Turkey Backed Forces Strike, US Forces Return Fire

a reply to: Zcustosmorum
Right! We have helped these countries to the point that 1/4 of the populations have fled into Europe, another 1/4 have been killed because of our help and the rest live in abject poverty. I'm sure they would appreciate even more of our help.

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: blueman12
a reply to: Justoneman

If it was that simple. Everything seems to apart of a geopolitical game. Our presence in the Middle East probably angers more than it protects.

So we anger people for saving other from tyranny and have to leave? I think not. We must help those who can't help themselves from tyrants. Freedom is not cheap and the alternative is slavery.

After Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan and countless others, you must have rocks in your head if you still truly believe that crap

After China, Pol Pot in Cambodia, Hitler and Mussilini I wonder why you protest? Rocks are in your head if you think those tyranny's were good or can be called good.

Not sure if this qualifies as a direct Turkish attack on US forces. If it had been actual state armed forces, bearing the Turkish flag insignia and all, I'd say some form of action - at the least sanctions - would be justified. But no, any show of force would have the Turks acting like cornered dogs and thus, dangerous.

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: blueman12
a reply to: Justoneman

If it was that simple. Everything seems to apart of a geopolitical game. Our presence in the Middle East probably angers more than it protects.

So we anger people for saving other from tyranny and have to leave? I think not. We must help those who can't help themselves from tyrants. Freedom is not cheap and the alternative is slavery.

After Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan and countless others, you must have rocks in your head if you still truly believe that crap

After China, Pol Pot in Cambodia, Hitler and Mussilini I wonder why you protest? Rocks are in your head if you think those tyranny's were good or can be called good.

No acts of war are good mate, except maybe to the politicians and businessmen behind them, what exactly is your point?

"So we anger people for saving other from tyranny and have to leave? I think not. We must help those who can't help themselves from tyrants. Freedom is not cheap and the alternative is slavery."

Just a reminder of what you wrote, and I've noticed something else about your questionable statement, where the hell is slavery coming from? Deny ignorance

And I'm not quite sure where you get your news from, but like the MSM crap against Saddam Hussein before the US illegally invaded Iraq, it's the same with Assad. And the people of Syria didn't ask the US for help against a tyrant, they democratically voted for Assad. They did ask Russia for help in eliminating ISIS though, who were partly formed from the fallout of the destruction of Iraq, which was for the oil and gold, and not freedom as the MSM kept claiming in the run up. Deny ignorance

I'm intrigued, did you skip history lessons? Because if you skipped classes, then how did you become a warmonger politician with shares in some arms company, or maybe you're some business guy currently working for Exxon or something.

I apologize for the head full of rocks comment, I should have said head in the sand instead

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: blueman12
a reply to: Justoneman

If it was that simple. Everything seems to apart of a geopolitical game. Our presence in the Middle East probably angers more than it protects.

So we anger people for saving other from tyranny and have to leave? I think not. We must help those who can't help themselves from tyrants. Freedom is not cheap and the alternative is slavery.

After Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan and countless others, you must have rocks in your head if you still truly believe that crap

After China, Pol Pot in Cambodia, Hitler and Mussilini I wonder why you protest? Rocks are in your head if you think those tyranny's were good or can be called good.

No acts of war are good mate, except maybe to the politicians and businessmen behind them, what exactly is your point?

"So we anger people for saving other from tyranny and have to leave? I think not. We must help those who can't help themselves from tyrants. Freedom is not cheap and the alternative is slavery."

Just a reminder of what you wrote, and I've noticed something else about your questionable statement, where the hell is slavery coming from?

You missed the last century is my point. The evil tyrants cause people to be their slaves or die. Chinese people want to challenge Chairman Xi and I bet many know that they will make you disappear and use your organs. Deny that ignorance indeed. Being as people flock here to be free to escape tyranny and that we help free others, you should check yourself and rethink this.

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: blueman12
a reply to: Justoneman

If it was that simple. Everything seems to apart of a geopolitical game. Our presence in the Middle East probably angers more than it protects.

So we anger people for saving other from tyranny and have to leave? I think not. We must help those who can't help themselves from tyrants. Freedom is not cheap and the alternative is slavery.

After Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan and countless others, you must have rocks in your head if you still truly believe that crap

After China, Pol Pot in Cambodia, Hitler and Mussilini I wonder why you protest? Rocks are in your head if you think those tyranny's were good or can be called good.

No acts of war are good mate, except maybe to the politicians and businessmen behind them, what exactly is your point?

"So we anger people for saving other from tyranny and have to leave? I think not. We must help those who can't help themselves from tyrants. Freedom is not cheap and the alternative is slavery."

Just a reminder of what you wrote, and I've noticed something else about your questionable statement, where the hell is slavery coming from?

You missed the last century is my point. The evil tyrants cause people to be their slaves or die. Chinese people want to challenge Chairman Xi and I bet many know that they will make you disappear and use your organs. Deny that ignorance indeed. Being as people flock here to be free to escape tyranny and that we help free others, you should check yourself and rethink this.

Do you think that America bombing the crap out of their country plays any part in them having to flee? Don't tell me, you think America with it's beautiful shining culture, education and pure society should be the police of the world?

And which news channels are telling you about these evil warlords? I mean no doubt China has corruption and violence, but you kind of seem to be deflecting from the original point, which was Syria and it's destruction through Western bombs and Western armed terrorists, ooops I mean rebels

The Ottoman empire is returning.

originally posted by: fightzone58
a reply to: ALSTA

from 1776-1950 we were never invaded by anyone. they sure take their time attacking us for no reason. lets see how long it takes while we continue to provoke it

That's not true i suggest you learn your history. The US has been invaded twice by two foreign armies. In fact one of them burned down the White house.

a reply to: Zcustosmorum

You seem to not know your history either. Iraq was not illegally invaded. Sadam Hussein signed a cease fire agreement after he invaded Kuwait. Failure to comply with the cease fire meant the war was to continue.

After Iraq was driven by U.S.-led coalition forces out of Kuwait during Operation Desert Storm, Iraq and the U.N. Security Council signed a ceasefire agreement on March 3, 1991.

He continually violated this agreement by refusing to allow UN inspectors to enter and firing at Aircraft enforcing the no fly zone placed by UN security council. Had he just cooperated with the UN he would still be there now.

a reply to: dragonridr

how about posting your version of history so i can rip it up for you. japan didnt invade, they did a sneak attack and ran away within hours. england did actually invade after we stopped paying taxes to them because we lived under their rule til then. civil war is most qualified for your statement since the confederacy seceded legally before the union invaded a sovereign state and started the war that led to the confedere invasion

a reply to: dragonridr

You seem to not know your history either. Iraq was not illegally invaded. Sadam Hussein signed a cease fire agreement after he invaded Kuwait. Failure to comply with the cease fire meant the war was to continue.

It wasn't a war, it was basically a slaughter

After Iraq was driven by U.S.-led coalition forces out of Kuwait during Operation Desert Storm, Iraq and the U.N. Security Council signed a ceasefire agreement on March 3, 1991.

Because the US was destroying Iraq, and you know damn well as I do, the lies that were told in order to manufacture the consent into invading Iraq, illegal, immoral, whatever you wan't to call it, it was still bullsh*t

Had he just cooperated with the UN he would still be there now.

Cooperated

Democracy in action, do as we say or we blow the crap out of your country

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight
I respect that opinion. I still feel we should always win.
a reply to: Zcustosmorum
I like my defense stocks. They pay dividends.

originally posted by: fightzone58
a reply to: ALSTA

from 1776-1950 we were never invaded by anyone. they sure take their time attacking us for no reason. lets see how long it takes while we continue to provoke it

Well i think usa is not provoking attack persay, rather preventing said attacks by disrupting through intervention the oppressive nature of past enemies to democracy and freedom somewhat disrupting their abilities to form an international movemant against your/our freedom.
So i guess by your definition we should have let the likes of hitler continue on his murderous ways until he was at our doorstep?

Sounds a bit antihumanity and selfish at the very least.

Modern day versions of protecting our borders as a last resort are early warning systems but if they are activated theres probably a good chance your already dead just don't know it yet. Hence why prevention is better than cure when it comes to humanity.

a reply to: ALSTA

the people did not want to fight hitler. thats why the war starter on 9-1-39 and we joined on 12-8-41. the day after japan did a sneak attack. years later we found out the government knew it was coming, we could have prevented it and stayed out of it. search for hitler on fbi.gov. you will find declassified documents of us searching for him in south america. now we are not allowed to dig up adolf leipzig and check to see if he was hitler. if so he lived til the 80s. your textbooks are full of false info that has been disproven.the government wants us in wars. nobody wants to attack 100 million registered gun owners in america

originally posted by: fightzone58
a reply to: ALSTA

the people did not want to fight hitler. thats why the war starter on 9-1-39 and we joined on 12-8-41. the day after japan did a sneak attack. years later we found out the government knew it was coming, we could have prevented it and stayed out of it. search for hitler on fbi.gov. you will find declassified documents of us searching for him in south america. now we are not allowed to dig up adolf leipzig and check to see if he was hitler. if so he lived til the 80s. your textbooks are full of false info that has been disproven.the government wants us in wars. nobody wants to attack 100 million registered gun owners in america

Its got nothing to do with when it started or when usa entered, or even hitler and what false information in my text books are you actually refering to that aparantely im wrong/false about???....

The point here is that usa joined the effort as it no longer could wait till the war was on its doorstep as you clearly would prefer. Whether the people wanted to fight or not eventually they would of had no choice anyway as invasion would have seemed somewhat enevitabl sooner or later.

So as a pre emptive measure to the protection of its own borders and citizens the usa call to not only help humanity fight a tyrant and protect the freedom that was clearly being abolished rapidly, was inacted, - luckily for freedom and democracy loving countries.

Be proud of your country, Respect the lifes lost fighting for the freedom of speech and choice that you so obviously enjoy.

But your right in one respect no one wants to attack 100 million gun owners, -but attack they could, as the vast majority of those 100 million gunowners are relatively untrained packing small arms which in reality is no real match for any modern equipped well armed force. I'll assume your talking in the event the usa military forces can't utilize its firepower that your actually suggesting this theory of not attacking the armed 100 million.

Be thankfull your country has the balls to protect us from the ravages of what their enemies would have us living like, and open your eyes to the reality of how you got this freedom that your exercising with this only at my backdoor policy.

A policy im certain you'd deeply regret when that backdoor is being knocked on by unfriendlys.

a reply to: [post=23904834]ALSTA[ /your text book says hitler commited suicide and russia took his skull. france proved that skull belonged to a female in her 20s. hitler escaped germany and did not attack usa afterward. the us didnt defeat him, russia did. no1 will ever invade my backyard because my state has more assault rifles than people. the only guns that count here are the ar15 and the ak47. ar15 for accuracy and ak47 for reliability. i can believe new york, washington and california could be invaded. the militias of the south are full of veterans.

as far as your theory that we attack to stop others from attacking us goes. we got beat sticking our nose in korea. they didnt attack us after. we got beat sticking our nose in vietnam. they didnt attack us. militaries that know they can beat ours dont want any part of the people because a third of us are legally prepared and many more are illegally prepared. it is true that some people just have a little 22 for protection. it is also true that some people have 100 assault rifles to hand out if it comes down to it. kyle myers owns enough to arm half the state of georgia. he also owns 2 tanks. www.rt.com... my grandfather was burned head to toe when his truck ran over a landmine because of the korean scam

originally posted by: fightzone58
a reply to: [post=23904834]ALSTA[ /your text book says hitler commited suicide and russia took his skull. france proved that skull belonged to a female in her 20s. hitler escaped germany and did not attack usa afterward. the us didnt defeat him, russia did. no1 will ever invade my backyard because my state has more assault rifles than people. the only guns that count here are the ar15 and the ak47. ar15 for accuracy and ak47 for reliability. i can believe new york, washington and california could be invaded. the militias of the south are full of veterans.

as far as your theory that we attack to stop others from attacking us goes. we got beat sticking our nose in korea. they didnt attack us after. we got beat sticking our nose in vietnam. they didnt attack us. militaries that know they can beat ours dont want any part of the people because a third of us are legally prepared and many more are illegally prepared. it is true that some people just have a little 22 for protection. it is also true that some people have 100 assault rifles to hand out if it comes down to it. kyle myers owns enough to arm half the state of georgia. he also owns 2 tanks. www.rt.com... my grandfather was burned head to toe when his truck ran over a landmine because of the korean scam

I truly deeply am very sorry to hear about your grandfather, But your emotional connection to this understandably is effecting your outlook.
And i still don't know what text book you think ive got? Its simple you want to wait until troubles in your backyard, im saying by then its to late.
We could go on and on but I'll surrender and not debate it with you anymore, clearly as stated your emotional attachment is ruling your thoughts. Fair enough to, its only a thread, which by the way we are now heading towards thread drift on.
No disrespect intended ok.

a reply to: ALSTA

our ability to agree to disagree is definately a reason for why this country is great.

originally posted by: ALSTA

originally posted by: fightzone58
a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

im from the us and i sort of agree with you. my coumtry has been sticking our nose in other peoples wars since 1950. korea,vietnam,ukraine, and all over the middle east. i say as long as your dogs dont poop in my yard, they can poop wherever they want

That seems fair enough to a degree but only in theory, if the us wasn't standing up for and risking their lifes for freedom or as you put it "sticking their noses in other people's war", you wouldn't have a back yard by now or the freedom to be posting your opinion.

Prevention is better than cure, especially in matters of human existance and prosperity.

How many “lives” + “civilian properties” has been destroyed by this American “justice” and “freedom” and their “phenomenal democracy” in the Middle East so far..?

originally posted by: Qboneq

originally posted by: ALSTA

originally posted by: fightzone58
a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

im from the us and i sort of agree with you. my coumtry has been sticking our nose in other peoples wars since 1950. korea,vietnam,ukraine, and all over the middle east. i say as long as your dogs dont poop in my yard, they can poop wherever they want

That seems fair enough to a degree but only in theory, if the us wasn't standing up for and risking their lifes for freedom or as you put it "sticking their noses in other people's war", you wouldn't have a back yard by now or the freedom to be posting your opinion.

Prevention is better than cure, especially in matters of human existance and prosperity.

How many “lives” + “civilian properties” has been destroyed by this American “justice” and “freedom” and their “phenomenal democracy” in the Middle East so far..?

I don't know do you?, how many lives has intervention saved? I dont know either do you?

All i know is i would rather see tyranny/enemies of freedom taken care of before they come knocking at my backdoor to load me into a train or chop my head of or burn me alive or kill me any other manner of ways for rejecting their communist/totalitarian/evil oppressive ways.

I gotta be honest, i don't condone war in any fashion but its something that in this world is clearly unavoidable due to so many different ways of existance striving for supremecy throughout humanity.

But what i do condone is freedom, william wallace new that to stop oppression in his time he had to not only kick the english out of scotland with force but he had to invade england to obtain that freedom we so deeply desire but which is never granted willingly, and of course he failed and england still rules ovef us all today its called taxes, tyranny disguised as freedom.

This attitude of not till its in my backyard is in theory correct and noble but in practice is improbable at best there are simply to many cultures with viking mentalities.

How anyone who loves and expresses the freedom they have cannot see the blatantly obvious is beyond me, they do not understand basic human history and behaviour, they do not respect the countless loss of life of the people who gave everything to hand them that freedom and who hoped they did not give everything in vain.

Furthermore the inaction to the protection of said freedom is in reality treason to the memory of the fallen and treason to those who paid the ultimate price before help arrived to liberate them.

So in closing I'll ask you if usa was invaded, who would liberate it, honestly someone has to fight for freedom and freedom is jeprodised all over the globe. Who else has the man power and the balls to defend that freedom all over the globe.

Freedom will and never had prevailed if left to its own devices. It must be defended and in relation to this thread with preventive maintenance undoubtedly.

The true enemy of freedom worldwide is politics and nothing will ever ever change that.