The Pyramids Of Egypt: Relics Of An Advanced Prehistoric Civilization?

(Would explain why the workers at the Giza village were given so much beer in their rations.)

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a reply to: bloodymarvelous

Beer is food.


Actual beer, I mean.

a reply to: Kandinsky

Harsh Kand.....

One is definitely more likely to be 'awakened' than the other, and if the akashic record does indeed exist, and Mr. Li is able to access it, then he could very well be confirming what some of us have felt is the reality for a while.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: bloodymarvelous

Beer is food.


Actual beer, I mean.

Beer is food AND WATER.

When they get enough beer, they'll throw up right? Expelling the contents of their stomach. Hydrochloric acid (stomach acid)!


But I'm just kidding. I think there would be some residue left if they were dissolving the granite in hydrochloric acid.

If you are interested in Egyptian materials and techniques you might want to get or read at a library the following:

Its rather expensive.

Ancient Egyptian Materials and Technology

Editors:
Paul T. Nicholson, Cardiff University
Ian Shaw, University of Liverpool
Date Published: April 2000
isbn: 9780521452571


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a reply to: punkinworks10

I heard its a part of your five a day and a part of a balanced healthy diet

I was looking into the possibility of perhaps superheating the granite to more than 300 degrees C, and then pouring water onto it. And I stumbled on to this fun fact:

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Apparently the melting point of wet granite is 950 degrees C at sea level. The melting point of copper is 1084 degrees C.

So, if they could make a fire hot enough to melt copper, it would also be hot enough to melt wet granite.

If you look at some of the images of the granite casing stones of the pyramid of Menkaure, the texture of some of the unfinished stones looks a lot like unfinished drywall.

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There are other pictures where you see hand holds that were probably going to be smoothed off, like in the 7th pic on this site.

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But the ones that look like unfinished drywall are interesting. If they heated it, and then smoothed it with a trowell like you do when making concrete, that's about how the surface looks (I worked in concrete for a few months and that is similar to what it looked like before getting fully smoothed out.)

After that, they would probably let it cool and then polish the surface with diorite "pounders" (Which i doubt they actually "pounded" with, as opposed to scraping with.)

That would also explain the weird vertical marks on the giant obelisk at Aswan.

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If the stone were softer at the time of cutting, then you'd go at it with some kind of scraping tool and get marks like that, just like when a child tries to smooth out a flat surface on a piece of play dough.


1000 degrees C is also not outside the range of temperatures Ancient Egyptians were known to use when firing pottery.

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As much as I would enjoy discovering it to have been a previous culture that cut the granite, I'd be just as happy to arrive at a reasonable explanation for how the AE could have done it.

They didn't do the cutting with diorite pounders/scrapers. They'd lose too much diorite. (And then we'd need an explanation for how they managed to make enough diorite pounders/scrapers, and what material they used up in that process. A "Turtles all the way down" kind of problem would begin to emerge. )


The extremely high "drill feed rate" rules out any likelihood of doing the cutting by use of a copper tube drill and abrasive with no additional help. Even modern drills can't get a feed rate of 0.1 inch per revolution. Not without softening the material somehow first.

They might have employed both of those methods, but not for the whole process. Not without a way to soften the granite first.

A couple more interesting things:

1 - Modern granite cutter uses a 1000 degree torch to cut granite. (The article doesn't say whether that is farenhiet or celcius).

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The AE could make 1000 degree C fires for sure.... , but I don't know if they could direct a 1000 degree cutting flame. That might be a bit much, since they didn't really have any materials that could withstand that temperature. But still interesting.


2 - It is possible to superheat water without putting it under pressure. Happens all the time when people microwave water in a container that is too smooth.

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However, it doesn't usually happen on stoves. Not saying a careful artisan couldn't get it to, though.

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous
I was looking into the possibility of perhaps superheating the granite to more than 300 degrees C, and then pouring water onto it. And I stumbled on to this fun fact:

www.chegg.com...

Apparently the melting point of wet granite is 950 degrees C at sea level. The melting point of copper is 1084 degrees C.

So, if they could make a fire hot enough to melt copper, it would also be hot enough to melt wet granite.

That might melt some of the constituent minerals in granite, but granite is very high in silica in the form of quartz crystals. Those crystals melt at around 1700 C.
Source

Harte

a reply to: Harte

You can melt granite you get obsidian when you do.But wouldnt really be good at cutting it.

a reply to: LitriumGem
No doubt some pyramid tombs were carved out of some natural mountain or hill, but it would of been considered sacrilegious to build out of stone blocks, inter the Pharoh and then start dumping rubble right on top of a chamber after internment. With workers walking all over the site as the pyramid went higher.

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originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: Harte

You can melt granite you get obsidian when you do.But wouldnt really be good at cutting it.

Not really a problem though, is it?
I mean, all you have to do is use copper chisels, pounders and rubbing stones to get all that basalt off the surface.

Harte

The AE didn't have glass for true Freznel lens, but I wonder if you can do the same thing with mirrors?

According to wiki, gold is a good reflector for Infrared light, if you want to heat something up. I suspect copper probably is too, because like gold it doesn't get the higher "blue" end of the visible spectrum, but its frequency band isn't mentioned in the article.


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The AE had to have mirrors of some kind or another, because there isn't really any other explanation for how they got light down into the tombs in the valley of the Kings to do their carvings. (Unless you favor "light bulb" theory, which is more keeping with ATS spirit.)

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous


The AE didn't have glass for true Freznel lens, but I wonder if you can do the same thing with mirrors?

According to wiki, gold is a good reflector for Infrared light, if you want to heat something up. I suspect copper probably is too, because like gold it doesn't get the higher "blue" end of the visible spectrum, but its frequency band isn't mentioned in the article.


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The AE had to have mirrors of some kind or another, because there isn't really any other explanation for how they got light down into the tombs in the valley of the Kings to do their carvings. (Unless you favor "light bulb" theory, which is more keeping with ATS spirit.)

The AEs, having used oil for lighting for centuries, knew how to make oil smokeless well before they started entombing pharaohs in the Valley of the Kings.

Plus, smoke residue washes off the ceilings and walls.

Harte

If they were skilled in the use of oil burning, I wonder how far a stretch it would be to go from there to a blow torch?

Apparently blow torches are how modern granite artisans shape granite. (Bringing back the previous link about the guy teaching granite working to students)

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I found an interesting discussion on different ways ancient people handled soldiering. I don't if the required temperatures could be reached to do what the granite shaper in the above link is doing or not, though.

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a reply to: bloodymarvelous

Interesting theory

I need to look into that one

a reply to: bloodymarvelous

Having spent half of my life working I'm in construction one thing I find preposterous is that there is nothing left behind that shows how they were built

Such a massive massive 100,000 construction had to require planning among other things

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous


The AE didn't have glass for true Freznel lens, but I wonder if you can do the same thing with mirrors?

According to wiki, gold is a good reflector for Infrared light, if you want to heat something up. I suspect copper probably is too, because like gold it doesn't get the higher "blue" end of the visible spectrum, but its frequency band isn't mentioned in the article.


en.wikipedia.org...


The AE had to have mirrors of some kind or another, because there isn't really any other explanation for how they got light down into the tombs in the valley of the Kings to do their carvings. (Unless you favor "light bulb" theory, which is more keeping with ATS spirit.)

There are quotes in old books especially Arabic writers about glass tubes being found inside pyramids and people being struck down some times with robots if they are not of good heart .

Some of the statues need a good look at what appears to be Granite is only a thin covering and sometimes rye bar can be seen , i have seen a few videos over the years that point this out . it is a theory of mine they softened stone somehow maybe spraying it first because everything is just too neat for bashing away with rocks and chisels


Found this picture of the Mayans that i think is about stone working
maybe Edward Leaskin would understand it