Any evidence of pre setup?

originally posted by: democracydemo
a reply to: neutronflux

Correct ,the booms (sound) that start prior to visual (light) of the collapse and continues as collapse progress.

Source of the booms are not air condition units nor transformers, but evidence of pre setup explosive material...exploding.

Based on what evidence.
Again. Just for you.

Which I replied there could be several reasons for what your referred to as booms. Then posted videos of exploding AC units and transformers.

Now. Do you have evidence of a pressure wave with the force to cut steel columns. Again, specially in the context of a supposed CD the WTC buildings had no traps to capture ejected shrapnel that would had sprayed the streets, and caused very specific evidence, damage, and injuries.

Katie Bender's family commemorate 20 years since Royal Canberra Hospital implosion


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The public's attendance was encouraged by the then ACT Liberal Government. Katie was standing more than 400m away from the explosion but killed instantly when she was hit by a piece of flying steel.

Break

Seconds after the explosion on that Sunday afternoon, Katie was was killed instantly by a steel fragment sent flying from 430 metres across the lake. It was thought to be travelling at 140km/h.

What detonations cutting structural members looks like. No confusion or doubts they might be there.

Canberra Hospital Implosion 1997

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There were about 48 core columns alone in the twin towers that were supposedly cut without the ejection of material to initiate collapse. While the building was bowing inward. With no evidence of a pressure wave cutting steel?

the-pre-collapse-inward-bowing-of-wtc2.t4760/

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For WTC 7, you can see evidence of internal progressive collapse through WTC 7’s windows, but no evidence of explosives with the force to cut steel columns

It’s sad to see you unable to grasp there is zero evidence of explosions with the power to cut steel columns with no possibly that planted explosives could survive the jet impacts and fires. Especially in the context of the towers where the collapse of the towers started in areas of the jet impacts.

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a reply to: democracydemo

Please link or post to “visual (light) of the collapse”. What does that even mean? Items falling and visible in the building windows?

a reply to: neutronflux
Photons dear neutron, and the speed of em.

start again @ 14:40 marker

a reply to: democracydemo

Video that kills your own theory. Sad.

One

Bell J-2A helicopter at 100 ft (100 dB).

Which is eight times as loud as 70 dB.
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Structural Steel cutting charges are at least 130 dB. 120 dB is 32 times louder than 70 dB.

Cutting charges would be clearly heard over the sound of the helicopter in the video.

Two. There was no flashing indicative of steel cutting charges setting off. Especially in the context of supposedly removing the resistance floor by floor.

Below is what a prepared building for implosion looks like. Notice actual flashes from charges setting off.

coolest building implosion

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Let’s recap. Your tantrum of trying to create proof of charges cutting structural steel out of thin air is pitiful.

The twin towers did not fall through the path of greatest resistance. The vertical columns were the last things to topple, after the complete collapse of the floor system.

There is zero evidence of CD

You have not presented any evidence of flashing from the detonation of planted pyrotechnics.

You own video betrayed you. There is no 130 dB blasts indicative of charges with the force to cut structural steel that should have been easily heard above the sound of the helicopter.

The collapse initiation of WTC 2 shows inward bowing and buckling. There is no evidence of a shockwave with the force to cut steel while the tower walls are being drawn inward. No ejection of material being hurled out of the building at 140km/h. Especially for a building not setup to capture shrapnel like a normal implosion. With no effort to remove pieces of the structure to minimize the ejection of material.

www.metabunk.org...

the-pre-collapse-inward-bowing-of-wtc2.t4760/

Your booms are in line with ac units exploding in sound and magnitude. Or other items common to large buildings.

And any planted charges would not have survived the jet impacts and fires to initiate collapse in the areas of jet impacts.

Your arguments are sad, let it go. Or do you want to keep using “evidence” that contradicts and betrays your narrative.

a reply to: democracydemo

More on tower flashing of light.

explained-flashes-of-light-during-the-world-trade-center-collapse.t10224/

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a reply to: neutronflux

Bell J-2A helicopter at 100 ft (100 dB). Which is eight times as loud as 70 dB.

Yes at 100ft
Mr. Huibregtse was not at 100ft. He was at 292 Greenwich Street.

originally posted by: democracydemo
a reply to: neutronflux

Bell J-2A helicopter at 100 ft (100 dB). Which is eight times as loud as 70 dB.

Yes at 100ft
Mr. Huibregtse was not at 100ft. He was at 292 Greenwich Street.

What does that have to do with the helicopter was not stationary, was flying around the towers, detonations of explosives with the power to cut steel would be on a whole magnitude of loudness greater than the helicopter, and you still have zero evidence of detonations with the force to cut steel columns, and with no explanation how the CD systems survived jet impacts and fires.

If you were able to get Intel back to, let's a say 1998 when Cheney is still president, and nobody had heard of 911, how would you prevent 911?

a reply to: neutronflux

What is the dB of these booms at that distance (292 Greenwich Street)? Does ATS community have an "audioperson" for this task?

You heard these sequential booms, but refuse to admit to CD by "ac units" exploding.

originally posted by: democracydemo
a reply to: neutronflux

What is the dB of these booms at that distance (292 Greenwich Street)? Does ATS community have an "audioperson" for this task?

You heard these sequential booms, but refuse to admit to CD by "ac units" exploding.

Because there is no evidence of audio of detentions indicative of a pressure wave with the force to cut steel columns.

Using your logic, I guess you think any “explosion” can cut a steel column?

Not any “explosion” can sever structural steel columns. Is that false.

An explosion that would generate enough force that would horizontally cut a main vertical WTC 7 column would create a pressure wave that would generate a detention with a sound of 130 dB or greater. Is that false.

A detention that would have echoed about Manhattan. Is that false.

An event that very likely would have generated a measurable atmosphere pressure change.

I am not saying there were no “explosions”. There was no detentions with the force to cut steel columns. Do you have evidence otherwise?

Detentions that generated sound waves 130 DB or greater.
People injured with splintered steel columns?
Property, windows, cars, or buildings damaged by splintered steel?
Evidence of shrapnel being ejected at 140km/hr out over hundreds of meters?
A recorded of an atmospheric disturbance that shows a pressurewave with the force to cut structural steel columns was generated?
And there is no seismic evidence of detonations with the force to cut steel columns.

Apparentley it took two planes to do what demolition experts could not easily achive. Drop 2 huge towers and tower 7 near perfectly into their own footprints.

originally posted by: 11SK1180
Apparentley it took two planes to do what demolition experts could not easily achive. Drop 2 huge towers and tower 7 near perfectly into their own footprints.

Then how did WTC 7 get a 20 story gash In its side from the collapse of the twin towers?

The collapse of the twin towers destroyed WTC 6.

At least 8 other buildings than the twin towers were damaged byond economical repair or destroyed from the collapse of the twin towers.

Along with the 110-floor Twin Towers, numerous other buildings at the World Trade Center site were destroyed or badly damaged, including WTC buildings 3 through 7 and St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church.[162] The North Tower, South Tower, the Marriott Hotel (3 WTC), and 7 WTC were destroyed. The U.S. Customs House (6 World Trade Center), 4 World Trade Center, 5 World Trade Center, and both pedestrian bridges connecting buildings were severely damaged. The Deutsche Bank Building on 130 Liberty Street was partially damaged and demolished some years later, starting in 2007.[163][164] The two buildings of the World Financial Center also suffered damage.[163] The last fires at the World Trade Center site were extinguished on December 20, exactly 100 days after the attacks.[165]

The Deutsche Bank Building across Liberty Street from the World Trade Center complex was later condemned as uninhabitable because of toxic conditions inside the office tower, and was deconstructed.[166][167] The Borough of Manhattan Community College's Fiterman Hall at 30 West Broadway was condemned due to extensive damage in the attacks, and was reopened in 2012.[168] Other neighboring buildings (including 90 West Street and the Verizon Building) suffered major damage but have been restored.[169] World Financial Center buildings, One Liberty Plaza, the Millenium Hilton, and 90 Church Street had moderate damage and have since been restored.[170] Communications equipment on top of the North Tower was also destroyed, with only WCBS-TV maintaining a backup transmitter on the Empire State Building, but media stations were quickly able to reroute the signals and resume their broadcasts.[162][171]

The PATH train system's World Trade Center station was located under the complex. As a result, the entire station was demolished completely when the towers collapsed, and the tunnels leading to Exchange Place station in Jersey City, New Jersey were flooded with water.[172] The station was rebuilt as the $4 billion World Trade Center Transportation Hub, which reopened in March 2015.[173][174] The WTC Cortlandt Street station on the New York City Subway's IRT Broadway-Seventh Avenue Line was also within close proximity to the World Trade Center complex, and the entire station, along with the surrounding track, was reduced to rubble.[175] The latter station was rebuilt and reopened to the public on September 8, 2018.[176]

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