U.S. Gov Loses Landmark Vaccination Lawsuit

originally posted by: Blaine91555
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

I don't think we were talking about the overuse of antibiotics?

The problem I'm pointing out is that vaccines are not dangerous as they are. Problems from them are so rare, they are safer than aspirin are they not? I believe that is true.

You see what happens is people use this stuff to validate dangerous behavior. Put their own children's and their own lives and health at risk.

How is not leaving it up to the consensus of qualified medical professionals not preferable?

My argument is that just like the misuse/overuse of antibiotics can render them useless when they are actually needed, the same can happen to vaccines like the Flu. Then there are the other problems, which I gave links to medical journals, stating some of the problems with vaccines.

You are also dismissing the fact that we don't know how safe and effective vaccines are because vaccine makers haven't been providing reports on safety or efficacy of their vaccines.

BTW, are you claiming that the "consensus of scientists and doctors who have found problems with vaccines" is not admissible evidence?

Then there is the fact that even Prof. Leonid Eidelman who is a chairman of the Israeli Medical Association (IMA) and was also elected to be the president of the World Medical Association late last year, has stipulated that doctors and medical staffers in general should not be forced to take flu vaccines.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: ElectricUniverse


Any information about how Prof. Leonid Eidelman feels about childhood vaccinations?

originally posted by: Phage
I know. That's what I said. Except that the reports to Congress were supposed to be from HHS.

No...what you wrote was, and i quote:

originally posted by: Phage
If the lawsuit was dismissed, what did the Government lose? Exactly?
drive.google.com...

HHS said that they could not locate any records which were responsive to the specific request. They did not say that no testing has been done.

What you tried to do was to imply that this was a dismissal of the argument made by Robert F. Kennedy Jr., which is not the case. Also you are wrong, if these reports had been given to the HSS and the respective House and Senate Committees then they should have been kept in the records.

For the past 32 years government agencies have been claiming that vaccines are safe, except that for the past 32 years there have been no records of reports of safety and efficacy on vaccines. What the government has lost is the claim that "vaccines are safe" when there is no record of safety, and efficacy having been done for the past 32 years.

originally posted by: Phage
Why would reports which were to be directed to Congress appear in Federal Court Records? Why would anyone look for them there?

I am sorry, where do you think that reports which the Federal government gets, which includes the House and Senate, should be kept? In your bank?

At the least there should have been a paper trail in the Senate and House records stating "we received x report from HSS and reviewed it," but not even a paper trail at all can be found?...

Here, let me help you a little bit.



BTW, from where did you think the above response came from?

originally posted by: Phage
Yes. What lawsuit are you talking about?

Read above.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

What you tried to do was to claim that this was a dismissal of the argument made by Robert F. Kennedy Jr., which is not the case.

I said the lawsuit was dismissed. It was. I showed you the Dismissal. The Dismissal which contains the quote which you quoted. The dismissal which was signed by Kennedy on July 6, 2018, a week before the Kennedy video you posted was posted to youtube.

Also you are wrong, if these reports had been given to the HSS and the respective House and Senate Committees then they should have been kept in the records.

The reports were not to be given to the HSS, they were to be provided by the HSS.

Within 2 years after December 22, 1987, and periodically thereafter, the Secretary shall prepare and transmit to the Committee on Energy and Commerce of the House of Representatives and the Committee on Labor and Human Resources of the Senate a report describing the actions taken pursuant to subsection (a) of this section during the preceding 2-year period.

What the government has lost is the claim that "vaccines are safe" when there is no record of safety, and efficacy having been done for the past 32 years.

What there is no record of, is that reports were furnished to Congress by HHS. That is not the same thing as "there is no record of safety, and efficacy having been done for the past 32 years. "

I am sorry, where do you think that records which the Federal government gets, which includes the House and Senate, should be kept? In your bank?

No, not my bank. In the Congressional Record would be a good place, if Congress receives them. Which apparently they didn't. The Federal Records Centers would be good. The issuing authority would also keep records, but since they apparently didn't file the reports, there wouldn't be any records of them. The Federal Court system keeps records which concern the Federal Court system. Like this lawsuit (which was dismissed) for example.

Read above.

Got it. The lawsuit which was dismissed on July 6, 2018.

originally posted by: Phage
I said the lawsuit was dismissed. It was. I showed you the Dismissal. The Dismissal which contains the quote which you quoted. The dismissal which was signed by Kennedy on July 6, 2018, a week before the Kennedy video you posted was posted to youtube.

You wrote/asked and I quote again:

originally posted by: Phage
If the lawsuit was dismissed, what did the Government lose? Exactly?
drive.google.com...

HHS said that they could not locate any records which were responsive to the specific request. They did not say that no testing has been done.

The government lost the argument/claim that "vaccines are safe" since not records, not even indexes/paper trail could be found pertaining to the House and Senate committee ever receiving any reports for the past 32 years. Reports which had to be provided by vaccine makers to the HSS, who then had to supply the respective Senate and House committees with reports describing the actions taken by the HSS pursuant to subsection (a) to the "Mandate for safer childhood vaccines." Subsections which I am providing below.



And you also left out the fact that the dismissal is for the records to be supplied since no records or even indexes/paper trail could be found. It is not a dismissal of the argument, about vaccine safety which is that no reports, or any paper trails could be found of either Senate or House committees having received these safety and efficacy reports on vaccines, made by Robert F. Kennedy before or after the video was posted.

originally posted by: Phage
The reports were not to be given to the HSS, they were to be provided by the HSS.

The HSS receives the safety and efficacy reports from the vaccine makers. The HSS then review the reports to see if the vaccine makers have taken all the steps to uphold their end of the deal, which is to provide safer childhood vaccines. Then the HSS "is supposed to" send their own reports to the respective House and Senate committees. No records, not even a paper trail could be found. The only possible reason for not even a paper trail to exist is that the safety and efficacy reports were never supplied by the vaccine makers.

What are you now trying to imply Phage? That excerpt only states that the reports had to be provided every two years since 1987. That's all it says. It is no proof that the reports were given/received by either respective Senate or House Committees... The fact that the government cannot find ANY RECORDS, not even paper trail on these records is proof no such records were ever received by either House or Senate committee...

originally posted by: Phage
What there is no record of, is that reports were furnished to Congress by HHS. That is not the same thing as "there is no record of safety, and efficacy having been done for the past 32 years. "

Yes it is when not even paper trail can be found about these reports. You obviously are completely oblivious to the fact that everything the House and Senate committee receive, as long as it is not classified, has a paper trail and should be found in the records...

originally posted by: Phage
No, not my bank. In the Congressional Record would be a good place, if Congress receives them. Which apparently they didn't. The Federal Records Centers would be good. The issuing authority would also keep records, but since they apparently didn't file the reports, there wouldn't be any records of them. The Federal Court system keeps records which concern the Federal Court system. Like this lawsuit (which was dismissed) for example.

You got me there Phage. I made a typo, instead of Federal Records Center I wrote "Federal Court Records." But of course, you are not going to admit that the dismissal is not of the argument made by Robert F. Kennedy Jr., but rather that it is a dismissal agreed upon by both parties because no records could be found, hence making this particular lawsuit moot... There are no records, or paper trail of these records so how is the government going to supply the records?...

originally posted by: Phage
Got it. The lawsuit which was dismissed on July 6, 2018.

Again, what was dismissed is the request/demand for the records, because the government could find no records, nor even a paper trail of the records, hence neither Committee of the House or Senate received these reports for 32 years...

Here, let me "try" to help you again...



You keep trying to make it something which is not...

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

The government lost the argument/claim that "vaccines are safe" since not records, not even indexes/paper trail could be found pertaining to the House and Senate committee ever receiving any reports for the past 32 years.

Yes, no reports from HHS. But tell me, was Congress directed to be given testing results or reports on the actions which HHS had taken?

Reports which had to be provided by vaccine makers to the HSS, who then had to supply the respective Senate and House committees with reports describing the actions taken by the HSS pursuant to subsection (a) to the "Mandate for safer childhood vaccines."

Can you show me where vaccine makers are required to provide test results to HHS? Isn't that what the FDA is for? Doesn't the FDA watch that stuff?

What are you now trying to imply Phage?

I'm not implying anything. I am applying the law which says HSS is supposed to provide reports to Congress. Reports about what they have done to meet their mandate. Nothing in that mandate about giving testing results to Congress. Just to report on what HSS has done. Testing and approval falls under the authority of the FDA, not HHS.

Yes it is when not even paper trail can be found about these reports. You obviously are completely oblivious to the fact that everything the House and Senate committee receive, as long as it is not classified, has a paper trail and should be found in the records..

Yes, reports about progress being made by HHS to improve child vaccine safety.

The government lost the argument/claim that "vaccines are safe" since not records, not even indexes/paper trail could be found pertaining to the House and Senate committee ever receiving any reports for the past 32 years.

Correct. But tell me, was Congress directed to be given testing results or reports on the actions which HHS (a three person committee, actually) had taken?

Reports which had to be provided by vaccine makers to the HSS, who then had to supply the respective Senate and House committees with reports describing the actions taken by the HSS pursuant to subsection (a) to the "Mandate for safer childhood vaccines."

Can you show me where vaccine makers are required to provide test results to HHS? Isn't that what the FDA is for?

What are you now trying to imply Phage?

I'm not implying anything. I am quoting the law which says HSS is supposed to provide reports to Congress. Reports about what they have done to meet their mandate:

(a) General rule
In the administration of this part and other pertinent laws under the jurisdiction of the Secretary, the Secretary shall—
(1) promote the development of childhood vaccines that result in fewer and less serious adverse reactions than those vaccines on the market on December 22, 1987, and promote the refinement of such vaccines, and
(2) make or assure improvements in, and otherwise use the authorities of the Secretary with respect to, the licensing, manufacturing, processing, testing, labeling, warning, use instructions, distribution, storage, administration, field surveillance, adverse reaction reporting, and recall of reactogenic lots or batches, of vaccines, and research on vaccines, in order to reduce the risks of adverse reactions to vaccines.

Nothing in there about giving testing results to Congress. Just to report on what HSS has been doing. Testing and approval falls under the authority of the FDA, not HHS. This is a task force consisting of three people. It is not a clearing house for the FDA.

Yes it is when not even paper trail can be found about these reports. You obviously are completely oblivious to the fact that everything the House and Senate committee receive, as long as it is not classified, has a paper trail and should be found in the records..

Yes, reports about progress being made by HHS to improve child vaccine safety, rule making and stuff, should be there. Not test results. HHS did not file those progress reports, apparently. That does not mean vaccines were not tested.

Testing and approval falls under the authority of the FDA, not HHS. Perhaps Kennedy should have sued the FDA, since apparently the committee didn't do crap. Or, didn't report on what they were doing.

You keep trying to make it something which is not...

Um. No. It is you who is doing precisely that. The Government did not lose the lawsuit. And the lack of reports from HSS does not mean that child vaccines have not been tested for the past 30 years. Do you actually believe that?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: fleabit

The fact that the FDA is the body that supposedly inspects and approves vaccines, if not true is alarming.

It is apparently true that HHS did not furnish required reports to Congress. It is not true that vaccines do not undergo safety trials, testing, and monitoring.

Really?... is that why even people who have worked for vaccine makers, such as Merck virologists Stephen A. Krahling and Joan A. Wlochowski, have testified to the opposite of what you claim Phage?

probeinternational.org...

...The cases are USA et al. v. Merck & Co., case number 2:10-cv-04374, and Chatom Primary Care PC v. Merck & Co. Inc., case number 2:12-cv-03555, in U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania.
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www.law360.com...

BTW, i found the links about the Danish(now Phage will try to argue that because I got his nationality wrong that renders my argument wrong...lol) scientist whose papers the CDC to this day uses as part of their claim that vaccines are safe was in fact not using the money to study whether vaccines were safe... There is also some other interesting info regarding this topic.

U.S. Congressman Compares Corruption in CDC's Vaccine Safety Studies to SEC's Handling of Bernie Madoff Scandal
Congressman Bill Posey Has Strong Words for Government Agency. Concludes: "I think the CDC Should Be Investigated."


AutismOne April 16, 2014 9:00 AM


WATCHUNG, N.J., April 16, 2014 /PRNewswire-iReach/ -- In an April 8 interview on AutismOne's A Conversation of Hope radio show, Congressman Bill Posey's strong resolve and demands for transparency were evident as he discussed the Center for Disease Control (CDC)'s handling of vaccine safety studies which affect "our most precious resource in our nation – our children." The 30-minute interview, conducted by vaccine industry watchdog, PhD biochemist Brian Hooker, delves into what Posey called "the incestuous relationship between the public health community and the vaccine makers and public officials."

Photo - photos.prnewswire.com...

The Florida legislator, known as "Mr. Accountabililty," did not mince words when criticizing current and past CDC officials including indicted fraudster Dr. Poul Thorsen; CDC director turned Merck Vaccine President Dr. Julie Gerberding; and the agency's current spokesperson regarding autism and vaccines, Dr. Coleen Boyle.

On Thorsen, Posey said "If you read through the emails and learned about the meetings and the financial arrangement this crook had with the CDC, it will make you absolutely sick to your stomach. This was no casual researcher way down the line. This is the CDC's key man in Denmark. He was closely tied to the CDC's top vaccine safety researchers… as long as Thorsen was cooking the books to produce the results they wanted, they didn't care whether the studies were valid or how much money was being siphoned off the top…It's like the Security and Exchange Commission and Bernie Madoff. But it's worse because we're talking about someone who basically stole money that was supposed to be used to improve the health and safety of our most vulnerable in our society – our young babies."

Dr. Hooker remarked that Thorsen had collaborated with the CDC on 36 papers, not just one paper as claimed by Dr. Boyle, and that the agency refused to investigate studies exonerating vaccines' role in causing autism following his indictment on wire fraud and money laundering. Posey described Boyle as "intentionally evasive," in his questioning of her at a Congressional hearing. "I asked her a very direct question. 'Have you done a study comparing autism rates in vaccinated vs. unvaccinated children?...' She started telling us about everything she's done …After she wasted three minutes, I cut her off and I demanded that she answer the question. And then, only then, did she admit that the federal government has never done that very simple, fundamental, basic study."
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finance.yahoo.com...

BTW, before some of you begin claiming "that man must be a liberal, or a democrat" Bill Posey is in fact a Republican. So this has nothing to do with politics at all, but has to do with the fraud that the CDC, and big pharma alongside some of their scientists have been participating in to exonerate vaccines with adjuvants, and compounds like ethyl-mercury.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse
You know I cant remember the last time I took a vaccine. I think it happened, but maybe when I was a kid or something. But definitely not the past 20 or so years. And really one of the best things that has cut down the flu or cold even when I was a kid? Was to not go to school, who knows what kind of # all those other kids had. And really its more or less environmental determined what you get then anything else.

For instance when I got the flu, it was generally when i was running around in the snow barefoot, or staying up late or not eating right, when i was a kid. And when I was a grownup, well it was when i did not get enough sleep or was working nights in rainy and freezing weather and not eating right. It is like a duh! moment.

In conclusion, vaccines do something sometimes, but they are far from the be all to end all. But only when it does not really count do they help. Take you vaccine shot and go out for a stroll or camp out in the middle of November in rain and snow, whats likely to happen? If your in the wrong environment well your going to catch all kinds of things regardless what your taking. A strong and healthy immune system is your first line of defense, and the key to that is to not do stupid # or put yourself into stupid situation, and there is little to any second line of defense beyond your body's first line of defense.

And anything you take that compromises that? Well, everybody knows the answer to that. Its either a case of does it help your immune system, or not, and well given the mass circumstances of people and biological implications and health, a placebo would work just as well, and has it seems for a while now. May as well roll the dice. But if people want to vaccinate themselves to death, hey, it just may be nature taking its course. Like the dodo we should help them go gracefully into that long twilight.

Just some food for thought.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Really?... is that why even people who have worked for vaccine makers, such as Merck virologists Stephen A. Krahling and Joan A. Wlochowski, have testified to the opposite of what you claim Phage?

The opposite of what I said would be that vaccines are not tested.

The plaintiffs are not saying the mumps vaccine was not tested. They are saying that Merck lied to the FDA about the effectiveness of the vaccine. The effectiveness, not the safety.

The case is yet to go to trial, I think. But if it is true that Merck lied, they should be punished for it.

a reply to: galadofwarthethird

In conclusion, vaccines do something sometimes, but they are far from the be all to end all. But only when it does not really count do they help.

When was the last time someone contracted smallpox?
Polio?

originally posted by: Phage

The opposite of what I said would be that vaccines are not tested.
The plaintiffs are not saying the mumps vaccine was not tested. They are saying that Merck lied to the FDA about the effectiveness of the vaccine. The effectiveness, not the safety.

The case is yet to go to trial, I think. But if it is true that Merck lied, they should be punished for it.

Except that in the case of the former virologists of Merck, Merck sends their false reports not to the HSS, but to the Food and Drug Administration. So not only do vaccine companies like Merck falsify their "efficacy and safety reports that they send to the Food and Drug Administration," but those reports supposedly submitted to the HSS show no paper trail whatsoever of HSS sending their reports to the respective House and Senate committees.

But you still think that somehow because vaccine companies like Merck give the Food and Drug administration falsified safety and efficacy reports that it makes the argument moot?... Nuff said...

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

but those reports supposedly submitted to the HSS show no paper trail whatsoever of HSS sending their reports to the respective House and Senate committees.

There does not seem to be any requirement that vaccine manufacturers submit test results to HSS. The law does not seem to say that.

(b) Task force
(1) The Secretary shall establish a task force on safer childhood vaccines which shall consist of the Director of the National Institutes of Health, the Commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, and the Director of the Centers for Disease Control.
(2) The Director of the National Institutes of Health shall serve as chairman of the task force.
(3) In consultation with the Advisory Commission on Childhood Vaccines, the task force shall prepare recommendations to the Secretary concerning implementation of the requirements of subsection (a) of this section.

www.law.cornell.edu...

But you still think that somehow because vaccine companies like Merck give the Food and Drug administration falsified safety and efficacy reports that it makes the argument moot?

Which argument?

originally posted by: Phage

There does not seem to be any requirement that vaccine manufacturers submit test results to HSS. The law does not seem to say that.

...
“TITLE XXI. —VACCINES
“Subtitle 1. —National Vaccine Program
“ESTABLISHMENT

“SEC. 2101. The Secretary shall establish in the Department of Health and Human Services a National Vaccine Program to achieve optimal prevention of human infectious diseases through immunization and to achieve optimal prevention against adverse reactions to vaccines. The Program shall be administered by a Director selected by the Secretary.
....
42 USC 300aa-3.
“REPORT

“SEC. 2104. The Director shall report to the Committee on Energy and Commerce of the House of Representatives and the Committee on Labor and Human Resources of the Senate not later than January 1, 1988, and annually thereafter on the implementation of the Program and the plan prepared under section 2103.

42 USC 300aa-4.
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www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

According to the above the HSS (which deals with childhood vaccine safety and efficacy. Other agencies like the FDA deal with vaccines aimed for adults) has to provide reports to the respective committees in the House and Senate every year, and not every 2 years.

BTW Phage why was the HSS formed, and does the HSS make the vaccines? If the HSS does not make the vaccines, how can they know whether or not Childhood vaccines are safe or have the desired efficacy? Unless the HSS uses psychics, the only way for them to make their own reports on childhood vaccines is that vaccine makers have to provide the HSS with their own "safety and efficacy reports."

originally posted by: Phage
Which argument?

Heck, what argument have you so far not tried to claim is wrong in this thread Phage?...

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Other agencies like the FDA deal with vaccines aimed for adults) has to provide reports to the respective committees in the House and Senate every year, and not every 2 years.

The lawsuit specified 300aa-27, why are you quoting an entirely different section of law?

if the HSS does not make the vaccines, how can they know whether or not Childhood vaccines are safe or have the desired efficacy?

Through the NVAC.
www.hhs.gov...

Heck, what argument have you so far not tried to claim is wrong in this thread Phage?...

Three of them:
1) The Government lost the lawsuit.
2) There is no testing of child vaccines.
3) HHS is directed to compile vaccine test results and forward them to Congress.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

Smallpox and polio isnt enough data for you?

a really unthinking persons line there

Yes, we like that stuff Dr Salk did......now....on to the pertinent data of subject for the normals these days....they quit doing the triple vax that needs preservative.......go get some of that preservatives my brother

a reply to: GBP/JPY

a really unthinking persons line there

The unthinking person is the one I replied to.

As for the rest, as usual your word salad makes it impossible to decode your meaning.

originally posted by: Phage
The lawsuit specified 300aa-27, why are you quoting an entirely different section of law?

ROFLMAO... I gave a direct link to the entire law because that question you asked could not be answered by that small subsection of the law mentioned in the lawsuit...

Appendix C1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act (Public Law 99-660)

PUBLIC LAW 99–2660—NOV. 14, 1986 100 STAT. 3755
...
42 USC 300aa-27.

“(1) promote the development of childhood vaccines that result in fewer and less serious adverse reactions than those vaccines on the market on the effective date of this subtitle and promote the refinement of such vaccines, and

“(2) make or assure improvements in, and otherwise use the authorities of the Secretary with respect to, the licensing, manufacturing, processing, testing, labeling, warning, use instructions, distribution, storage, administration, field surveillance, adverse reaction reporting, and recall of reactogenic lots or batches, of vaccines, and research on vaccines, in order to reduce the risks of adverse reactions to vaccines.
...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

The question you asked in specific could only be answered by showing another subsection of the entire law...

...
42 USC 300aa-3.
“REPORT

“SEC. 2104. The Director shall report to the Committee on Energy and Commerce of the House of Representatives and the Committee on Labor and Human Resources of the Senate not later than January 1, 1988, and annually thereafter on the implementation of the Program and the plan prepared under section 2103.

42 USC 300aa-4.
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www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

originally posted by: Phage
Three of them:
1) The Government lost the lawsuit.
2) There is no testing of child vaccines.
3) HHS is directed to compile vaccine test results and forward them to Congress.

First of all, the name of the op was not made up by me, but since at the start I only had the videos which had the same title, it is how I posted the thread...

Second of all, the lawsuit was not dismissed because there were no grounds for the lawsuit, but because both parties agreed on a settlement because no records or paper trail was found... How in the world is the government supposed to provide documents that they can't find?... The lawsuit was for the government to provide the documents...since they can't be found, and no paper trail can be found even in the "Federal Records Centers," there is no way for the government to comply to this lawsuit except by admitting they can't find ANY DOCUMENT at all asked in the lawsuit...

Third of all, I proved by excerpting the particular section of the law that HSS has to provide their own reports to "the respective House and Senate Committees" which happen to be "the Committee on Energy and Commerce of the House of Representatives" and the "Committee on Labor and Human Resources of the Senate..."

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

I gave a direct link to the entire law because that question you asked could not be answered by that small subsection of the law mentioned in the lawsuit...

Oh. Now where's the part about HSS compiling vaccine test reports and forwarding them to Congress?

First of all, the name of the op was not made up by me, but since at the start I only had the videos which had the same title, it is how I posted the thread...

No imagination?

but because both parties agreed on a settlement because no records or paper trail was found

Dismissal.

Third of all, I proved by excerpting the particular section of the law that HSS has to provide their own reports to "the respective House and Senate Committees" which happen to be "the Committee on Energy and Commerce of the House of Representatives" and the "Committee on Labor and Human Resources of the Senate..."

Yes. And it has nothing to do with the lawsuit.

originally posted by: Phage

The unthinking person is the one I replied to.

As for the rest, as usual your word salad makes it impossible to decode your meaning.

Oh, I see, so the "unthinking person" is the one who has to excerpt to you another subsection of the same law in order to respond to your own question, but the "unthinking person" isn't the one more than willing to be dishonest, take comments and responses out of context, and in general lie about another member and his statements?...

Actually, let me rephrase my comment because you didn't ask anything, in fact you actually falsely claimed and i quote:

originally posted by: Phage

There does not seem to be any requirement that vaccine manufacturers submit test results to HSS. The law does not seem to say that.

That's the reason why I had to excerpt another subsection of the entire law...

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Oh, I see, so the "unthinking person" is the one who has to excerpt to you another subsection of the same law in order to respond to your own question, ...

No. The unthinking person is the one to whom I replied here:

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: galadofwarthethird

In conclusion, vaccines do something sometimes, but they are far from the be all to end all. But only when it does not really count do they help.

When was the last time someone contracted smallpox?
Polio?

You are not the only person with whom I am interacting in this thread. Don't flatter yourself. Follow the reply chains.