Major Math Error Puts Widely-Cited Global Warming Study On Ice

The more digging done by independent researchers the more errors are found ? The more years that pass us by and the climate model predictions are viewed in hindsight the more they are shown to not reflect reality. Just another case of when the alarmist are double checked, their findings/theories are based on bad math..

Unfortunately for the Princeton-Scripps team, it appears that their report has been proven inaccurate.

Independent scientist Nic Lewis found the study had “apparently serious (but surely inadvertent) errors in the underlying calculations.” Lewis’ findings were quickly corroborated by another researcher. -Daily Caller

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a reply to: 727Sky

You can't make a prediction from a 25 year sample on an ocean that could have 30 to 50 year oscillations like the PDO.

www.whoi.edu...

You would have to compare it with other previous oscillation cycles.

All the globalist lies are falling apart. They're either gonna have to shut the internet down or brainwash the next generation through propagandized academia...oh...wait a minute...

a reply to: 727Sky

We have known this since the hockey stick graph.
But certain members of our population refuse to use critical thinking skills.

It's all a game to make money based on fears. . .
We will see where public opinion goes in the next 10 years.

a reply to: randomtangentsrme

It's all a game to make money based on fears. . .

And what group is well known for that ?
Hint : abbreviated as 2 letters.
Answer that and you have root cause of the lies.

a reply to: 727Sky

So.. what does this mean? Global Warming isn't happening?

originally posted by: randomtangentsrme
a reply to: 727Sky

We have known this since the hockey stick graph.
But certain members of our population refuse to use critical thinking skills.

It's all a game to make money based on fears. . .
We will see where public opinion goes in the next 10 years.

There is still the heat island and rain shadow effect of large cities. They create their own micro-climates in the same way as Lake Victoria in Africa, and the Bay Area region. A large concrete and tarmac city becomes the equivalent of a patch of desert. Adding trees, green space and lakes to act as cooling ponds can reduce this problem.

a reply to: 727Sky

Well speaking from experience here in Scotland winters are more mild more rain than snow, had a wasp fly into the hose last week would not normally see them after September same with flies and other insects.

Temperature last night was warmer than we would get daytime in November plenty of other evidence things are heating up.

a reply to: wmd_2008

Your local weather is anecdotal and not relevant as evidence for or against climate change.

originally posted by: noonebutme
a reply to: 727Sky

So.. what does this mean? Global Warming isn't happening?

I think it has more to do with the doom and gloom predictions, being exaggerated.

originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: randomtangentsrme

It's all a game to make money based on fears. . .

And what group is well known for that ?
Hint : abbreviated as 2 letters.
Answer that and you have root cause of the lies.

Been thinking of a group with 2 letters for their abbreviation and can't think of it, other than the CDC, which has 2 letters, one used twice. what r u talking about?

originally posted by: wmd_2008
a reply to: 727Sky

Well speaking from experience here in Scotland winters are more mild more rain than snow, had a wasp fly into the hose last week would not normally see them after September same with flies and other insects.

Temperature last night was warmer than we would get daytime in November plenty of other evidence things are heating up.

Cold winters in Scotland were caused by the soot and pollution from East European factories. The dust and haze would have a mild cooling effect on the atmosphere, but in Winter the effect would be stronger due to the low angle of the Sun. Those dust particles would let water molecules condense around them and form snowflakes.

however contradictory to WMD I feel the last two winters have actually gotten colder and we have seen more snowfall in the last two years than we have in the last 5

I heard from a taxi driver , that her husband was a ice core specialist and he was in the antarctic taking core samples and said this is another 500 year cycle of cooling and warming .

Of course I cant confirm that ! just adding to the story !

I still think regardless of global warming , reality or a way for governments to collect more taxes , either way , we are #ing up the planet and it needs to stop!

originally posted by: DigginFoTroof

originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: randomtangentsrme

It's all a game to make money based on fears. . .

And what group is well known for that ?
Hint : abbreviated as 2 letters.
Answer that and you have root cause of the lies.

Been thinking of a group with 2 letters for their abbreviation and can't think of it, other than the CDC, which has 2 letters, one used twice. what r u talking about?

Try UN!

Resplandy and her colleagues estimated ocean heat by measuring the volume of carbon dioxide and oxygen in the atmosphere.

What? How do they analyze the oceans by measuring the air quantities? Does this make any sense to anyone here?

originally posted by: DigginFoTroof

originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: randomtangentsrme

It's all a game to make money based on fears. . .

And what group is well known for that ?
Hint : abbreviated as 2 letters.
Answer that and you have root cause of the lies.

Dang , keep goin....


Been thinking of a group with 2 letters for their abbreviation and can't think of it, other than the CDC, which has 2 letters, one used twice. what r u talking about?

a reply to: 727Sky

Other scientists seems to have the right answers to this question within the source linked below.


www.livescience.com...

Given the weight of the evidence, scientists have come to a consensus that climate change is happening, and that human greenhouse gas emissions are the primary cause.

So where are the real scientific debates? There are still a lot of questions left about how fast climate change will happen and what the precise effects will be. "What I would say is most uncertain is simply how quickly things are chaning," Moore Powell said. "I'm very interested in the pace."

One of the major unknowns is the ultimate influence of clouds on climate: Clouds are white, so they reflect sunlight back toward space, which could have a cooling effect. But clouds are also water vapor, which traps heat. And different types of clouds might have warming or cooling effects, so the precise role of clouds in the feedback loop of global warming remains difficult to untangle, scientists have said.

Another burning question is how high, and how quickly, the sea level will rise as warming sea waters expand and Antarctic and Arctic ice melts. The IPCC forecasted a rise of 20 to 38 inches (52 to 98 cm), assuming no efforts are made to curb greenhouse gas emissions.

So, even though we feel our Winters are getting colder it may be that the planet is still heating up. As mentioned above, the role of clouds is not yet understood, along with the El Nino effect within a warming planet.

Currently, all of the Earth's clouds together exert a net cooling effect on our planet. But the large and opposing influences of clouds on the Earth's climate begs the question: What will be the net effect of all of the Earth's clouds on climate as the Earth continues to warm in the future? Will clouds accelerate warming or help offset, or dull, warming?

Right now, "The scientific community is uncertain about how the effects of clouds will change in the future," says Hugh Morrison, a scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR) in Boulder, Colo. That's why, in 1997, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) described clouds as "the largest source of uncertainty" in predictions of climate change. To reduce this uncertainty and improve predictions of climate change/global warming, scientists are now working to better understand the relationships between clouds and climate.

Most scientists doubt that the net cooling effect of clouds will ever be large enough to completely offset ongoing warming. But many scientists say that if warming were to increase the number or kind of cooling clouds or decrease the presence of warming clouds, the current net cooling effect of clouds on the Earth's climate would probably increase, and thereby moderate, or offset, ongoing warming. If warming were to continue, the net cooling effect of clouds would increase and, in a negative feedback loop, perpetuate the moderating force on ongoing warming provided by clouds. The result: The Earth's end-of-the-century temperature may be pulled down toward the lower end of its predicted range. But, if on the other hand, warming were to increase the number or kind of warming clouds or decrease the presence of cooling clouds, scientists say the current net cooling effect of clouds on the Earth's climate would probably decrease; and an important moderating force on ongoing warming would thereby diminish. The result: The Earth's end-of-the-century temperature may be pushed up towards the upper end of its predicted range.

www.nsf.gov...

Scientists are working on it, however. One of the World Climate Research Programme’s CLIVAR (Climate and Ocean: Variability, Predictability and Change) projects is bringing together scientists from around the world to study “ENSO in a Changing Climate.”

CLIVAR says that it has not been possible to determine how ENSO will be affected by changes in coming decades because there has not been long and comprehensive enough observation of ENSO phenomena, and because the ability of computers to model the complex interplay of the many ocean and atmospheric processes involved in ENSO is limited. The project’s goal is to better understand how different physical processes influence ENSO and the variability of El Niño events over decades. This research is critical, because future El Niño events will unfold against the background of global warming. Michael Jarraud, former secretary-general of the World Meteorological Organization, warned that El Niño could be “playing out in uncharted territory.” “This naturally occurring El Niño event and human induced climate change may interact and modify each other in ways we have never before experienced,” said Jarraud.

That intense El Niño and El Niña events could be in fact one of the consequences of global warming, even though this hasn’t been proven yet as chuck pointed out. I think that in conclusion, it can be said that no matter how much the El Niño actually contributed to the sudden increase in temperature, greenhouse gas emissions still caused some if not most of it. Human-induced climate change is a huge threat and we need to reduce this emission significantly to assure our planet’s sustainability.

blogs.ei.columbia.edu...

We have to start looking at multiple potential causes for climate change and global warming for which research does offer us some evidence. Although as some people mentioned that perhaps the cyclical measurements don't go far back enough in time, nor do we know much about the Earth's rotational/tragjectory and the Sun's affects on our planet. But one thing for sure, CO2 measurements and calculations as a contributing factor to global warming (greenhouse effect) can't be ignored or brushed off.

a reply to: wmd_2008

And here I am in mid-November where it should be in the 50s, but it won't break the 30s today and we will likely have around in inch of snow on the ground this evening. Tomorrow overnight into Saturday, we could hit an all-time record low in the teens and do it again not four or five days later. We won't sniff temps close to average for this time until late next week.

*shrug*

a reply to: 727Sky
I have been researching this global warming/climate change scam for a while now, and it sickens me to the core that they have so fully indoctrinated their lies into such a docile and gullible populace. Even with the most basic scientific facts, I have extreme difficulty in swaying most people's opinion on the matter! "Its climate change, and thats that!" is what most folks think.
Face it. Climate has been changing since there has been an atmosphere on this planet! The medieval warm period is a fact (which was warmer than is is today!), as well as the mini ice age in the 1600s. The term ;climate denier' is the most ridiculous thing I ever heard - its hard to deny climate because you come face to face with it as soon as you walk out the door!
Dr. Tim Ball - climatologist, exposed Dr. Micheal Mann's 'hockey stick graph was wrong, and probably doctored by him to get his predicted results, by a court case in Vancouver Canada where Dr. Ball won his case.
It has been proven over again that CO2 is NOT the cause of global warming BUT it only increases AFTER warming. Also, the earth hasn't been warming for 20 years, but CO2 is increasing! CO2 is not a poison, we need it for life on this earth. Water vapour takes up 95% of the atmosphere. The only reason global warming alarmists are getting their results (computer models, not real life!) is because they are only using CO2 as a factor in climate. What about cloud cover,volcanos,ocean currents,planetary orbit and procession, and finally sunspots and the solar max/min., just to name a few examples!
Their models have been consistently wrong! And now, grasping at straws, they use any kind of severe weather to blame on climate change, and sadly, the public is falling for it. Poor polar bears! Their population is the bigest since the 1950s! A scientific ship set sail to the Antarctic to 'prove' the ice is melting due to global warming. Well, the ship got stuck in the ice because there was so much of it! 2 attempts were made by ice breakers to free the ship but failed because of all the ice! The scientists and embarrased journalists had to be air lifted to safety! You won't hear that on the news! I urge you to do your own research on this matter. It seems to me that its a globalist agenda to further control the populace by increasing carbon taxes, controlling your freedoms, and your lives.
Please look into the research of Dr. Tim Ball, Lord Moncton, and Dr Willie Soon. Many more links will be avaliable on You tube. The climate alarmist scientists never seem to reveal how they come to their conclusions. They claim 'intellectual
property'! Ask yourself if that seems scientific to you! Peace

a reply to: shawncgraham

Many of us have researched the evidence as well, and come up with the opposite view. As I said previously, I think a multi-disciplinary approach within the sciences is much needed.