Lion Air 737 Max 8 fatal crash

a reply to: Flipper35

It probably wasn't an emergency when they requested to return. You can see in the raw data that whatever it was started out pretty benign, and wasn't really bad until the crash started.

The data from JT43 the night before has been published by FR24. This plane never should have made it to Jakarta. The crew that flew it from Bali need their heads examined.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Jeez no wonder they said it was like a roller-coaster look at it at 5000 ft

a reply to: Woody510

It was as bad the day of the crash, just it went in the other direction. It started slow, then got violent as the crash started.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Did the troubles start at the same altitude do you know?

a reply to: Woody510

I'll have to check, but I think the Sunday flight started sooner. I'll check later tonight and see.

Seeing reports they've found the black box now.

a reply to: Woody510

One of them. It appears relatively undamaged as well.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Yeah I think they're still to find the one that records the voices.

The one they've found can they plug in to a simulator and reenact tye incident?

a reply to: Woody510

They haven't said yet which one was recovered I don't think. I haven't done my morning sweep yet but the first article I looked at said they weren't commenting yet.

a reply to: Zaphod58
BBC's story that I read here mate. link

a reply to: Woody510

Thanks.

I looked over the JT43 data. They had some odd vertical speed readings on the ground, but the first altitude drop they experienced was around 1500 feet, so it was pretty close to the same altitude as JT610.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Still can't believe they flew either days tbh. People on the ground are lucky it didn't have those drops like at 5000ft closer to the ground.

a reply to: Zaphod58

link

A new story saying the pilot of the previous flight made a pan pan call just after take off but decided to carry on.

Another Story the boss of Lion Air has come out saying he doesn't understand why people are now scared to fly with them. link

With the issues speculated upon, elevator feedback, instrument software conflicts, bad data in glass cockpit and finally actual elevator issues couldn't pilots conceivably revert to the set of rudimentary analog instruments to keep flying aircraft with exception of last issue. Even airspeed can be estimated by old fashion navigation skills.

Are glass cockpits lulling pilots into losing basic flight abilities whilst encouraging "button pushers" instead?

a reply to: Woody510

I hadn't heard the PAN call, but he was an idiot.

a reply to: Phoenix

Technology and lack of CRM, especially in Asian countries. It's getting more and more rare to see basic airmanship taught after initial training.

a reply to: Zaphod58

I was talking to my mum the other day about it. In the 80s she used to go out to Oz loads as we have family friends over there and one day she'd seen a really cheap flight and booked it. Little did she realise it was with Garuda she said she's never been as scared in her life on a plane. Not only that but it was described as the milk float flight as it literally stopped everywhere. When they were leaving Jakarta they had to abort the take off and go off the runway due to a major systems failure. She said when she finally landed in Oz she booked a single with Singapore and just sacked off the return flight altogether with them.

a reply to: Woody510

Garuda is, or was, quite a bit better in recent years. There are some really good Asian airlines, but I wouldn't fly anything based in Indonesia or India if you offered me enough money to retire on right now. Lion Air started in 1999, and currently has something like 450 aircraft on the books between orders and active aircraft. That kind of expansion is asking for major trouble. I'm actually surprised they haven't had more fatal accidents.

They had an interesting mix of issues. They also had a fuel control fault.