Ron Paul: "You get 'harassed and rushed off' if you disagree with liberal elements"

i liked what Rand said at Trump Rally in Richmond Kentucky

a reply to: Aazadan

Apologies, if I say something Like Trump and Clinton, I am referring to their respective parties also, and in general government because they are the ones who are the government.

So you only care about the will of the people? I'm down with that, after all that is what government is there to enact. Or supposed to be, we know the reality is different.

So if
25% vote for Republican
25% vote for Democratic
and
50% voted for neither.

That would mean the majority will of the people the president is nobody? Would you support that?
A Brewster Millions style 'None of the Above!'

Good to see even 30 odd years since this film was made nothing has changed. Probably still be the same in another 30 years.


What's your views on seemingly needing to be Rich and from a good private school to be a politician?

We have the same problem here. Wealthy private school boys whose only real experience is a degree in public speaking and being on the debate team?

I feel being a politician should be like applying for any job.
You want to be minister for the environment? Then you must have experience and qualifications in natural sciences. Maybe you're a biologist or was a park ranger for 20 years.

Minister of Technology? Some kind of IT experience required, like real IT experience. Not the CEO of some crappy ISP and nothing else. But someone who actually know's their CPU's from their GPU's.

I think the problem is not only is the whole so called democratic 2 party system is broken, but we employ the wrong people to hold the seats they hold.

Would an auto repairer hire you to rebuild engines despite not being a mechanic simply because you have a lot of friends on facebook?

You can't become a brain surgeon based solely on how popular you are on instagram and tumblr and the size of you bank account.

Politics should be no different imho.

So that's the two main concerns for me.
Getting rid of the current 2 party system that is clearly corrupted and self serving.
Get rid of just being rich and knowing the right people to hold a seat.

Just do not understand how so few can hold sway over so many. that the many regardless of affiliation are all unhappy with those few, but won't put aside their difference to come together to deal with those few properly.
e.g drag them out of office and tell them to not come back.

Kind of crazy the stupid # that prevents the people from working together to right the wrongs everyone faces.

As if Ron Paul hasn't been harrassed and rushed off.

And that was definitely not from liberals lol.

originally posted by: Quadrivium
a reply to: CriticalStinker

Liberals are adults that have never fully matured mentally. Somewhere between the ages of 13 and 17 their mentality stopped developing and they are stuck at that awkward state between puberty and adulthood.
They are very much like the headstrong teenager whom thinks they know better than the wiser more experience parent and rebel when things don't go their way.

Or that indeed they are literally that age, as liberals tend to be young and vice versa, in 5 years there can be an influx of new ideas or "liberalism" meanwhile those older struggle, not to come up with new ideas, but to retain as best they can those ideas that they already have established and obviously completely have figured out.

originally posted by: AtomicKangaroo
So if
25% vote for Republican
25% vote for Democratic
and
50% voted for neither.

That would mean the majority will of the people the president is nobody? Would you support that?

There's more than two candidates on the ballot. There's also candidates for all sorts of positions, not just President. So, no.

What's your views on seemingly needing to be Rich and from a good private school to be a politician?

You don't, it does help though and I see no problem with that. You ideally want successful people in power. Obama wasn't even a millionaire until after he was elected (he made a lot of money off his book), but he did have a good career, some experience, and was intelligent. That's what it should take.

Average people shouldn't be in politics.

I feel being a politician should be like applying for any job.

Most of these positions are management positions. They have very little to do day to day with the sector they're overseeing.

a reply to: Aazadan
Well stated

a reply to: Aazadan

So If I have a high IQ, am a good problem solver, know my stuff, but make minimum wage and only had up to a public high school education, could possibly make for a good 'leader', better than those we currently have, yet don't come from old money I shouldn't have a shot at being a politician because I could be considered by some to be 'average'?


And yes I am generalizing here because I write enough in most of my posts without listing every specific level of government to boot.

I dunno, just seems we've had the type of leaders you say we should have and none of them seem to have been all that great at the jobs for quite some time now.

Just kind of seems crazy when it seems that everybody is unhappy on all sides that we would want to keep doing things the same way and expect it is going to change.
Maybe time to try something new perhaps? Maybe we could do with some average for a change. A person who knows what it is like to live pay check to pay check.

But hey, that's just me.

originally posted by: AtomicKangaroo
So If I have a high IQ, am a good problem solver, know my stuff, but make minimum wage and only had up to a public high school education, could possibly make for a good 'leader', better than those we currently have, yet don't come from old money I shouldn't have a shot at being a politician because I could be considered by some to be 'average'?

Well, IQ is a meaningless construct that can't even figure out how to define what it's measuring, so that being high doesn't mean anything. If you make minimum wage you don't know your stuff. You might understand your field, but you clearly don't understand how to advance in it.

And yes. You should be in the 1% (of everything) at minimum to be a politician. The same goes for any other position of authority. If you're not good enough to do something as simple as that, then you're not good enough to be in charge of others.

Maybe time to try something new perhaps? Maybe we could do with some average for a change. A person who knows what it is like to live pay check to pay check.

People living paycheck to paycheck have very bad financial management skills, that's not what we need in government.

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Wookiep
We all need to listen to Ron Paul. He was in Congress nearly 30 years and he knows what's up. If the left and their fake "ows" movement (the start of the sjw movement) hadn't hijacked him, in collusion with the fake media (Fox being a major contributor) I think we would be on a much better path to success.

With that said, let's not hope Trump fails.

Then he left Congress, took a whole bunch of money from Russia, and now speaks out as an anti American defector on RT.

The man is a traitor.

He took a ton of money from Russia? I'd like to see evidence of that. I think he goes on RT a lot because they don't belittle him how the MSM does to Trump, much like they did to Paul in 2012.

Im not saying RT isn't biased or even looking out for Russian interests, but they sure as Hell have provided a more truthful and non partisan view to journalism compared to the U.S. media.

originally posted by: Wookiep

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Wookiep
We all need to listen to Ron Paul. He was in Congress nearly 30 years and he knows what's up. If the left and their fake "ows" movement (the start of the sjw movement) hadn't hijacked him, in collusion with the fake media (Fox being a major contributor) I think we would be on a much better path to success.

With that said, let's not hope Trump fails.

Then he left Congress, took a whole bunch of money from Russia, and now speaks out as an anti American defector on RT.

The man is a traitor.

He took a ton of money from Russia? I'd like to see evidence of that. I think he goes on RT a lot because they don't belittle him how the MSM does to Trump, much like they did to Paul in 2012.

Im not saying RT isn't biased or even looking out for Russian interests, but they sure as Hell have provided a more truthful and non partisan view to journalism compared to the U.S. media.

Where do you think his campaign contributions came from? The amounts donated are very out of line for the amount of support he had. It's because Russia was giving him money.

a reply to: Aazadan

BS. I very clearly watched him get $ from hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of grass roots supporters and Russia had nothing to do with it. The reason Paul lost was because of Super-Pacs (that Paul did not have, he had a LACK of funds which Russia did not provide) MSM lies rigged polls, and a rigged election by the GOP. The establishment wanted Romney sooo bad. I was there during the rallies, I participated in them. You're making # up out of thin air.

Weren't you here in 2012? You're ignorant af.

But go ahead show proof of your BS claims. I'll be waiting for it.

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Wookiep

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Wookiep
We all need to listen to Ron Paul. He was in Congress nearly 30 years and he knows what's up. If the left and their fake "ows" movement (the start of the sjw movement) hadn't hijacked him, in collusion with the fake media (Fox being a major contributor) I think we would be on a much better path to success.

With that said, let's not hope Trump fails.

Then he left Congress, took a whole bunch of money from Russia, and now speaks out as an anti American defector on RT.

The man is a traitor.

He took a ton of money from Russia? I'd like to see evidence of that. I think he goes on RT a lot because they don't belittle him how the MSM does to Trump, much like they did to Paul in 2012.

Im not saying RT isn't biased or even looking out for Russian interests, but they sure as Hell have provided a more truthful and non partisan view to journalism compared to the U.S. media.

Where do you think his campaign contributions came from? The amounts donated are very out of line for the amount of support he had. It's because Russia was giving him money.

Bet ya can't show any "Russian" $$$ coming to Ron Paul.

💥💥😃💥💥

originally posted by: Quadrivium
a reply to: Aazadan
Well stated

Damn....
You ever misread a post and wish you could take your comment back??.............

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Wookiep

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Wookiep
We all need to listen to Ron Paul. He was in Congress nearly 30 years and he knows what's up. If the left and their fake "ows" movement (the start of the sjw movement) hadn't hijacked him, in collusion with the fake media (Fox being a major contributor) I think we would be on a much better path to success.

With that said, let's not hope Trump fails.

Then he left Congress, took a whole bunch of money from Russia, and now speaks out as an anti American defector on RT.

The man is a traitor.

He took a ton of money from Russia? I'd like to see evidence of that. I think he goes on RT a lot because they don't belittle him how the MSM does to Trump, much like they did to Paul in 2012.

Im not saying RT isn't biased or even looking out for Russian interests, but they sure as Hell have provided a more truthful and non partisan view to journalism compared to the U.S. media.

Where do you think his campaign contributions came from? The amounts donated are very out of line for the amount of support he had. It's because Russia was giving him money.

Bet ya can't show any "Russian" $$$ coming to Ron Paul.

💥💥😃💥💥

Bet you can't show there wasn't any.

originally posted by: Wookiep
a reply to: Aazadan

BS. I very clearly watched him get $ from hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of grass roots supporters and Russia had nothing to do with it. The reason Paul lost was because of Super-Pacs (that Paul did not have, he had a LACK of funds which Russia did not provide) MSM lies rigged polls, and a rigged election by the GOP. The establishment wanted Romney sooo bad. I was there during the rallies, I participated in them. You're making # up out of thin air.

Weren't you here in 2012? You're ignorant af.

But go ahead show proof of your BS claims. I'll be waiting for it.

The money didn't line up with how many people were supposedly supporting him in 2008 or 2012. His cash intake, particularly in 2008 was higher than any other candidate while his support was only among a vocal fringe group

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Wookiep
a reply to: Aazadan

BS. I very clearly watched him get $ from hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of grass roots supporters and Russia had nothing to do with it. The reason Paul lost was because of Super-Pacs (that Paul did not have, he had a LACK of funds which Russia did not provide) MSM lies rigged polls, and a rigged election by the GOP. The establishment wanted Romney sooo bad. I was there during the rallies, I participated in them. You're making # up out of thin air.

Weren't you here in 2012? You're ignorant af.

But go ahead show proof of your BS claims. I'll be waiting for it.

The money didn't line up with how many people were supposedly supporting him in 2008 or 2012. His cash intake, particularly in 2008 was higher than any other candidate while his support was only among a vocal fringe group

I guess you weren't paying much attention in 2008. Do you not realize that Ron Paul received the largest donations in a single day than any other grass roots campaign did prior in 2008? It was literally coined as a grass roots revolution.

Did you know that it was Ron Paul who started the liberty movement which transformed into the tea party movement then was later hijacked by the likes of McCain and Sarah Palin? You think you're gonna fool ME with your crap?

Show the proof or stfu.

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Wookiep

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Wookiep
We all need to listen to Ron Paul. He was in Congress nearly 30 years and he knows what's up. If the left and their fake "ows" movement (the start of the sjw movement) hadn't hijacked him, in collusion with the fake media (Fox being a major contributor) I think we would be on a much better path to success.

With that said, let's not hope Trump fails.

Then he left Congress, took a whole bunch of money from Russia, and now speaks out as an anti American defector on RT.

The man is a traitor.

He took a ton of money from Russia? I'd like to see evidence of that. I think he goes on RT a lot because they don't belittle him how the MSM does to Trump, much like they did to Paul in 2012.

Im not saying RT isn't biased or even looking out for Russian interests, but they sure as Hell have provided a more truthful and non partisan view to journalism compared to the U.S. media.

Where do you think his campaign contributions came from? The amounts donated are very out of line for the amount of support he had. It's because Russia was giving him money.

Bet ya can't show any "Russian" $$$ coming to Ron Paul.

💥💥😃💥💥

Bet you can't show there wasn't any.

No the burden of proof is on YOU since you're the one making the accusation. Do you seriously not get how this works? Guilty until proven innocent when Aazadan says so? Ffs.

originally posted by: Wookiep

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Wookiep
a reply to: Aazadan

BS. I very clearly watched him get $ from hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of grass roots supporters and Russia had nothing to do with it. The reason Paul lost was because of Super-Pacs (that Paul did not have, he had a LACK of funds which Russia did not provide) MSM lies rigged polls, and a rigged election by the GOP. The establishment wanted Romney sooo bad. I was there during the rallies, I participated in them. You're making # up out of thin air.

Weren't you here in 2012? You're ignorant af.

But go ahead show proof of your BS claims. I'll be waiting for it.

The money didn't line up with how many people were supposedly supporting him in 2008 or 2012. His cash intake, particularly in 2008 was higher than any other candidate while his support was only among a vocal fringe group

I guess you weren't paying much attention in 2008. Do you not realize that Ron Paul received the largest donations in a single day than any other grass roots campaign did prior in 2008? It was literally coined as a grass roots revolution.

Did you know that it was Ron Paul who started the liberty movement which transformed into the tea party movement then was later hijacked by the likes of McCain and Sarah Palin? You think you're gonna fool ME with your crap?

Show the proof or stfu.

And you don't find that donation size suspicious at all when he only had 20% of the support of the main candidates?

a reply to: Aazadan


Ron Paul was the first candidate I ever donated to. The energy surrounding his campaign was amazing, and yes, the grass roots effort resulted in a lot of people just like me donating, that is people that normally wouldn't. My in-laws actually worked on his campaign.


I think it's a bit like the Trump phenomenon, here is someone who is going to do things differently, here may be a catalyst for change. It's very unfortunate what happened to him, but illustrates perfectly the real game in politics. He is the only candidate I would have voted for as president, can't see myself doing the lesser of two evils nonsense.

originally posted by: artnut
Ron Paul was the first candidate I ever donated to. The energy surrounding his campaign was amazing, and yes, the grass roots effort resulted in a lot of people just like me donating, that is people that normally wouldn't. My in-laws actually worked on his campaign.

I liked Ron Paul too, but in hindsight his donations do not match up with the support he got. Something is fishy there, and we know what the Russians were doing. We also know that both him and his son do work for the Russians now.

It pains me to say it, but Ron Paul is not clean.