Cherokee Nation Issues Statement Regarding Sen. Warren

originally posted by: CajunMetal
So the DNA test proved that she did have NA lineage, thereby supporting her family claim.

No, not even a shred. They didn't even use the right test for Cherokee.

1,1024 of some DNA that is not white is what they found.....

a reply to: burntheships

I didn't realize that these DNA tests were relying on such a limited database.

I was under the impression they had more to work with.
And I admit I'm a little confused at why they don't have more samples from Cherokees to utilize for comparison.

originally posted by: burntheships

originally posted by: CajunMetal
So the DNA test proved that she did have NA lineage, thereby supporting her family claim.

No, not even a shred. They didn't even use the right test for Cherokee.

1,1024 of some DNA that is not white is what they found.....

Pretty sure you can't test for Cherokee, friend, or any specific tribe. It showed strong evidence of native ancestry generations back.
I'm not saying that's a claim anyone can stand on, mind you, I think it's ridiculous to claim native heritage the way she has.

a reply to: CajunMetal

a reply to: CajunMetal

They used a test with samples from Mexico, Peru, and Columbia.

That is in the Boston Globe story....

So they really did not test her for Native American....

originally posted by: muzzleflash
a reply to: burntheships

I didn't realize that these DNA tests were relying on such a limited database.

I was under the impression they had more to work with.
And I admit I'm a little confused at why they don't have more samples from Cherokees to utilize for comparison.

Someone probably does, this person did not use that DNA.

Here is the exact wording, makes you wonder why they even did this?

“To make up for the dearth of Native American DNA, Bustamante used samples from Mexico, Peru, and Colombia to stand in for Native American.”

www.bostonglobe.com...

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: LSU2018

congrats.. I have a jeep too. It also says its a Cherokee but its not white its navy blue.

Is there a point you are making?
I dont name my vehicles but sometimes I call them names.

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That's the point whizzing past your head.


Sadly, I have a feeling you're actually being serious.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Tanga36

why does their opinion matter? DNA doesnt lie.

Did you really just say the opinion of the Cherokee Nation doesn't matter? And someone actually gave your comment a star. SMDH

a reply to: Freeborn

I'm an Irish-German-American with 68% of my DNA being Irish.

originally posted by: CajunMetal
Who said it was supposed to determine which tribe? Her mom told her growing up that she was part whatever tribe, right? So the DNA test proved that she did have NA lineage, thereby supporting her family claim.

It's like if I saw one of you shoot somebody with a revolver and later the cops found gunpowder residue on your hand. The residue test supports my claim and proves you shot a gun recently, not what type of gun.

No, no it's not like that at all. She's not even remotely part Cherokee. The test looked for it and said 1/1024th. To put that into perspective, it's less than the scale of a Micro Machine (remember those?) to an actual pickup truck.

a reply to: Jonjonj

I wish I could take the credit for it. My CPA came in here earlier laughing about it so I had to look it up. It was too good not to post.

a reply to: LSU2018

Irish-German-American

Surely you're either one or another?

Every one of my Grandparents were from Ireland.....I'm English, end of.
Pretty simple.

But I have no desire to derail the thread.

My point is that most Americans who allege some allegiance to the Irish-American title, or something similar, rely on information passed on down to them from parents, Grandparents etc.
Those claims in most cases are probably as accurate as Senator Warrens whose claims were reliant on similar information passed down to her.

People seem to be wanting to ridicule her for those claims....are they as quick to ridicule those who state they are Irish-American etc?

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Tanga36

why does their opinion matter? DNA doesnt lie.

But people do.

1/32 to 1/1024th NA.

There's no point in claiming it as its relatively nonexistent, unless your looking for special treatment.

originally posted by: Khaleesi

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Tanga36

why does their opinion matter? DNA doesnt lie.

Did you really just say the opinion of the Cherokee Nation doesn't matter? And someone actually gave your comment a star. SMDH

Well, to play Devil's Advocate -

The "Cherokee Nation" is a political body and as far as I'm concerned, the weight of political opinions is very lacking. Who knows what kinds of influences a political body like this is pressured by.

And just assuming their opinion has weight because of their ethnicity or their lineage is foolish. That's like saying "Well I am descent from England so therefore my opinion on English politics outweighs your opinion simply because you are of Spanish descent." It's completely illogical when it comes to validity or veracity values.

I personally have a strong documented history of standing up for the rights of Native Americans and am 1/8th Cherokee so - that has no bearing on the validity of my comments above. I could be full blooded Cherokee and my "opinions" about a scientific determination do not gain validity. Either I am right or I am wrong, and that's based on sound reasoning not on political or ethnic association.

a reply to: Freeborn

First, I don't hyphenate my Americanism. I don't really think people ought to.

But, I bet most of the people saying they are Irish-American can trace direct lineage to an Irish immigrant. Perhaps through Ellis Island many generations back. Those families held their Irish-ness together in communities of other Irishmen/-women. Their Irishness remained relevant to the families, and it continued to be passed down. So a person of limited genetic "Irishness" may conceivably still identify as "Irish" through family tradition. Presumably, those people (like myself) can trace their lineage to a specific ancestor. For example, I can trace two sets of great-grandparents (maternal and paternal) as 1st generation immigrants from.the same country. They spoke the language and settled in towns where the newspaper had a daily edition in English and their native language. In one case into the 1980's. I heard a lot of the language growing up from great-grandparents and grandparents. So again, presumably most of the people claiming strong family ties to being "Irish" have something to base it on. The ones who do not are indeed dufuses. If a name like "O'Toole" isn't anywhere in your lineage to your knowledge, and you can't name one irish person in your lineage but still claim to be "Irish", just drop the "O'" because you're a tool.
There are no benefits beyond March-kissing that are generally extended to the Irish population in the US.

Which is clearly not the case here. Here, we have "allegedly" family lore that her mom had to elope because she was part Cherokee, and Warren claims she is a Native American with zero validation or even claim of where the blood comes from. A minority group which is afforded certain privileges for their status.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: LSU2018

Irish-German-American

Surely you're either one or another?

Every one of my Grandparents were from Ireland.....I'm English, end of.
Pretty simple.

But I have no desire to derail the thread.

My point is that most Americans who allege some allegiance to the Irish-American title, or something similar, rely on information passed on down to them from parents, Grandparents etc.
Those claims in most cases are probably as accurate as Senator Warrens whose claims were reliant on similar information passed down to her.

People seem to be wanting to ridicule her for those claims....are they as quick to ridicule those who state they are Irish-American etc?

I did a test earlier this year and the results came back that I was 68% Irish and 17% German. However, even if I could use that ancestry to my advantage in college, I wouldn't. Warren did, she made money off of claiming she's a Native American, she's not. Not even close. This is as bad as Rachel Dolezal being the president of an NAACP chapter and claiming to be black, only to be called out by her family as being white.

I just Trump would release his saying he's 1/512 Native so he would be twice.

Anyway

I just Trump would release his saying he's 1/512 Native so he would be twice.

Anyway

a reply to: Tanga36

My mom looks a lot more like a Native American than Warren, is 1/4 Cherokee, and still isn't officially recognized by the Cherokee Nation because the proper documentation is hard to come by, and I believe something to do with escaping the trail of tears and name changes. But my grandfather's father was a "full blooded" bear hunting with a knife Native America. We know this. You can clearly see the physical characteristics on my mom and uncle and definitely could my grandfather. Heck, I look more like one than Warren, and I'd only be 1/8.

My point is if the proper channels to be included in the Cherokee Nation prevent them and they accept it, then what sort of crack is Warren smoking to think she's so special?

originally posted by: Tanga36

There are so many great points in your post that I'm still trying to absorb them all. I agree, there is more than enough evidence to say that they traveled here and were not "indigenous" as we understand the word to mean. The info has yet to reach the masses, though. Those in control, control the story. Only what they want to come out, comes out.

Might as well say first... and if the actual first died off then I guess they don't count... In this case I would say 15,000 years ago was the first...