Liberals- I want your solutions to the migrant caravan situation.

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: pointessa

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: pointessa

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: and14263

originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: and14263

Additionally, aren't there enough jobs (types of jobs that nobody wants to take) to go around now?

More baiting.

No baiting, I was asking a legit question.

Don't mind him, InTheLIght. The guy is very angry and is just trying to cause mindless bickering.

Well it's interesting to dig deep to find out where the anger comes from.

Good, luck!!!!!

Well, I believe I already know where all the anger comes from, so he may be right that I am baiting him/her at this point.

That shows some good insight and honesty on your part, Inthe light. I have a feeling you are a really decent person.

a reply to: pointessa

They already exist, or what do you think where the minors get seperated from their families. The fence is already pretty strong I don't know where they'll attempt to cross, do you? Holding them back might prove impractical. The humane thing to do is bring them somewhere where they have access to water at least, while they wait for their fate to be decided.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: pointessa

Yea lots of people did back then but on boats. My grandfather was shoved into a random boat by his parents and told him to say hes meeting his uncle. Thing was, his uncle was just a random contact they made during the war. And he never made it to the US he landed in Canada.

You honestly think everyone who came from Europe and other places were all legal? You didnt even need immigration papers back then, and if you had a strange name they'd just give you one.

Maybe I am naive on that point. Sounds like I am. I bet it was really interesting to talk with your uncle. What an amazing life.

originally posted by: Zrtst
a reply to: pointessa
Not a progressive, but we need to find out what is happening as the mob moves through Mexico...are they continuing to grow, picking up more people? How is the Mexican govt working to give these people passage without remaining in Mexico? If we can answer these questions, our solution is to provide safe passage for the mob, attempt to facilitate additional members, and keep them headed North without peeling off into US communities all the way to the Canadian border for assimilation into their country.

The point I have a problem with is allowing a huge mass of people to willfully break the law. There are huge implications for what that will mean. I have already brought up a bunch of points why that is a bad idea.. part of me would love to see the oh so liberal government of Canada deal with this. In fact, I don't know why they aren't welcoming them.

originally posted by: sligtlyskeptical
First off most liberals do not want open borders. Just because a few of them do, does not extend that to the whole Democratic party.

What to do? Arrange with Mexican government to establish camps where these people can file for asylum before entering the USA. If they try to cross deal with them just like you deal with other immigrants who try to cross illegally. With the latest numbers of 14,000 that is less than 20% of the people that signed up to attend the Trump / Cruz grandstanding show, so not much of a threat to our nation. To put it in perspective Obama was deporting 1100 illegals daily, so we are talking about 2 weeks worth of deportations if they all make it here. Of course Trump is deporting much more slowly than Obama so we can expect this number of people to take about 6 months to be deported.

The problem I have with your well thought out idea is that they are not asylum seekers, they are looking for jobs. I think your idea is well thought out, and I absolutely love the perspective that you give us. Your idea could actually work. This is where I get idealistic. I don't think there should be any applications taken at the border under duress. Applications should be filed in the country of origin, that would eliminate so much trouble. However, you work with what you have and I think you have a valid concept.

originally posted by: KnightFire
I say we direct them to the gulf of Mexico where they are greeted by large ships of luxury. Load them on-board, then drop them off in Russia. Problem Solved.

They wanted colder weather, well, give it to them. Just not in the U.S. where they would be a burden on the people who work hard to have good lives, and where liberals think my hard earned money is theirs to give away.

We have enough poverty in the U.S. that is out of control, adding more to the pile, doesn't make it better. Also, sending our money to other countries in-lieu of cleaning our own house first, is ridiculous.

Why not boat them back to shore nearest home??? Why Russia???

originally posted by: usernameconspiracy
We have asylum laws in place that make this caravan perfectly legal. If they request asylum, they are allowed entry and will receive an asylum hearing. Only about twenty percent will be granted asylum, the others will be sent back to their counties of origin.

Trump is either ignorant of this country's immigration laws or is pandering. I suspect both.

Once again, these are not asylum seekers, they are job seekers. Big difference.

originally posted by: Kryties

originally posted by: usernameconspiracy
We have asylum laws in place that make this caravan perfectly legal. If they request asylum, they are allowed entry and will receive an asylum hearing. Only about twenty percent will be granted asylum, the others will be sent back to their counties of origin.

Trump is either ignorant of this country's immigration laws or is pandering. I suspect both.

Trump knows what he's doing in this instance. He's bald-faced lying to his supporters about the "legality" of this refugee caravan - knowing that most of his supporters are too stupid to go look the laws up themselves.

If that is true, do you think it's the first time this tactic has been used. That is , in fact, the face of all politics in the US. Nothing new there.

originally posted by: JustaBill

originally posted by: Kryties
If the Trumpets got their way the refugees would be lined up and shot dead. They have zero regard for human life.

How many are you volunteering to take in your home?

What efforts have you taken to this point to ensure those in the caravan have ample supplies to make it safely?

Where do you plan to meet this caravan, once they arrive at the border, to hand out food supplies and water you purchased with your own funds? Do you plan to live stream you doing this?

Now let's see how much you care for human life and this caravan!

JustABill, I like the way you think!!!! That is what I have been attempting to do..look at this realistically, not some dreamy idealism littered with virtue signalling. I spent a lot of years doing that myself until I saw the futility of it.
My hope was to try to get folks to look at it the way you are, realistically. Thanks.

originally posted by: Muninn
a reply to: JustaBill

He is not even from the u.s but claims to know what's best for Americans.

No, he is not claiming anything, he is reasoning out the problem.

originally posted by: narrator
Seeking asylum is a perfectly legal thing to do. Therefore, instead of fighting against them, we should preemptively set up some form of lodging for them to stay in (tents? don't spend a ton on it, just make sure they're safe), and then give them their asylum hearing (again, that's a perfectly legal thing they're asking for).

While I'm not a Democrat, I lean further left than most on this site. The issue with the border is one of the biggest points of contention I have with conservatives. Speaking generally, Conservatives would like to keep America as "American" as possible. Follow the words written by the founding fathers, don't change the constitution, etc. The founding fathers were immigrants! And/or the direct children of immigrants! Immigration is one of the MOST American things possible. Everyone is welcome. Then why is it that most people who want to "make America great again" are completely against this very American thing?



I know, I know, "illegal immigration isn't American!" But, that isn't what these folks are doing. It's very apparent that they're seeking asylum. That IS NOT illegal immigration. That's exactly what the founding fathers did. They didn't like the policies of their country, so they immigrated somewhere else. (Let's leave out for now that they stole this country from the Natives, that's a different discussion).

I truly don't understand the argument of turning them away, nothing they are doing is illegal. Some people mentioned shooting them? That's insane.

"Give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free" - Emma Lazarus (on the Statue of Liberty)

"Screw that! Go home, freeloaders!" - The majority of US Conservatives.

You're all acting very anti-American right now.

I sound like a broken record, they are not seeking asylum, they are looking for jobs. Your point is well taken regarding the constitution. Why couldn't they apply at their country of origin? I have no problem with immigration, just barging through countries illegally to do it.

originally posted by: narrator

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: and14263

Indeed. I read through much of this mess and you are just about the only conservative to call out this thread for what it really seems to be. I see that you have piqued OP's scorn yet have responded civilly thorough out. Thanks.

Agreed. Multiple posts of "why haven't any liberals commented yet? I'm waiting" doesn't really ring true of wanting to hear real solutions. Maybe I'm wrong. But it doesn't sound genuine.

I am now finding some really good solutions..not that I personally agree with them, but they are well thought out.

originally posted by: mikell
So nothing yet. No libs with any answers, no leaders willing to speak up??

There are now some well thought out ideas.

originally posted by: Kryties

originally posted by: narrator

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: and14263

Indeed. I read through much of this mess and you are just about the only conservative to call out this thread for what it really seems to be. I see that you have piqued OP's scorn yet have responded civilly thorough out. Thanks.

Agreed. Multiple posts of "why haven't any liberals commented yet? I'm waiting" doesn't really ring true of wanting to hear real solutions. Maybe I'm wrong. But it doesn't sound genuine.

Anyone with two eyes in their head and half a functioning brain can see that this is nothing more than a bait thread designed to lure "Liberals" in to be abused and insulted, as is the norm these days unfortunately.

Actually, this is a pretty polite thread. I have not insulted anyone, I have found liberal ideas that make a lot of sense and even though I might not agree with them, I have not insulted anyone. As far as I can see, I , the OP , am the only one that has been insulted.

a reply to: pointessa

Hahaha so you cannot articulate an answer and defensively blame me for your nonsense.

This thread is a typical example of you people getting sucked into a roundabout of nonsense.

originally posted by: Kryties

originally posted by: mikell
So nothing yet. No libs with any answers, no leaders willing to speak up??

I guess in the next sentence you're going to deny this is a bait thread?

If you don't like this thread and you feel I am just trying to create conflict, you can go to another thread. Actually, conflict wasn't my point at all.

originally posted by: JustaBill
a reply to: Kryties

Oh please feel free to participate. It shows just how full of crap you are. I enjoy reading how you care so much for these people, but have done nothing to support their cause. So please continue with all your efforts.

I also enjoy how you condemn this so called "bait" thread, but can't prevent from being like a bottom dwelling sucker fish and taking the bait. So by all means continue.

How's that for understanding. Eat up!

I do wonder why people who repeatedly claim that a thread is crappy keep coming back, it's not like it's the only thread on the forum. Now if they try to make it better, that's another point.

originally posted by: pointessa

originally posted by: usernameconspiracy
We have asylum laws in place that make this caravan perfectly legal. If they request asylum, they are allowed entry and will receive an asylum hearing. Only about twenty percent will be granted asylum, the others will be sent back to their counties of origin.

Trump is either ignorant of this country's immigration laws or is pandering. I suspect both.

Once again, these are not asylum seekers, they are job seekers. Big difference.

The irony is that these "job seekers" are coming to this country waving the flag of their own country and chanting "Down with Trump!" Who do they think made the policies that allowed those jobs to exist here for them to chase in the first place?

I suppose if we let them overthrow Trump and install someone like Ocasio-Cortez, all the jobs will dry up and they'll soon move on like the locusts they are because they will have destroyed their goose.

originally posted by: wantsome
America takes in 40,000 immigrants a month what the hell does 7000 matter? Ronald Reagan granted millions of people mass amnesty back in the 80's. I'm more pissed off at the corporations that exploit foreign slave labor in India and China then people wanting to come to America for a better life.

It is not the number. It is the situation. Lawlessness that is now center stage for the world to see simply cannot be tolerated. Go back and apply for citizenship. Try to see the bigger picture, think about what allowing this level of lawlessness implies.

a reply to: ketsuko

According to this New ATS thread and article, a second caravan has already begun to amass to follow this one.

So, it would be nice to know where liberals would actually draw the line?

Edit add: Or is it that liberals just assume they will easily immigrate north into Canada after America fails?