Calling spades, spades - time to use the word Communist again

We all have seen the steady march by the left towards "socialism", with many of the candidates openly espousing the ideology, telling us how great other countries are that have socialism or at least socialistic institutions. What they do shy away from is the word communism, which is what most of these people really support if they aren't full blown communists themselves hiding in democrat/socialist persona's.

So, why don't we start calling these people what they are. Communists. We need to study McCarthyism and learn what that was all about (for those who don't know, it was the Communist "scare" of the 1950's, which the media proclaimed a witch-hunt and really terribly attacked Joseph, much like what they do with Trump today). I think we can see that he was right and that these communist were so deeply entrenched that by the mid 60's they had made themselves at home throughout all of academia, which is the reason for the revolt against the Vietnam war and ESPECIALLY the reason for the decline in our education system since the 1960's.

These people aren't "Progressives" or even secret "Socialists". They are Communists and they need to be called out as such at every opportunity and make public record of this in the media. Their actions back this up, their histories prove this. They will deny this as they did in the 50's, 60's and 70's but we now have the power to check their past and find out what they really stand for and what they think.

We can't be so passive and afraid of painting too broadly. Now this isn't to say we can call all Democrats Communists, that would be very divisive, b/c there are many moderate democrats that have more in common with the right than they do with the communistic left. I think many of them will see this and understand.

how many union shops and companies with unions have lost ALL of their jobs due to the unions making unrealistic demands (extorting the companies) all while they have FAT union pay, many not even working at the shops, just doing union admin work. Many people's eyes have been opened over the last 20 years to the dangers of these people.

There are also MANY central and south Americans who have NO love for communists nor socialists, and pointing this out will help them see through the BS that spews out of much of the left's mouths/

a reply to: DigginFoTroof

Communist ideology is gaining traction in the UK. It's low scale but are these people so ignorant of history?

It's worrying.

a reply to: DigginFoTroof

Well, slippery slope here. Today I got called a communist because I said that there is enough food on earth so no one has to starve.

But somehow that acknowledgement makes me a communist. So be careful with the labeling.

a reply to: DigginFoTroof

OK, so what's your solution to steer people away from communism?

I live in Canada, and get called a communist all the time because we have progressive socialist programs set in place.
Thing is, communism isn't the same as socialism, one is a form of government, which would never happen in the states, and one is simply a myriad of political and economic ideas, that generally co-exists comfortably with a capitalist market.

But it seems you are anti - socialism as well, taking down about unions and what not. Workers rights are a huge deal, take them away, take away unions, and it will lead markets like China.

a reply to: verschickter

I think this is reactionary labeling.

“Well if the left calls us names like fascist, Nazi and racist, then we will call them
Names too! Yeah!! That’ll make it better!! COUNTERPUNCHING RULES!!!”

And I do understand not wanting to be called those things if you aren’t. Kind of like Obama supporters didn’t like being called fascist commies for wanting healthcare for their kids.

At some point the strings of the puppeteers will be seen, making us all dance to their merry divisions while they walk off with all our money and bet on the fights.

originally posted by: verschickter
a reply to: DigginFoTroof

Well, slippery slope here. Today I got called a communist because I said that there is enough food on earth so no one has to starve.

But somehow that acknowledgement makes me a communist. So be careful with the labeling.

There is probably plenty of food on earth. What civilisation lacks is a corruptions free, effective, and efficient distribution system to get the food to the needed location before it spoils. A large amount of produce never makes it to market.

Most countries have very few paved highways as compared to the US. Texas has more paved roads than Russia.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: DigginFoTroof

OK, so what's your solution to steer people away from communism?

I live in Canada, and get called a communist all the time because we have progressive socialist programs set in place.
Thing is, communism isn't the same as socialism, one is a form of government, which would never happen in the states, and one is simply a myriad of political and economic ideas, that generally co-exists comfortably with a capitalist market.

But it seems you are anti - socialism as well, taking down about unions and what not. Workers rights are a huge deal, take them away, take away unions, and it will lead markets like China.

There is no reason to differentiate the two.

Simply because communism and socialism are different paths to the same place.

A tyrannical form of government with an all-powerful reach into people's lives.

I wish people could just look at history and understand that.

a reply to: Nickn3
You don´t say...

your just now coming to realize these people are actually communists?

I had this figurered out back in 1989. I was 12 or 13 years old.

OH well, better late than never. Yes the DNC are communists. Lots of the RNC are as well. They will claim otherwise but ........get ready for a red pill moment.......communist politicians all lie, cheat, and steal. Decievers and Dementors are probably the simplist way to sum these people up. They will deceive and trick you into giving up your will, independance, and every last drop of human spirit you have. Then they will discard you once you are used up and they will move on to the next poor soul. Thats why we have all these imigrants.... they have run out of ignorant and weak native born people to infect so they import massive amounts of low IQ, low spiritual vessels to feed on.

What you see with all these communists running around acting like fools are just empty vessels that are so far gone they cannot exhist on their own without the crumbs supplied,to them by their overlords. Be it welfare, drugs, entitlement checks etc. etc. they literally cannot survive on their own. They have sold themselves over to the dark side of humanity for quick fixes turning them into a massive group of brain damaged junkies.

easiest way to explain it......best to think of socialism as a sales pitch for communism.

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: DigginFoTroof

OK, so what's your solution to steer people away from communism?

I live in Canada, and get called a communist all the time because we have progressive socialist programs set in place.
Thing is, communism isn't the same as socialism, one is a form of government, which would never happen in the states, and one is simply a myriad of political and economic ideas, that generally co-exists comfortably with a capitalist market.

But it seems you are anti - socialism as well, taking down about unions and what not. Workers rights are a huge deal, take them away, take away unions, and it will lead markets like China.

There is no reason to differentiate the two.

Simply because communism and socialism are different paths to the same place.

A tyrannical form of government with an all-powerful reach into people's lives.

I wish people could just look at history and understand that.

Ah, see, that’s the thing that gets me.

The second folks talk about Anything like “maybe if we use our vast numbers to pool resources on this one thing where it makes sense to do that,and make life better” the Right makes a panicked leap to the Communist Apocalypse.

What the heck is the Military then? A “free enterprise” Mercenary group? (I bet Erik Prince wishes it was...)

Collective Security is at the heart of the right’s Nationalist leanings.

All it takes is an understanding that Collective Security can co-exist with Capitalism, and then maybe we can talk, but until then the reactionary stance of “Communism!” gets thrown around without a rational basis for it.

The US is not going to become a Communist country. Period.

Living in the Pacific Northwest you can imagine that I've had my share of encounters with people that label themselves as "progressives" or "democrat socialist" -- including several of my friends and family members.

Every single time I've sat down with one to have a long discussion they start off saying things like how they actually still support capitalism, but socialism is needed now to save capitalism. You know, the typical Bernie Bunch script. However, after they get a few drinks in them it always ends up getting to a point where they start openly admitting that they favor communism and that I'm just an idiot that was brainwashed by Ronald Reagan to believe the myth that communism is a dangerous ideology. I'm not exaggerating either. This is how my every Christmas, Thanksgiving and 4th of July go these days.

Another thing they love to do in conversation is claim historical figures as proud communists like Jesus, Abraham Lincoln, among others.

originally posted by: AboveBoard

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: DigginFoTroof

OK, so what's your solution to steer people away from communism?

I live in Canada, and get called a communist all the time because we have progressive socialist programs set in place.
Thing is, communism isn't the same as socialism, one is a form of government, which would never happen in the states, and one is simply a myriad of political and economic ideas, that generally co-exists comfortably with a capitalist market.

But it seems you are anti - socialism as well, taking down about unions and what not. Workers rights are a huge deal, take them away, take away unions, and it will lead markets like China.

There is no reason to differentiate the two.

Simply because communism and socialism are different paths to the same place.

A tyrannical form of government with an all-powerful reach into people's lives.

I wish people could just look at history and understand that.

Ah, see, that’s the thing that gets me.

The second folks talk about Anything like “maybe if we use our vast numbers to pool resources on this one thing where it makes sense to do that,and make life better” the Right makes a panicked leap to the Communist Apocalypse.

What the heck is the Military then? A “free enterprise” Mercenary group? (I bet Erik Prince wishes it was...)

Collective Security is at the heart of the right’s Nationalist leanings.

All it takes is an understanding that Collective Security can co-exist with Capitalism, and then maybe we can talk, but until then the reactionary stance of “Communism!” gets thrown around without a rational basis for it.

The US is not going to become a Communist country. Period.

If you take an honest look at it you will find we already are. Its just structured to look like it isnt because there is not a single person as a dictator. The government as a whole, the system, is the dictator. The individuals come and go giving the appearance that the populace gets a choice in how things run.

Or you can just put your fingers in you ears and say its not true. Meanwhile take an honest look at your rights.... your privacy....your freedom of speech etc. etc. You will find that those rights are gone.

also... communist is just there political ideology. The real fun is getting into there spiritual side. What is there religion? If you study that enough you get a real insight into why they are the way they are.

a reply to: Lumenari

Your comment from a political and social standpoint makes absolutely no sense.

Not just communism and socialist platforms are the ones digging into peoples lives, or controlling them. You are using a very, no massive broad paint brush here.

It's all just regional cultural marxism.

😃

a reply to: AboveBoard

~sigh~

What is the difference between Socialism and Communism?

Socialism and communism are alike in that both are systems of production for use based on public ownership of the means of production and centralized planning. Socialism grows directly out of capitalism; it is the first form of the new society. Communism is a further development or higher stage of socialism.

No need to talk to you about it... I already knows where it goes.

Read a lot about it in fact... from Plato to France to the now.

Interesting side note... in Plato's version of communism, wives and children were community property too...

But no.. simply changing the actual meanings of the words around to somehow make it more palatable to modern society doesn't actually change how it ends.

Again, see History.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Lumenari

Your comment from a political and social standpoint makes absolutely no sense.

Not just communism and socialist platforms are the ones digging into peoples lives, or controlling them. You are using a very, no massive broad paint brush here.

It makes no sense to you.

I understand why you don't understand.

a reply to: DigginFoTroof

Why mince words?

I agree.