Can we just get rid of daylight savings?

We tried it in the UK once and it causes more trouble NOT to change the clocks. But then again if the only excuse you have is your dog sh##s an hour early then you lead very sad lives.

originally posted by: crayzeed
We tried it in the UK once and it causes more trouble NOT to change the clocks. But then again if the only excuse you have is your dog sh##s an hour early then you lead very sad lives.

It really has nothing to do with the dogs so much. It really messes your entire schedule up for a quite a while, and it take a very long time to normalize out again.

originally posted by: crayzeed
We tried it in the UK once and it causes more trouble NOT to change the clocks.

That was because they went for permanent Summer Time. All for the sake of "being on the same time as Europe".
There's no reason why permanent G.M.T. should cause any trouble.

originally posted by: JAGStorm
Any kind of change is a disruption. It doesn't matter if you are gaining or losing, if you are actually changing the time.

Of course. So let's go for permanent normal time and not changing in the spring.

a reply to: JAGStorm

I f#cking hate it too.

It really screws with your body clock.

a reply to: JAGStorm
Lol, I forgot it happened the other day and my phone adjusted so I was confused when I woke up. It didn't feel right.
I support the time changes though, it is wretched going to work in the dark.

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy
I also worked in it in the early 1970s. Being a chippy working in houses with no electricity (this was before anybody had small gennies) you couldn't start work till about 10 am instead of 8.30 am. Still finished at the same time 5.00 pm.
Changing the clocks works out of your system after a week.
Think of people travelling, going to different time zones, it's exactly the same, either add time or take time off.

originally posted by: DISRAELI

originally posted by: JAGStorm
Any kind of change is a disruption. It doesn't matter if you are gaining or losing, if you are actually changing the time.

Of course. So let's go for permanent normal time and not changing in the spring.

Nope..other way...keep it as what we just had so more light in afternoon, the real depression and driving issues are caused by too early in the afternoon darkness.

a reply to: ParasuvO

Work days should be shorter in winter anyways..shorter in dead of summer.

Best times to work are spring and fall, we as humans need more time off to enjoy life.

The entire system we have now is a travesty..slavery...daylight savings was created to further that effect.

a reply to: crayzeed
Cool story man
I actually googled the time because I was so unsure the other day lol

originally posted by: crayzeed
We tried it in the UK once and it causes more trouble NOT to change the clocks. But then again if the only excuse you have is your dog sh##s an hour early then you lead very sad lives.

Not a dog lover then?

a reply to: JAGStorm

Move to Saskatchewan, we don't observe it. It's great if you just talk to people here, sucks when you call someone a province over.

At least you get to leave work one hour later and pretend you have one hour later to relax.

Daylight savings is the only savings many Americans have nowadays.

My state and surrounding has tried to vote it out, not much luck there but will try again. Maybe the best plan would be the whole of the west, following Arizona, to go along with or at least on Pacific Time.

Personally, I'm not a huge fan as it becomes dark earlier here as it is. Though, other times don't mind it much being a night person and all, just depends on what plans are happening. of course it being much colder without the daylight of course in the winter.

If they changed it to have more day light in the summer evenings to begin with WTH did they change it back in the winter when evening daylight hours are much shorter?

a reply to: JAGStorm

DST is a pain in the neck come this time of year.

But the problems associated with waking up in darkness and going home in darkness during the later months of the year, would STILL be a problem without DST, unless you happen to have one of those exploitative, under paid, highly physical jobs that require one to be up at half past four in the morning, out the door before five, in work by half past, and not return until eight at night, which is the REAL problem with winter working. Human beings are set up, with the rare exceptions of genetics and environmental quirks resulting in other circumstances, to be awake when it is light, and either winding down or asleep when it is dark. There are, these days, many people, including myself, who welcome the dark hours and are energised by their arrival, whose night sight is keener, whose ability to be awake and involved with life until the small wee hours, is notable as an exception to the general rule. But that general rule has existed since before mankind was recognisable as mankind at all.

Regardless of DST, the transition from summer to autumn, from autumn to winter, will ALWAYS feel like an absurd shock, because even without DST, you WILL wake up one day, and realise that the sun has not yet peeped above the horizon, despite it being well past the time at which it would have risen just a few weeks before. This will ALWAYS be in some way jarring, unless your perception and spatial awareness are virtually non-existent. There comes a moment in every persons life, regardless of where they live or what time system they run on, where they will say to themselves "Ah... time to get the winter clothes out of the closet and cut more firewood. The days are getting shorter." This happens regardless of whether there is DST or not.


The real issue here, is that the way we live our modern lives is unnatural and alien to our bodies, because our bodies have not had time, since our schedules ceased to be based on natural rhythms, like day and night and summer and winter, and their procession through our lives, to evolve to accept an artificial schedule. For example... In pre-industrial times, the number of hours you worked was more to do with how much daylight their was to work in, largely speaking, than anything else. When winter drew in, you simply worked less hours, because there were less hours to get work done in, less daylight to guide your toils. There were exceptions to that, guards, bakers (who have, since the techniques were first discovered, kept the most absurd hours imaginable) and so on, but other than some notable exceptions, fewer hours light meant less hours work. Most work that needed doing back in the day, required light, natural light to do it, so what had to be done at all, had to be done in daytime, with the sun up to light the way.

But things began to get messy right around the beginning of the industrial period, where effective methods for lighting a location for an entire 24 hour period, meant that more and more things were able to be done all the time, rather than stopping for night time. People began to work in shifts more often, at regular tasks, rather than just guarding things. After a while, the industrial revolution really kicked off, the invention of the electric lightbulb came about, and all of a sudden a factory owner could think of having people work later and later, or even running constantly.

This change over time may appear gradual to us, with our limited little lifespans, and our day to day struggles, but in terms of evolution, in terms of genetic alteration to better match environmental factors, there has not been time for the human bodies we live in, to adjust to a life lived according to any schedule other than that of nature. It is NOT normal to us humans, to be night workers, or to awaken before good light has started to spread across the land, and not return home from our cloistered work in unnatural architectures, until after darkness has fallen. Even if you take into account the things about the older ways of life that DID require operating at least in part on bakers hours, or late into the night, most work was done within sight of totally natural sunlight, to which a person would be exposed, even if through cloud, EVERY day, without fail. This is not the case now. We commute back and forth, adding huge amounts of time to our workload and adding dark time to our schedules which never used to be the case in the same way back in time. The work that was done by the bakers of the oldest times, was done on premises right next to their homes, they lived at their work, meaning that even they would be exposed to sunlight, even those who operated in the darkest of hours, would also get light. But now, we travel in darkness to offices and warehouses, factories and stores, spend all the daylight hours in them, and only leave when darkness has once again fallen over the land.

These are not natural circumstances for a person to live in. At no time in history has it been this way for any statistically significant chunk of the human race. As a result, our bodies rebel around this time of the year, regardless of DST, because our bodies know what many of us refuse to admit, either through ego, ideology or both, and that is that simply put, when it is dark outside we should not be working or on the way to work, but asleep in the mornings, and we should not be commuting home in darkness, but have arrived home well before sundown, even if we intend to do something external with our evenings. Our bodies require synergy with nature, with the sun up, sun down schedule, and not the artificial schedules imposed by the need to amass hours at work, in order to pay bills, and function within a dysfunctional society.

Since business will never accept the necessity for people to simply do less work but be paid enough to live on, our bodies will continue to rebel, until either the priorities inflicted on human beings by engaging with society change, or until there are simply no more humans to feel this way at this time of year.