Did the Harry Potter Books have a real story hidden underneath?

originally posted by: lakenheath24
I loved HP but as a 51 year old....saw it as a kids version of the greatest trilogy ever written....lord o the rings.

I can't imagine comparing the two!
Harry Potter books were so poorly written I couldn't even finish reading the first one.
Lord of the Rings was just the opposite.

originally posted by: snarfbot
interesting research.

the books are all about doing good works and being a good person though so i dont think any kind of occult inspirations would detract from those messages.

Evil does it's best work when disguised as good.

a reply to: Starcrossd

Hi STARCROSSD,
You have the right avatar for this next thread section, you can read about Gandhi's visit to the vegetarian restaurant in Farringdon Street, London on link below:-
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You will see that he met Helena Blavatsky but a lot of early socialist politicians used to visit the restaurant also, so it was a curious selection of diners, a lot of the Fabian Society ate there as well as many mystics, so many topics were discussed across the table!
Esoteric organizations usually mark the day of forming with one of two stars, Sirius, the Isis star or the center star of the Belt of Orion which is associated the Osiris, this is done by start of day, by Sunset previous to date being ancient Greek day marker, by modern midnight, or Sunrise being ancient Egyptian or Roman day start.
Then the four directions are used, being Due East or West being the horizon at location, and Due South being the culminating angle, or the opposite being Due North being the Nadir in the Northern Hemisphere.
The Vegetarian Society were formed on the 30th September 1847 in Ramsgate UK, so i have to show astronomy graph in two parts as the society chose sunrise at location while Sirius was culminating at Due South.
The astronomy graphs coming on next thread section, SIRIUS BLACK COMES TO MIND!!!!

Link to date Vegetarian Society was formed in Ramsgate UK on 30th September 1847 below:-
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The astronomy graph will be in two parts, below you will see the Sun rising on graph at location:-

Below you will see that Sirius was culminating at Due South at location when Sun was rising, these alignments are used by esoteric hermetic mystics to mark their work:-

I know i'm being a bit long in explaining but i have to set the scene before i mention any other characters in the Harry Potter Books that may have been inspired by real people, please scroll down link below to "The Story of the Treasure Seekers", Rowling's mentions E.Nesbit and says "I think i identify with E. Nesbit more than any other writer"
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E.Nesbit was a co-founder of the Fabian Society, a forerunner of the UK Labour Party, but surely the writer of "The Railway Children" wasn't a mystic?
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I will leave you thinkig about if E.Nesbit was a mystic for a while LOL.

All very interesting. I didn't know about many of those links from real world influences to fictional works. Thank you for that. I love this sort of stuff. I've reread the HP books many times and am always finding new things that draw parallels as I dig around other subjects.

I do find it interesting how many works draw upon Blavatsky/Crowley and the Freemasons that I'd never noticed before.

a reply to: Astronomer62

Rowling was accused of Plagiarism and indeed she did SEEM to take her ideas from many sources but her tales were still brilliant in there own right (if not to my taste more a LOTR fan myself or I was back when I was nine years of age all those century's ago).
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a reply to: Subrosabelow
Hi Subrosabelow,
The plot thickens, So the most influential writer regarding J.K. Rowling was E. Nesbit, but if you scroll down link below to "Known or Alleged Members" you will find E. Nesbit Mentioned!
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Perhaps the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn inspired J.K. Rowling with the "Order of the Phoenix".
Y.B. Yeats was a member, but he was also a member of the Ghost Club that i belonged to when i was a junior investigator regarding The Enfield Poltergeist LOL.
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probally not, though the same can't be said about the works of clarke and HP. lovecraft

a reply to: LABTECH767
Hi LABTECH767,
J.K. Rowling had many influences, thanks for the link, it was interesting.
I don't think that Rowling will ever admit to real life influences for fear of hurting the Labour Party and Fabian Society, in 2008 she donated £1,000,000 to them.
www.theguardian.com...
Sorry all i'm done for now as i'm hurting, i will be back tomorrow, i have hardly started on this!

As an author, I love placing easter eggs all over the place.

Unless you have some fun, choosing names of characters and places is arduous.

Pin a phone book to the wall and throw darts at it perhaps, or have some fun with names.

There are no new stories, it has all been done.

As an example, Star Wars was just a not so subtle version of Sir Ivanhoe. They even had swords!

Star Trek was another version of Wagon Train. An oldie but a goodie. The individual episodes have all been done before in shows such as Wagon Train, Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea and many others. The number of times they 'stole' ideas from cartoons is awesome, Marine Boy was a favorite to generate new episodes.

Authors have to have fun too you know!

P

I also think she might of read this flightpath to reading books maybe ?
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originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: Astronomer62

I think you give Rowling to much credit.
Lightning struck "nyuk nyuk" with Harry Potter but what has she done outside of the potter universe?

I compare her to George Lucas. He got lucky with a concept and then tried to tell us he had a dozen movies in mind when he made star wars.
Uh huh, that's why Luke kissed his sister....

How about C.B. Strike?

a reply to: JohnnyCanuck
Thank you all for your input, today being Sunday has been a problem with posting with visitors to a Nursing home, so threads today are not what i wanted in length.
Perhaps Arthur Weasley was modeled on Arthur Waite or A.E. Waite?
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Firstly J.K. Rowling before becoming an author was a researcher for Amnesty International, many of the characters in real life fought for human rights in very difficult times in 1888 that it is highly likely Rowling knew about, then being a communist wasn't such a dirty word as it hadn't been tested as in USSR, but these people during this period helped human rights.
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With all this in mind, perhaps Emmeline Vance was modeled on Emmeline Pankhurst
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Please remember the vegetarian element in the Fabian Society that diners mixed together, so could Sturgis Podmore be Frank Podmore, who was a founding member of the Fabian Society, like E. Nesbit, he was also a member of the Society of Psychical Research, who with the Ghost Club researched the Enfield Poltergeist in 1977, i know as i was there!
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Could Fabian Prewett be a code for the Fabian Society?
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Obviously i agree with most posters that there were other influences regarding Rowling's inspiration, i'm just commenting that the area of history that i'm examining could have been one of them and is an interesting period of history in it's own right!

Beatrice Webb was one of the leading lights of the Fabian Society, however her maiden name was POTTER.
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a reply to: Astronomer62

Hello, Astronomer.

I am CanadianMason's wife.

I do believe in what you are talking about.

The characters in Harry Potter, which I have been following for a number of years, are very real.

The one character that I resonate with is Professor Moody.

If you would like to know a little bit more about me - Luna Lovegood, because I'm always looking for my shoes, all 300 pairs of them - and, of course, Hermione Granger:

Altering the course of history: Hermione and Harry use the Time-Turner to save Sirius and Buckbeak

a reply to: Astronomer62

CanadianMason here (not my wife). I studied Anthroposophy for a number of years when I lived in Toronto. Rudolph Steiner was heavily influenced by Goethe, a Mason.