The Pyramids Of Egypt: Relics Of An Advanced Prehistoric Civilization?

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: Flavian

so how many rocks an hour did they have to place to complete the 1 main giza pyramid at 2.3 million rocks if they did it in 20 years only seasonly?

just curious if you know the answer

Still running from my question as to where you got 2.3 million - haven't you ever wondered who and how that was made up?

I mean do you you just believe whatever you are told to believe?

Amazing

Why is it 2.3 million?

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: Hanslune

listen the multi tonne stones 3 dimensionally fit into each other, they would have to place a rock every 2-3 minutes in order to do it in the suggested time frame

obviously complete bull# that anybody with half a brain can see clear as day

No idea what you are talking about.

Have you read Merer's papyrus - it might help you. I realize you don't read actual research but you might try - just for the novelty of it.....

en.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: Hanslune

Geetoysforadults you ignoring what the AE actually drew on their walls about how they worked stone?

Is your mind closed?

Why is a video of clueless people making stuff up better evidence that the 'voice' of the actual Egyptians - you said you liked visual evidence, yet you ignore it - odd ........I think you fibbed. lol


oh and added some more you can ignore too!!

originally posted by: Flavian
a reply to: bloodymarvelous

Just for some perspective on time scales.

The Theodosian Walls were built between 412-414 AD - a far, far larger construction with much more work involved.

Hadrian's Wall was started in AD 122 and finished within 6 years - all 80 miles of it. This was done by, at most, 3 Legions - 15'000 men. In hostile territory, whilst having to also protect shipped in resources.

The Pharos at Alexandria took 20 years to build - technically, that was an even greater accomplishment (IMO) than the pyramids.

The only reason that the pyramids took so long to build was down to it being seasonal work for farmers, etc.

The problem for the GP isn't the scale so much as the necessary choke points. To move so many blocks and move them fast enough, you need to be able to field lots of workers simultaneously.

It doesn't matter how many workers you have if only a few of them can be working on the task of placing stones at any given time due to space and access limitations.

The Great Wall of China is bigger than anything out there, but also has many access points for the builders, so you could have a thousand or more work crews going at the same time.

originally posted by: Hanslune

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous


They probably left and went into the Green Sahara when it opened up. Or lost their unification because anybody who didn't like the ruler could just pick up and go "out west".

How do you know that if they are invisible? lol

Not a solution just an excuse - same problem in the Sahara - not a sign of them while others cultures can be detected having been there. The elephant in the room is that no matter how much you turn and twist the lack of any evidence for another civilization kills your idea.

I will say it again civilizations leave massive, vast, archaeological footprints - and simply nothing you say will ever overcome that.

So again what evidence do you have that the implausible invisible civilization built the large pyramids? Then disappeared but then it was already invisible?

You do understand why the orthodox/academic world is justly reluctant to give credence to an invisible lost civilization aren't you?

"Civilization" is a loaded term. It has many requirements that aren't necessarily needed for a society to be able to carry out large scale construction. Maybe you are the one who is making too many assumptions about what kind of civ it takes.

For a multi-generation project, migrating herds people might be better equipped psychologically than sedentary/urban agriculturalists.

They 're used to the idea that they're going to leave the area after just a few months, go somewhere else, and somewhere after that, and eventually return next season.

So this year you get your whole group together and place one huge block. Next year you place another, and next year another. Always starting and stopping. And maybe the first block was placed 10 generations ago.

Urbanites/farmers want to see continual progress. That might be why megalithic construction gave way to microlithic after farming became common place. The desire to see small incremental growth over time. Like how a farmer expects to see every stage of his wheat stalks coming up out of the ground.

Also the arrival of the Green Sahara might not be the time they disappeared. The end of the Green Sahara would have been a disaster for anyone living in the Nile area.

With thousands of people on the Sahara losing their livelihoods, wanting to escape the desperation of the new desert. Frightened, agitated, hordes of people would be showing up in the Nile valley armed and demanding to be given territory to settle. The incumbent residents would be massively outnumbered.

A lot of people probably did a lot of things that both they, and their descendants would later be ashamed of.


On the plus side, the nation that later emerged would have a lot of ethnic diversity.

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous


"Civilization" is a loaded term. It has many requirements that aren't necessarily needed for a society to be able to carry out large scale construction. Maybe you are the one who is making too many assumptions about what kind of civ it takes.

For a multi-generation project, migrating herds people might be better equipped psychologically than sedentary/urban agriculturalists.

They 're used to the idea that they're going to leave the area after just a few months, go somewhere else, and somewhere after that, and eventually return next season.

So this year you get your whole group together and place one huge block. Next year you place another, and next year another. Always starting and stopping. And maybe the first block was placed 10 generations ago.

Urbanites/farmers want to see continual progress. That might be why megalithic construction gave way to microlithic after farming became common place. The desire to see small incremental growth over time. Like how a farmer expects to see every stage of his wheat stalks coming up out of the ground.

Nice comments but you again have tried to avoid the elephant in the room - there is no evidence for this civilization or culture if you prefer to. Yes archaeology can detect nomadic groups - you might want to look up what is known about the tribes that lived in what is modern Libya. There nomadic animals waste and usage is easy to fine especially in the desert were bones last a LONG time.

You have to figure out how they could have built the pyramids you claim they did without leaving a single trace that they existed while at the same time the AE left material all over the place.....and having the AE leave stuff inside to include writing while they DIDN'T.

Tough

www.researchgate.net... outhern_Egypt/links/5aa7f78ca6fdcc1b59c62942/Sorghum-in-the-Economy-of-the-Early-Neolithic-Nomadic-Tribes-at-Nabta-Playa-Southern-Egypt.pdf

The link above is about a 10,000 year old site in the Sahara who were growing Sorghum.

Oh and on the construction discussion you are having with Flavian you might want to read Merer's diary also

www.roger-pearse.com...

He is talking about what he was doing in Khufu's time - which was bringing Tura limestone to Giza.

My theory of the GP, Red, Bent, and Meidum pyramids is that they are build-overs. With stones being added to an originally non-pyramid or step pyramid structure to make it into a true pyramid.

In Meidum's case it is obvious, because the outer stonework collapsed revealing the step pyramid inside (Although it looks more like it was intended as a multi-stage building, rather than a "pyramid" but happens to be somewhat pyramid-like).


That said, I agree that the Diary of Merer describes construction of the outer stones in pretty good detail. And the nearby worker encampment would also fit with that.

Furthermore, Herodotus' account of a lifting machine consisting of wooden planks raising a stone step by step, would have a good chance of working for stones of limited size.

en.wikipedia.org...

egyptianpyramidsecrets.blogspot.com...

Everything fits nicely together if we only have them building the outer part. And then we end up with a technology gap (and subsequent memory loss) if we have them building the core.

originally posted by: Hanslune


Tough

www.researchgate.net... outhern_Egypt/links/5aa7f78ca6fdcc1b59c62942/Sorghum-in-the-Economy-of-the-Early-Neolithic-Nomadic-Tribes-at-Nabta-Playa-Southern-Egypt.pdf

The link above is about a 10,000 year old site in the Sahara who were growing Sorghum.

You don't think those people could have built the inner structure? They were probably doing what lots of other migrating hunter/gatherers and herdspeople have done through the ages. Setting up a crop that will grow on its own while they leave to their next destination, and be ready when they get back.

Given sufficient time, nearly anyone could have built it.

a reply to: ALSTA

Your interpretation of the written word is quite literal with no periferal vision.

Ahhh I get it.

So you want to make up definitions to suit.

In debate and research about non philosophical/psychological, non religious subjects there is no room for this nonsense of having to read between the lines as all it leads to is misinterpretation that just spirals into chaos.


If we do not use precise words and their meanings then this is just a joke, not serious debate or research.

So instead of focusing on discrediting me maybe pay a little more attention to reading between the lines, a skill that will serve you incredibly well in interpreting whats actually been said and in life and perhaps help you out with that tunnel vision persona that you seem to possess.

OK so you contradict yourself and when pointed out try and make it not your issue but someones elses interpretation issues even though you admit to being contradictory but its readers that need to read your mind basically?


I get it

you want to entertain fantasy and the only way one can do so is by expressing yourself in a way that is easily misinterpreted.

Once questioned for clarity you obfuscate even more and try and make it that research and debate doesn't depend on the use of language which requires proper use for there to be no misinterpretations that may hinder research or create confusion in debate.

a reply to: Hanslune

www.nationalgeographic.com...

You obviously dont have a clue what you're talking about

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: Hanslune

www.nationalgeographic.com...

You obviously dont have a clue what you're talking about

Obviously I do because you keep not answering the question. Where does the 2.3 million figure come from? No it doesn't come from the link you put in above - as a matter of fact they call it a........'estimate'.

Now if you were honest you'd just say, ' I have no idea what I'm talking about I just repeat what other people tell me to believe'. YOU could do that but alas you won't.

The fellow who wrote that article is a free lance writer. He just used what is commonly used. He is wrong, now why are you unable to figure out where and how 2.3 came from?

Question was that number created with an understanding of the amount of G1 that consisting of an existing hill?

Prithee?

Oh and since you like youtube is a basic 'Egyptology 101' youtube for ya, www.youtube.com..., I believe this one is free of fringe errors.

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous

You don't think those people could have built the inner structure? They were probably doing what lots of other migrating hunter/gatherers and herdspeople have done through the ages. Setting up a crop that will grow on its own while they leave to their next destination, and be ready when they get back.

Given sufficient time, nearly anyone could have built it.

Its possible but not plausible or probable and again you try to avoid the flopping great blue whale that is the simple fact that while AE remains lay all over the place there is not a single shred of anything associated with 'x' culture. At the same time if you go back in history other cultures show up the Harifian, Faiyum A, El Omari, Maadi, etc., etc., all these left traces interestingly enough there is a period of reduced evidenced for anyone from 9000-6000 BC. Yet traces remain. They built with mud brick and palm fronts not rocks. No sign of a stone working culture 'x'.

Have you examined the quarries?

www.eeescience.utoledo.edu...

This covers some of the most important quarries in the Eastern Med - again lots of evidence for the Egyptians and later use by Romans, etc., and oddly no sign of culture 'x'.

It is unuseful to debate with blatant ignorant posters who have chosen to BELIEVE in the fringe agenda.
The seed of fraudulent but commercial successful lies of authors like Däniken, Sitchin, Hancock and plus Fox Corp. 'Ancient Aliens' has spread over the years into pop culture already.
It does not matter how many more times professionals in the field of archeology or agyptology debunk these BS (not only here on ATS) it won't take two weeks till a new, almost identical new thread of the same ignorant theme pops up.

It is clear that the AA- bulls**t-brain cancer is still spreading because they have CHOSEN TO BELIEVE. And therfore IGNORE.
It clearly is a new form of 'technical superstition'.

cheers

Actually only ONE piece of the archeological findings is enough to prove e.g. that the GP was build by Khufu..here a nice 4500 years old pypyrus was found, that documents the end of the construction process :

www.history.com...

The hieroglyphic letters inscribed in the logbook were written more than 4,500 years ago by a middle-ranking inspector named Merer who detailed over the course of several months the construction operations for the Great Pyramid, which was nearing completion, and the work at the limestone quarries at Tura on the opposite bank of the Nile River.

Merer’s logbook, written in a two-column daily timetable, reports on the daily lives of the construction workers and notes that the limestone blocks exhumed at Tura, which were used to cover the pyramid’s exterior, were transported by boat along the Nile River and a system of canals to the construction site, a journey that took between two and three days.

The inspector, who led a team of sailors, also noted that the vizier Ankhhaef, Khufu’s half-brother and the “chief for all the works of the king,” was overseeing the enormous construction project. Additional logbooks provide information about other projects undertaken by the same team of sailors in the same year, including the construction of a harbor along the Mediterranean Sea.

a reply to: anti72

Who's quote any of those people?

Also why don't you just admit that the official story has a few holes in it?

Like they would have to place 2200 stones a week 52 weeks a year to complete the construction in the currently agreed upon mainstream narrative which also suggest they did it only seasonly?

2200 stones a week is sure one he'll of a lot of stones to place with peimitive tools

Actually its probably impossible

Ever move a heavy stone with a crane? Yeah guess what you couldn't 2200 stones a week with heavy machinery they for sure didn't do it with sticks and bronze chisel

Derp derp. I baweev whatevur I r told

a reply to: LitriumGem

Man, this is just friggin' brilliant! Great find! Now we genuinely know the truth of who built the pyramids and how it was done!

My only question is, is it possible that knowing there's an advanced civilization in the Aldebaran system, Nordic Aliens if I recall correctly and knowing they had contact with Earth in the 1920's through the 1940's via mediums of the Thule Society, Sigrun and Maria Orsic, is it possible that the Nordic Aliens came to Earth and built the Pyramids?

Another question: considering the fact that the Nordic Aliens appear to frequently visit the earth, how come no one has asked them who built the Pyramids?

a reply to: Hanslune

Clearly you do not hace evidence to support a better estimate so unless you can come up with a better number then this is the currently agreed upon number of blocks

You're ability to debate is infantile. You are insulting and ignorant. You call everyone else out without presenting a proper position in a debate.

Let me know when you grow up.

originally posted by: ALSTA
a reply to: LSU2018

Exactly, the mind boggles.
Definately without doubt pyramid was way more than just leggo for longevity in honor of dead oppressors.
Definately a engineering marvel built for purposes way out of our current understanding, if ya ever come across that time machine gives a hoy.

Only if you don't mind me making a stop in Shreveport in 1983 to have a drink around one of the backyard bonfires my family, Aunts, Uncles, cousins, and grandparents used to sit around almost every weekend of the summer.

a reply to: toysforadults

easy. educate yourself. read books written by archeologists.
dig deeper.
no youtube.
also, there are some ATS FAQ about this also.
eg: www.abovetopsecret.com...

PS. The GP is NOT made from millions of average blocks..

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Blackfinger

The heck did I just waste a minute and 15 seconds on?

a reply to: anti72

www.smithsonianmag.com...

Check your info