International Rescue why we need it !

Maybe it is time to hang a few Saudi princes up and do some fleecing to fund this i could think of a few more the public would like to see contribute


SPARE SOME CHANGE GOV

That's why we have freeways. While employed by the US army, one US president and his platoon was assigned the task of crossing from one side of the USA to the other. That journey took over 56 days given the state of vehicles and country roads at the time. In contrast, in the 1930's, Germany had Autobahns that allowed vehicles to travel across the country at over 70 mph. The equivalent journey in the USA to get from one side of the continent to another, would only take 48 hours.

There are also are various emergency services that can be transported in regular shipping containers. These include medical services, fire fighting and computer server rooms. Even office desks:

Medical services (ER, dental, clinical)
www.clinicinacan.org...

Data centres:
www.datacentermap.com...

Fire fighting system:
www.alibaba.com...

Office desk in a container:
portshippingcontainers.com.au...

Chinook helicopters can be used to transport containers, though it is easier to transport them by road.

a reply to: stormcell

When you look at a small incident like a oil rig blowing up off-shore and see how long that takes to get under control as has happened in the USA and UK in the past .

Now imagine that on a colossal scale where the sea floor goes or a massive blow out of some kind or even Fukashima . the oceans would die very quickly and with fukashima we just do not hear about it any more but it still spews out hundreds of tonns of water per day 7 years later .

And nobody thought to freeze it on site and ship it to the Antarctic

originally posted by: stonerwilliam
a reply to: stormcell

When you look at a small incident like a oil rig blowing up off-shore and see how long that takes to get under control as has happened in the USA and UK in the past .

Now imagine that on a colossal scale where the sea floor goes or a massive blow out of some kind or even Fukashima . the oceans would die very quickly and with fukashima we just do not hear about it any more but it still spews out hundreds of tonns of water per day 7 years later .

And nobody thought to freeze it on site and ship it to the Antarctic

I know about Piper Alpha as I was in Aberdeen at the time. A mother several houses up from us lost her husband. The problem back then was that there were emergency cut off valves that could have shut down the pumps on the mainland that were pushing oil through to the mainland. But these weren't activated because management feared they would be held responsible for loss of revenue. That decision making had to be delegated to automatic cutoff systems. Inspections are now done by the HSE rather than the Department of Energy.

The reactor cores of Fukushima was so highly radioactive that no-one can go near them. Even electronic machines break down under the radiation.

a reply to: stormcell

I worked on the Tharos many moons ago doing a re-fit , imho they should tunnel under Fukushima and set off a H- bomb and vaporise the thing then pour as much concrete as possible

interesting this video about life in the army , all happy campers ,

a reply to: stonerwilliam

Youre dreaming..

I am a 1st Responder....EMT/Advanced Disaster Life Support/FEMA/Dept.of Homeland Security...go bag in car 24/7-365 days a year for the last 10 years.

The world is not an animated Thunderbirds or X-Men movie.The whole world has different politics, religions, belief systems, ideologies...and the rest don't give a crap.

It's nice you have an idea...but the real world is not Netflix, sadly.

We may someday see it but never, ever, ever will it happen until the entire world comes together, race, creed, color, politics in acceptance of everyone of them as 1.

Maybe in 50-75 yrs...but doubtful. A lot of the world doesn't care..doesn't believe, won't accept any help from a multi-national Super X-Men and crews of rebuilders.

EMT/ERT
ADLS
FEMA/D.H.S
I.C.S.-Incident Command System

a reply to: stonerwilliam

Existing fire brigades, military aid and ambulance services fight with each other.

Surely another emergency service would just confuse things further.

Perhaps all the rescue groups could dissociate themselves from any particular country and unite under a single chain of command?

originally posted by: mysterioustranger
a reply to: stonerwilliam

Youre dreaming..

I am a 1st Responder....EMT/Advanced Disaster Life Support/FEMA/Dept.of Homeland Security...go bag in car 24/7-365 days a year for the last 10 years.

The world is not an animated Thunderbirds or X-Men movie.The whole world has different politics, religions, belief systems, ideologies...and the rest don't give a crap.

It's nice you have an idea...but the real world is not Netflix, sadly.

We may someday see it but never, ever, ever will it happen until the entire world comes together, race, creed, color, politics in acceptance of everyone of them as 1.

Maybe in 50-75 yrs...but doubtful. A lot of the world doesn't care..doesn't believe, won't accept any help from a multi-national Super X-Men and crews of rebuilders.

EMT/ERT
ADLS
FEMA/D.H.S
I.C.S.-Incident Command System

That is what this thread is about dreaming because dreamers sometimes accomplish things somebody might read this thread and do something positive and not be a puppet ! .

It is about what people could achieve if given the chance without /politics/religion/and or race and al that other jazz the world has to throw at us on a weekly basis , what humans could do together if the military industrial complex was stood down from a war footing even for 3 years and with all the natural disasters happening over the years why this would be a good idea it would promote peace among the nations and take care of a problem like the report from Iron Mountain outlines of highly trained people Not stacking shelves at Walmart


Are you pensioned off at 55 like some first responders in the UK are , thrown to the wind thanks but no thanks attitude when all that years of service and experience are getting lost , when they could volunteer for a stint training and working for the greater good ( pay is by crowd funding ) everyone wins and instead of playing stupid war games against imaginary enemies the people tasked with manning this Organization go to real crisis ! around the world ,80-150.000 thousand soldiers , sailors, airmen, Engineers are given 1 year rotas , instead of National service it is called World service , i think you would be surprised at what people could achieve if given the chance and a little bit of competition as fun .

What we have now is not fit for purpose and should be re-worked as we need to think bigger and what if . the public would soon come on board , look how easy they raise hundreds of thousands for a tramp on the road with a sob story and a go fund me page

Positive mental thinking mysterioustranger

a reply to: chr0naut

This would not be just another emergency service it would be a idea , and you know that ideas can grow like mighty Oaks from just a little seed like fire in the minds of men !

Americans have Star trek while us Brits have red-dwarf we are cheap gits at the end of the day everything is done on a shoe string budget and in a shed by someone called Norris. or Bert we were so good at solving problems they once called us Great when our backs are to the wall .

Thunderbirds came out in the 60s the biggest rockets to date were built at the same time and men went to the moon on them famous F1 engines ,Concord flew and the English electric lightning was at mach 2 and the U2 was hitting the air as was the blackbird and where are we 50 years later the grand scheme of things .


The best we have to offer is the ISS station 195 miles away from us no moon bases nada that we know about and only Elon Musk managing to land rockets on a barge makes me want to be young again ,

If you have a serious emergency like an earthquake, everything will be uncertain. Which roads are still usable? Which warehouses storing supplies are still functional? Which parts of the mobile phone networks, electricity, water and sewage lines are still functional? Who needs water pumped out? Who needs rescuing from rubble? Who needs food?
Buses are needed to evacuate people. Trucks and lorries are needed to deliver food, water and medical supplies.

All of this can't be repaired until we know what the damage is. That can only happen once roads are cleared, so that repair crews can restore power lines and mobile phone masts. Sometimes it is only when the roads are cleared and isolated villages are reached that this is known. Heavy lifting gear always seems to be the item most needed - mainly due to all the collapsed concrete buildings or fallen trees. Maybe mobile phone masts could be made more damage tolerant. Cold war bunkers had telescopic masts that would retract into an underground bunker and push their way back out after the nuclear strike.

Most governments and army bases do store long term emergency supplies like MRE's, water bottles, tents, clothes and other supplies.

a reply to: stormcell

Spread among all the aircraft carriers maybe 4 groups [ nuclear powered ] , one to each corner of the globe along with hospital ships and floating oil rig platforms , barges and fire fighting water scooping planes , think big < the puppets did and nothing was impossible

And a crew of 100-200.000 on the first year

The World Food Programme (WFP) grain stored in the mills — enough to feed 3.7mn people for a month — has been inaccessible for over five months and is at risk of rotting,

More than 10mn Yemenis stand at the brink of starvation.

www.gulf-times.com...

originally posted by: stonerwilliam
Way back in the 1960s out came a children's cartoon series Thunderbirds en.wikipedia.org...(TV_series) ,I loved Saturday mornings watching it as they saved people anywhere in the planet in need of rescue and all those gizmos were just super cool to a young kid , Maybe a young Elon Musk caught a episode en.wikipedia.org...
Now a lot older and none the wiser i am left thinking every time something bad is going on somewhere, Be it Earthquake or tsunami or what ever the puppets just seemed to do it better and quicker than real humans .
Should respective Governments be forced into giving over a percentage of their military to a organisation like the puppets had instead of playing stupid war games every year like they do , leading to whales , Dolphins etc being washed up on on the shores .
How many carrier groups have the American government have ! and need ditto the UK .
Fire fighting planes etc always needed and a way to keep service personnel in the loop and who would not love to CROWD FUND that one and get Governments to play nice with each other all at the same time ,
When a disaster strikes anywhere on planet Earth a rapid response force would be ready to go instantly , with most of it public funded and the rest a % of each militarises budget put into the fund we already have this in orbit as the ISS

well you might be older, but i have to put a big question mark as to if you are any wiser after reading this.

thing is thunderbirds (and by the way, if you don't know, they are making the TV series again), is completely unrealistic. and i do mean completely unrealistic. but what do we expect, it is after all a kids show. seriously, the way it goes is something happens, someone, or a very few people are in danger. l rescue squad on the way, from thousands of miles away. with todays technology that is in use for many of those seconds count rescues, it would take them 12 hours at a minimum to arrive. long after said people are already either rescued by local people, or dead.

since you mention fire fighting aircraft. just look at the petitions in Canada recently to send some of Canada's fire fighting aircraft to Australia, to help with their forest fires. (yes there really were petitions going around to do this). yet it was completely unrealistic, just like this idea is. looking at the stats of the aircraft named in the petition those aircraft were no even capable of making the journey from Canada to Australia. if you put them on ships, you would be looking at a few weeks to get there. yet they really are not capable of flying there on their own. not with a range of 2,000 km (and especially since they are not set up, for air to air refuelling). in fact the only way to get them to Australia would have been to leave Canada, fly to Alaska, and then follow the coast from Russia down into Asia, cross over to the Philippines, and island hop to Australia, landing for fuel and maintenance, every 2,000 km (are their even airports every under 2,000km to do so?).just how long would that epic journey take? and how many aircraft would be put out of action along that route due to maintenance issues caused by pushing the aircraft so far beyond what they are really made for? the real answer of course is that if Australia needs such aircraft, they need to buy them ahead of time. and thus have them ready.

even IF we had t he technology to send a team halfway around the world in a couple of minutes, just how much fuel (and cost as well as pollution), does it even take the thunderbirds to go out and rescue one or two people? tens of thousands of dollars worth of fuel to rescue one or two people is not anywhere near efficient. certainly such a thing is not anywhere even near cost effective. and with the human caused climate change hysteria how can you even suggest such a major contribution to pollution?

to be anywhere even near effective, you would have to have tens of thousands of people and equipment spread out all over the world. oh wait, we already have that. it's called police, ambulances, fire departments, as well as things like armed forces and national guard units already in place. things already paid for by local governments with their tax dollars collected from their citizens. and unlike the silly TV show, these already in place services can handle hundreds, even thousands of victims of disaster, not just the one, two, or perhaps 20 people the thunderbirds are able to rescue at a time.

oh look a tsunami is heading for Las Angeles, call the thunderbirds. awesome the thunderbirds save 20 people in the city of Las Angeles from dying, too bad 20,000 others died from lack of help.

well I thought it was a good idea …
not bad for a 2yo
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well I thought it was a good idea …
not bad for a 2yo
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well I thought it was a good idea …
not bad for a 2yo
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well I thought it was a good idea …
not bad for a 2yo
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