BREAKING NEWS: Police respond to reports of an active shooter at North Carolina High School

a reply to: Masterjaden

That's only treating the symptom. Not that I totally disagree, but it's, at best, a stopgap measure.

There's a problem out there, that much is more than plainly obvious. That's what need to be addressed, assuming it can be.

a reply to: seagull

Oh and I forgot we should categorize people by ethnic background and party they are registered with to make sure we get all the white conservatives that are more likely to become domestic terrorists.

originally posted by: odzeandennz

originally posted by: BlackJackal
Sad state of affairs, it has been 2, no 0 days since our last mass shooting.

Yup.
And it's the same old arguments in every thread with every shooting .

It's like if a car has faulty breaks, and everyone is trying figure out why it's hard to stop.. Reduce the speed limits, limit the cars top speed, better roads... Or change the breaks.

I don't know in what other facet in life where a person has a problem that keeps recurring and the solution is to not address the problem

What kind of breaks, lunch breaks? Smoke breaks? Midday breaks?

So what should be changed to stop a crazed lunatic from shooting up a school? They'll never take the guns away.

a reply to: Irishhaf

Yep, that, too.

After all, it's those folks who are most likely to have guns...gun = bad. Therefore, gunowners = terrorists. That's the logic being used, isn't it?

a reply to: djz3ro


I agree and disagree, do you want people not in the health profession to have access to your medical records?

then you have the question, what constitutes a problem condition?

The VA is on record as having gone after multiple veteran owned firearms.

in at least one case a vet was injured in a combat zone, was not given a ptsd diagnosis but he did say he doesn't balance the check book he lets his wife do all the finances and that was enough for the Doctor to decide he needed to have his guns confiscated.


Congress would have to right the law in an iron clad no interpretation needed type of way, and there would have to be solid safe guards written into it to protect people, and quite honestly I don't think congress is capable of that no matter which party is in charge.

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: seagull

Oh and I forgot we should categorize people by ethnic background and party they are registered with to make sure we get all the white conservatives that are more likely to become domestic terrorists.

Guilty.

I became a domestic terrorist the moment I supporter Trump. Being a middle class taxpayer with no criminal record didn't help me out.

I have a solution. It is a multi-part solution that takes a holistic approach to the issue:

1. Turn off the broken water heater.
2. Fire the facilities person that didn't fix it in the first place.
3. Train staff to recognize what gunfire ACTUALLY sounds like so they don't panic when they hear any sounds out of the ordinary.
4. Wait until details of an event come out that there was indeed a shooter before overreacting and calling for gun bans and other infringement of Constitutional rights.
5. Force the media to blast this story that it was a broken water heater as much as they do when there is an active real shooter someplace.
6. Force the media to run stories showing that people are saved from harm by a citizen with a firearm. Yes, it does happen more than most know, and they don't because the media has a narrative to portray shootings as a daily occurrence all over the country.
7. Get rid of the "zero tolerance" mindset with our youth. Treat each issue they have as independent issues and accept there is no blanket solution that fits all situations and all people.
8. Train children on what a firearm is and what it can do, remove the specter of "coolness" from the taboo nature. Instill in them a sense of responsibility of their own actions. Let them know it is OK to fail as along as you learn from your mistakes. And, that permanent solutions to temporary teen problems are not the answer (especially true in the cases of bullying being ignored and even promoted in many cases).


Will it be easy? Heck no boy!

But then no good solution is ever easy.

Life does not have an "Easy Button".

originally posted by: seagull
Those drug ads scare the crap out of me sometimes with the list of "possible" side effects--many are as bad, if not worse, than the problem they're supposedly treating...

No kidding, I'm thinking if I get high blood pressure I might as well stroke out since I dont want to have suicidal ideations so I can eat more butter.

Thank God it was only a water heater

If that water heater was built in Mexico then have a replacement brought up from Mexico by the caravan. Get something positive from that caravan.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: network dude
It's all about the puppies. Always was.

I've come to the conclusion that all of my issues are due to someone else's influence over me.

I was just at the Cincinnati Zoo and my wife was incredulously asking, 'Why you trying to bash that gorilla over the head with an oversize mallet' and I'm all like, 'Video games, woman, video games'.

You are finally ready for the next level of your teachings.

The part where they do INDEED tell you that you are a program.

Revelatory i know!

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: LSU2018
Because the other countries aren't ninnies.

I think we need to look at why other countries aren't loading up their citizens with psychotropic drugs.

For anyone who's travelled outside the country and watched TV while away you wont be seeing drug ads by the boatload telling you to take a pill and feel better while also experiencing nausea, vomitting, anal leakage, suicidal ideation, menopause, lessions, dizziness, irregular heartbeat and homicidal tendencies.

Why would ads have any effect on the populace...and who would believe those drug companies about side effects.

No...the 5 minute long ads with beautiful music that come on to break up the monotony of Entertainment are just there to make us all know that someone cares.

originally posted by: Spacespider
I just wonder how people can deny the fact its so easy to get hands on a guns.. and so many americans own guns.
That leaves room for more people that do not know how to store guns and ammo, and kids figure out fast how to get their hands on those to.

Reduce the number of gun owners would help.. perhaps more education is needed with test one need to pass.. a harder one.
And then have to past a new test every half year. and allow inspectors to come unannounced to check up on gun owners house to see if its store correctly.

Either just ban guns from the public like the rest of the world

Yeah and while their at it, they can go around and check everyone's computer that uses it to post online because you know your right to free speech doesn't really matter. You would be ok with this yes? I mean computers are the primary vector for illegal child porn, illegal p2p movie downloads. But that sounds totally above board to you right? Just because you don't choose to exercise a right like the 2nd, doesn't give you the right to walk all over it. What if the 2nd was used to stifle your 1st. Think about that, who is more dangerous to this country, those that exercise their rights, or those that seek to limit the rights of others because they don't agree with them.

Lets not open that door.

It's a mental disorder and more of your money/government money (????) should go to wherever it needs to go to nip this in the bud. Get going, start a petition, a protest...start something America. It appears to me that guns are so readily available and these disturbed people have no problem getting their hands on whatever they want to take as many people out with them as they can.

My condolences and sympathies are great, but obviously you cannot feel that through your screen.

I read these threads with an all too common frequency.

I'm not an anti-US bigot who takes great delight in knocking the USA and its people at every opportunity and I readily acknowledge that the world would be a worse place without the role the US has taken upon itself.
I have no agenda - secret or open - and can only call things as I see them.

Neither am I naïve to think that UK style gun control laws would improve the situation in the US.

But to be honest, at times I honestly think that Americans believe that upholding the reverence and sanctity they have for their Constitution is far more important than the lives of the thousands of innocent people who die each year in gun related incidents.

With all due respect - and believe it or not I do respect the USA - you need to start accepting that you have a MASSIVE problem and need to start working together to address the issues and reduce the number of the pointless killings.

Before anyone says anything, I know we have our own problems here in the UK and I know we need to start dealing with them as a matter of urgency....but many Americans don't believe you even have a problem and most of those who do are more concerned with scoring cheap and meaningless political points rather than sitting down and coming up with lasting solutions to your problems.

Really...Nothing to see here, folks!

Move along!

ETA - Just a water heater with OWFS (Old Water heater Failure Syndrome). those dang water heaters!!

a reply to: Freeborn

I do know you are not attack us but making a simple observation.


But the problem is a huge multi level problem, trying to remove 1 piece of the puzzle without addressing the rest will not fix the problem.

Plus that particular genie left the bottle long before I was born, there are so many guns, and so much knowledge on how to make guns out there you could ban all privately owned guns tomorrow and shootings will still happen, kids pushed to the breaking point would still kill etc, without starting to fix the problem at the base level it would be a band aid on a sucking chest wound.

I do not agree with dismantling the constitution so people can feel they did something, and that's why a lot of americans still fight hard to defend it.

An racist oligarchy that was born from violence, that survives only by violence, with it´s violence glorifying Hollywood movies(all problems are solved by violence and firearms, always), with a people dividing one party system, with a huge gap between ultrarich and the rest of the population, with huge drug problems, with firearms available everywhere and for everbody wonders about it´s violent and trigger-happy citizens?

Really?

a reply to: DerBeobachter

It has nothing to do with movies or video games. Its a multi faceted problem that gets lumped together and everybody blames gun availability.

#1 the inner city and drug gangs will always have weapons, this problem is there because in certain areas the only way to escape is sports or music. Shootings there are not going to end with gun bans.

#2 after sending so many off to war since 1991 and all its horrors, there has been an uptick on mental problems PTSD so many of these shooters are current or previous military. Gun ban will probably not effect them, they probably have weapons on hand and if they are already experiencing mental issues would be reticent in turning them over. Got to be better at identifying these men and women we send off to battle and get them effective long term care not just a bottle of meds a phone number and tally ho.

#3 Home grown mental illness in adults probably the most difficult to identify and find a solution. Literally people are crazy or at least borderline crazy that pushed the wrong way they can erupt. The people closest to them that could identify problems early enough usually get pushed away or dont want to rock the boat till its too late. Got to be a way to look at priors and see if this person should have a firearm. Even this potential shooter probably already has their guns and again wouldnt give them up easily.

#4 Mentally disturbed children and teenagers most of these get there guns obviously from their parents or other family members. If you have guns and you have kids, they must be locked up in a secure place. If its found that they weren't securely locked away some kind of punishment. More importantly help families identify potential problem kids and have resources counseling etc. When you do identify a trouble child or teen, quit drugging the hell out of them, lot of these drugs side effects trigger suicidal thoughts and rage. If we were really serious about stopping these shooting this is the high probability area we need to address.

originally posted by: Stupidsecrets
The gun violence in inner cities is far far worse. The shootings at schools and events are not even a close second but I will ignore that problem entirely and propose a solution for the latter.

Mental illness, PTSD, felons. No guns period. Once diagnosed or convicted of serious crime no guns. I'm retired military and that is the first order of business to address. We don't allow military pilots to fly without 20/20 vision and we have mandatory retirement ages for airline pilots for very specific reasons so why are we allowing people to "fly" so to speak. It's extremely irresponsible as a society and the results of it are starring us in the face.

Whenever this is brought up though the outrage goes through the roof. Drug companies don't want it just like they don't like having to explain all the side effect of their products like the Micro Machine spokesman at the end of the drug commercial.

Because mental illness is absolutely subjective. There is no way to "prove" someone is mentally ill. You can get a head shrinkers opinion, but that's all it is, and is often times incorrect. Felons already don't have the right to legally carry.

Mental health is not like 20/20 vision, where you can just give a guy a test and it's empirical.