and cherish that pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known.

— Carl Sagan, speech at Cornell University, October 13, 1994

One of the best quotes/essays I've ever read.

a reply to: AstralThundera


Realtime and scale are a problem first in realtime the Earth would only rotate once in 24 hours, scale is another major problem here is the Earth, Moon and distance between them.



I would start with Stellarium as suggested and use it to compare the night sky from your position even dates in the past and future.

I use it to see were in the sky the ISS will be when it flys over where I live.

there are a few good posting answers already...


here's another static graphic of the Solar System orientation as it travels up-&-down as it orbits about 2/3rds out from the Galaxy Center

see:


there are several animated gifs out there that may help you envision your orientation as you travel unawares thru space on mothership Earth

now do you understand just why the nighttime sky has the MilkyWay band of light (which is the more dense Galactic Plane composition of stars) at the extraordinary position of being Verticle ...instead of being a Horizontal band of light


hope this helps in getting a visualization of your orientation in the universe/galaxy/solar system/planet



(( if you notice my Avatar of planet earth and the Axis line... you might notice that the angle of the Axis tilt from the vertical is noted--> what needs to be deduced by the onlooker is that the remaining degrees which constitutes the Angle from the perpendicular --> results in 66.6 degrees, which is indeed an play on a very auspicious number ~666~....have a nice day))

a reply to: St Udio


in conclusion... you/me / we are traveling-spinning-orbiting-through space at near 900 Km per second.


our daily axis spin /annual orbit/ galaxy orbit/ galaxy local-group expansion rate -> Adding everything up, we get:

30 km/s + 230 km/s + 40 km/s + 600 km/s = 900 km/s
So, you're moving pretty fast as you lie in bed!


It's true that your physical senses do not register this motion through Time-Space


but our Soul or Spiritual component of Self would respond or resonate to that 900km/s frequency----
Is that the knowledge you are attempting to discern, for your 'place' or 'position' in the material cosmos ?


(( so.... there you have it .... future space travel could be made efficient if WE could just Stop hurtling thru space and we would be 900km traveled each second of time... with no heavy or messy/explosive rocket fuel to carry around to propel ourselves through Time-Space))

originally posted by: St Udio

our daily axis spin /annual orbit/ galaxy orbit/ galaxy local-group expansion rate -> Adding everything up, we get:

30 km/s + 230 km/s + 40 km/s + 600 km/s = 900 km/s
So, you're moving pretty fast as you lie in bed!

Are all of those vectors in the same direction (i.e., can they simply be added, or do some of them -- or at least a component vector of some of them -- subtract)?

It's true that your physical senses do not register this motion through Time-Space

but our Soul or Spiritual component of Self would respond or resonate to that 900km/s frequency

I don't think my spiritual self (if I even have one) cares about my motion through space.

As Einstein pointed out, motion is relative. If you want to be technical about it as far as actual motion is concerned, it's just as valid to say that I'm sitting still in space while everything else around me is moving relative to me.

Obviously, everything is moving and nothing is actually sitting still, but picking one particular thing (any particular thing, such as me/my body) and say it is sitting still while the rest of the Universe moves around it in an extremely complicated dance is a valid (but convoluted) viewpoint.

proportionally representing the scale differentials(time/space), quickly runs into numerical precision issues on computer simulations.
This is something to mediate on that should bring you down to earth.

a reply to: Soylent Green Is People


your intellectual mind and your Astral body might be interested in reading this linked article....


your velocity & position in the present is of more importance than you might think--- or else our brains would not be organized in such a way that are interestingly presented in the Article I have linked for you & others to see/study...




shepherdsheart.life...


there are too many quotable points-of-interest to even try to present here in snip-form


enjoy & incorporate the knowledge, (your friend)