Democracy is a stupid idea-agreed

a reply to: WeAreSound

Okay, so you're not really advocating a socialist political system, you're advocating selected, agreed upon, social programs within another form of government system. That's quite a bit different than what you characterized the first time around.

ETA - All things come with a trade-out. I'm okay with the health care proviso...IF (and ONLY if) we control immigration. Call it a "club" if you like; if you're not a member, you don't get the perks. A national healthcare system doesn't work, and can't work, if you try to make it a World-wide healthcare system which only a small subset of the World pays for. Plus, in order to make that work, you'd have to just about completely overhaul the civil legal system to stop the ambulance chasers.

a reply to: Anomaly0101

What you define it as doesn't matter. Things mean what they mean, not what you decide to use them as a placeholder for out of your own ignorance and wilful disregard for reality.

Democracy is the ONLY method by which the many can prevent themselves from being ruled by the few. It is a system of governance which has time and again proven to be superior to either straight up monarchy, or any of the methodologies which place near unlimited power, in the hands of an unaccountable few. You have to understand the following:

Any system which is designed to limit executive power, by making appointment of executives the choice of the people, as a matter of their free will choice to elect them, is democratic. Any system which relies upon an open vote, in which all who are citizens may participate without objection or obstruction, is by its definition, whether it is electing the seat of power in a Republic, or in any other form of governance, is ALSO democratic in nature.

If you have a problem with the word democracy, or democratic, its probably because you are deliberately, wilfully conflating two entirely unlike ideas together. You see, corporatism, a sickness which infects both the Republican Party and the Democrat Party of America, is an absolutely, fundamentally, the antithesis of democracy, because it undermines the power of the people, by purchasing power out from underneath them, while seeking to control the people through manipulations both subtle and unsubtle, be they policies which have negative consequences (the war on drugs, the war on terror, the constant abuse of fossil products despite ample reason to cease any single use of them, whether it be for fuel or throwaway materials), or direct manipulation through the media on both sides of the aisle, but from the same financial sources normally speaking.

The reality of the situation is that democracy is not the problem. The problem is that democracy can only operate when it is made impossible for a person to possess both power AND wealth. If you force a person to choose which they will partake of, rather than permitting, nay encouraging people to gather both unto themselves, you will not wind up with leaders who care more for themselves than they do their people, leaders who flaunt their wealth and wastefulness, while expecting those working hard for nothing, to continue to do so while engrossed in nationalistic fervour, a stupor so deep that few who ever experience it, wake from it.

Democracy done correctly, would prevent leaders from coming from the upper echelons of the financial and societal strata. It would insist for example that no one may lead a nation who is not a part of the greater whole of its people, a regular citizen in all but the quality of their thought and wisdom, wherein if the majority are working hard and hungry anyway, because money is too tight despite their toil, so is their leader, wherein if the majority are troubled by a thing and hurt by it, so is their leader, wherein the leader is actually a member of regular society, not some rarefied sub group which operates outside law because it can afford to purchase its freedom despite its criminal attitudes and behaviours.

Democracy done absolutely perfectly, would render to a people leaders who are representative of the nations population, by way of being from the regular citizenry, affected by policy the exact same way as normal folk, because they would be and remain normal folk, with small means, limited funds, and know the troubles associated therewith. They would not be clowns with private helicopters, more property than you can shake a surveying tool at, and pockets without practical limits on their internal dimensions. They would want better for the communities they came from and all communities like them, be able to view the world through the eyes of citizens just like them, by way of BEING citizens just like everyone else, not strange, rare breed kooks and executive types, whose greed is good mentality warps everything they touch.

That would be democracy. There has not been one in America, nor for that matter here in the UK, in living memory, if at all.

I like what Socrates(it not word for word) said that Democracy is alot like a ship, but everyone voted for the Baker instead of an actual sailor to be at the helm.

Everyone died except for the Baker since he didn't want to be captain anymore an just a baker.

.... triple post, microsoft sucks.

triple post, microsoft sucks. Are we not allowed to delete posts/threads? That's retarded if not

a reply to: TrueBrit

You might be a well meaning person, but over decades of interacting with british people, I've learned that your opinions on subjects like this are completely irrelevant and I didn't read any of your post, nor will I ever read any of your posts on subjects such as this one. British are automatically biased and the democrats want to turn us into Britain, take away the right to keep and bear arms, give an illusion of democracy, make us even more politically correct and cucked out than we are, and it isn't going to happen. Ever.

The electoral college isn't going anywhere. Democracy is a stupid, stupid retarded #ty idea. It has never worked and never will. We are a constitutional republic and the day that changes, world war 3 is imminent. Although, since politiicans like Bush, Obama, Trump, etc, keep #ting all over the constitution, pretending we have a two party system when it's really just globalists versus everyone else, we're getting there sooner than later. And I will not hesitate to shoot globalists/leftys when that day comes.

the Vril-ya viewed democracy as “one of the crude and ignorant experiments which belong to the infancy of political science”

TThe Origin of Vril and “The Coming Race” by Edward Bulwer-Lytton

a reply to: Anomaly0101

If you shoot lefties, actual street level lefties, you are doing the globalists work for them. The left believe in community and co-operation to make villages, towns and cities more pleasant places for the resident to live, by coming together to solve problems affecting those communities, using their numbers to overwhelm and repel the things that threaten residents lives and peace, including market forces and the corporate giants that stand on the necks of the regular people. Real left wing politics is ONLY about defending the streets from the financial powers that assail the people living at that level.

Its about ensuring that the minimum standard of living experienced by everyone in a society, is of a high standard. Its about gripping the drivers of poverty around the throat, and strangling them until everyone who lives at all, does so able to feed and clothe themselves, and keep a roof over their head without becoming suicidal over the bills. Globalism is about control being placed in the hands of the few, and democracy and left wing ideals, are about distributing power amongst the people of a nation, getting closer and closer to the point where all government does is follow the orders of the people, rather than setting agendas of its own.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

i suggest an absolute monarchy - king ape will be a benevolant tyrant

originally posted by: TrueBrit
blah blah blah

You don't have a great attention span do you? Common among leftys. Sorry, when I said I won't read any of your posts on these subjects I meant it. You might be a friggen genius at astrophysics or something, and I might read posts of yours on that subject, but when it comes to politics I'm going to ignore everything you say. You typed all that for nothing.

And you are not a true brit, you are a brainwashed modern product of modern british politics, like most of the british that remain the british isles today. Your ancestors would laugh at you for this.

Someone quotes you, I will skip over it, someone copy/pastes what you typed, I will know and skip over it. Good day.

I'm all for democracy, but not if it's this slow.

Can't the US vote faster?

The rest of us are biting our nails in anticipation.

Have some consideration and vote faster.

Some of us have to work tomorrow.

OK too much anxiety for one day, taking today off too.

Put it on my sick days.

I have acute "US election fever".

Words quoted below from book the Coming race. Chapter IX

www.marxists.org...

Though the various states acknowledged various forms of government, free institutions were beginning to preponderate; popular assemblies increased in power; republics soon became general; the democracy to which the most enlightened European politicians look forward as the extreme goal of political advancement, and which still prevailed among other subterranean races, whom they despised as barbarians, the loftier family of Ana, to which belonged the tribe I was visiting, looked back to as one of the crude and ignorant experiments which belong to the infancy of political science. It was the age of envy and hate, of fierce passions, of constant social changes more or less violent, of strife between classes, of war between state and state. This phase of society lasted, however, for some ages, and was finally brought to a close, at least among the nobler and more intellectual populations, by the gradual discovery of the latent powers stored in the all-permeating fluid which they denominate Vril.

a reply to: Anomaly0101

You're fundamentally right, of course.

I think it's mostly 'smokescreen' to get people to think they have power. However, Plato wasn't a fan of it (or was it Socrates, I always confuse the philosophers), due to the fact that general public is usually uninformed, stupid and selfish. If they get to decide what's best for everyone, it's not going to be anything good.

There should be some kind of 'Elders group' that decides this kind of things, and then people could still have a say whether they agree/accept it or not, etc.

Pure and direct democracy would never work, because soon we'd get things like 'outlaw all other music except britney spears and heavy metal' and then other groups would try to make it 'only J-pop and stupidest possible techno/trance is allowed' and so on. If people could decide, it could only be a mess.

The republic is a good idea, but the thing is, that it doesn't matter how good or bad a 'ruling system' or 'governmental structure' is, most people are idiotic sheeple, so no system can work perfectly. We just have to find some kind of 'acceptable compromise' that's good enough. I don't think we have tested and tried everything possible, but we know enough that communism, socialism (national or otherwise) do not work and should be outright banned.

Democracy is weak and would only lead to chaos, and 51% of people oppressing 49% (although it would never be like this, because there are so many nutcases divided to so many different sections, it's not possible for 51% people to unite to want the same thing, unless it's more money or something like that) is not a very good situation for any population.

I think the original, well thought-out republic with a strong constitution might be the best compromise tried so far.

However, if evil people are at the handle of power, and most people are ignorant, clueless and not vigilant at all about their rights, it won't last for long.

The stupidest thing is, almost ANY system would work, if PEOPLE were different. People in power, and the people in the population. If everyone was good, we might not even need a strictly-defined system. With good enough people, even communism would work fantastically and be wonderful. But with powerhungry megalomaniacs at positions of power, almost every system, including democracy and capitalism, will lead to oppression of the people eventually.

Maybe an asteroid hits this crappy planet some day and liberates us all..