Do you really want the United States to be ruled by Conservative Trump style Republicans ?

originally posted by: manta78

originally posted by: sooth
The other day I said I was considering voting for Trump in 2020 because the left had gone completely off the rails. As soon as I hit reply I threw up in my mouth a little. Then I started thinking, the time has never been more right for a third party movement. A moderate third party movement. In the past when we tried to go third party is was always some fringe group that was a little too far to move for most centrists, so they always stayed marginalized and never gained any ground on the two major parties.

Now, however, it is the two major parties themselves that have moved too far toward the extremes and are essentially marginalizing themselves. So that begs the question - why don't the people who are slightly left of center and the people slightly right of center and everyone else in between join forces, create a new moderate party and keep the democrats and the republicans in the margins where they belong?

For the first time it might be possible for a moderate third party to form and potentially even have just as many if not more voting power than the two major parties.

So why is no one talking about this? Is it just because people like being told what to do and how to think too much to change?

It's time to leave the Leftist Authoritarian Party and the Grand Ossified Party behind us.

Here's an excellent article on that topic titled: "Here's How Third Party Candidates Have Changed Elections"
and subtitled: "America's Two Party Political System Makes It Difficult for Candidates Outside the Republican and
Democratic Parties To Win Presidential Elections"

www.history.com...

Would really like an this, but the two existing parties have such huge monetary contributors and of course endorsements from sitting Republicans and Democrats that the odds are stacked against them. They would have to skate in the middle and while it could appeal to the public getting backing in congress would be a nightmare if elected. Eliminate the lobbyists and seriously curtail financial contributions would be a start. Not to mention how the media moguls would spin it, it would take an exceptional candidate that would get ignored initially from the media, and hounded by both sides if they were to campaign and become viable. Really think Presidential campaigns are too long and costly they need to be a 4-6 month process with more debates and less rallies to give a less financed campaign a chance.

a reply to: ntech

You don't honestly believe that the GOP will, in a majority, support term limits, do you?

A few years back, Washington state's 5th congressional districts congressman was Speaker of the House Tom Foley. The majority of us decided it was time for him to come home permanently...so we elected George Nethercutt (more fools we) to replace him. One of his grandious campaign promises was, you guessed it, Term Limits.

At that time, Washington state also passed an initiative compelling term limits. By a huge margin.

Would you like to guess the very first thing our boy Nethercutt did upon being sworn into office?? Yep, he helped file suit in Federal court to have the initiative overturned.

His time in Congress lasted one term. Thing is, he wasn't even remotely alone in that...

A term limits bill would never get out of committee, much less passed, in either House, much less both.

The only way that ever gets done, is by Constitutional amendment. Which will have no support in Congress, either. The only term limits that will ever come to pass, are those that are enforced by the voters.

originally posted by: AlienView
The coming election will determine the future of the United States for years to follow.

If the Republicans win in House and Senate elections Trump and those who have supported him will say 'we told you so'
- Americans want us and not the Liberals of the past.

Do you want this? - Does Donald Trump and his solidly Conservative base represent you?

He doen't represent me - Yes I was one of those Hillay haters that supported him in the last election.

But he lied - He came across as an independent - An outsider battling the consumate insider politcal establishment.

But his years in office so far has shown that Trump is a solid conservative Republcan who represents big money and big business.

So people who consider themselves to be independents, liberals who sometimes vote Republican - It is time for you to come out in force and vote solidly Democratic - Don't give the Republicans any more power than they already have.

Of course if you are alreay rich and don't give a damn about anyone else - this does not apply.

No way. Never going to happen.

I'm voting my very first 100% GOP ballot this year.

I've been an Independent since 1989 when I turned 18 and could vote.

The left is unhinged and have completely lost touch with reality. They don't care about the people at all. All they seem to care about recently is the forced introduction of socialism, and their twisted version of justice. And I'm not having any of it.

I don't like it. I don't like that they've removed my only other viable choice. But in response to them going over the edge, I'm forced to vote them out. When they regain some kind of common sense, I'll vote for them again. But not with the current crop of hardcore leftists in control of the DNC now. never.

a reply to: AlienView

So who are you gonna vote for?

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: visitedbythem
What the heck are you talking about?
How many years was Trump a Democrat? 90 % of his life? He just became a Republican. as far as I know. He is like the old school Democrats that stood against abortion on demand. Actually I like that about him. He sees abortion as murder.

He said he was 'very, extremely pro-choice,' in 1999, and stated that if he was president, he would not even want a ban on third trimester partial-birth abortions.

Link

I honestly don't understand how a person could pivot from that extreme position to the position that abortion is murder...and keep a straight face. I don't believe Trump has any personal convictions regarding abortion.

Trump explained his views on abortion many times. He was more pro-choice, even though he did not like the idea of abortion. Then he had a close friend who had an unwanted pregnancy, and almost had an abortion. They ended up having the baby, and now have so much love for the baby that it breaks their hearts that they almost chose to not have it. That made Trump re-think the value of life, and since then has been pro-life.

I think that in the beginning he was like many today. They see the need for abortion, but also see how evil it is. It is a conundrum. (My personal feeling is that it is totally evil and needs to end.)

Many in these posts have been saying that they wish we had a good independent choice, or something in the middle. In our current system, I believe Trump is about as middle/independent as we can get.

Trump is not really conservative or Republican. Right now he supports Republican because the left has gone nuts and is going to destroy our country. I believe that he really wants this country to be better. That's all he wants. He does not care about politics for any purpose other than as a means to that end.

a reply to: Alien Abduct

"So who are you gonna vote for?"

Last election, Presidential 2016, I voted straight Republican and for Trump.

Now, and possibly for no other reason, but the reasons I've stated about letting Republicans gain too much power,
I will vote straight Democratic.

You see with no real intelligent 'middle' of the road' and the parties living in a constant state of war with few, if any good
ideas to agree upon - you have to vote to keep their dickheaded idiocy from getting out of control.

As someone said earlier, and as annoying as it is to see constant gridlock, until real statesmen [or stateswomen]
appear - The American political system is dysfunctional and often dangerous. We have to vote to keep it under control

a reply to: AlienView

He is making the country stronger,to run a country you need outside revenue,and as far as big buisness,after 1934 they own all the assets in the US,they bought them,gives us at least a chance

originally posted by: MRinder
I don't believe Donald Trump is a Republican. The Republican party is a useful, necessary vehicle for now. His goal is to set us free from globalists. There are globalists in both parties. You could never crack the heads that need to be cracked and be a Democrat because they are too sensitive and feelings based.

Donald Trump is exactly what we need and in order to support him you must support Republicans... For now.

Of all the posts in this thread, this is probably the closest to the truth. And besides defeating globalism, the unemployment rate and lower taxes are nothing to sneeze at anytime soon, crumbs or not. Finally, if anybody running against the Republicans has ANY type of platform (outside of identity politics and hate), I would certainly consider that agenda, the possibility of implementing it, and if it would help my family and my community. Figure the odds of that latter happening since I live in ”flyover” country.

I disagree with your assessment of Trump and his time in office. I don't think he lied about being independent. I think he is at heart but he also knows that he won't get anything done with out some support in congress and she sure as hell won't get it from the left.

As for feeling represented by staunch republicans my answer is no but I feel more aligned with them than I ever will with liberals on so very many things. The main reason for that is I have watched liberals melting down for years now and I am tired of it. I will never be on that team.

Look at liberals right now today. Its all about resisting. Yet they say its the republicans that are divisive and hurting the nation. "We are going to resist you, everything you do, and everything you stand for because YOU are divisive."

I don't think that word means what they think it means...

a reply to: AlienView

There is no place in my life for politicians who rank every thing and everyone based on gender, race, orientation, etc., and then based on those checkboxes decide a person or policy's worthiness for anything and everything in life.

That is what the modern left has become.

Democrat party and politicians are 100% garbage right now. Republican party and politicians are 50% garbage right now.

So I vote the party that is less garbage. Sad truth.

a reply to: AlienView

Apart from your OP being shortsighted and shallow, there's no point trying to counter your argument because you've already made your mind up, and have apparently lost the clarity you held for the 2016 election.

The problems leading up to the 2016 still exist, and that is why Trump and Republicans continue to be of utmost importance going into the mid-terms. It's actually not about the economy or money or our enemies right now (if it was, you'd hear a different tune from the MSM - but they aren't even bitching about it because it's going so smoothly).

It's still about corruption and cleaning up & taking back our government. If you think voting for the party that installed the individuals that have stomped on YOUR constitution for the last 8 years is the right move - you need to look in the mirror. Not to mention the socialists they are trying to champion.

Get Real!!!

a reply to: AlienView

The problem isn't the liberals of the past, it's the liberals of the present. We want JFK style politics, we would love that. But he was killed off for a reason. Cya deepstate.

As long as there are stories like this in the news......cause you know we "care" about women and victims...
www.breitbart.com... -an-hour/

Ever Martinez-Reyes, a 24-year-old illegal alien from El Salvador, allegedly followed a 36-year-old mother of two to her home, knocked her unconscious, then repeatedly raped her for an hour, investigators say, according to Newsday.
The alleged assault and rape occurred in the sanctuary city of Nassau County, which refuses to turn criminal illegal aliens over to the Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agency for deportation.

This person shouldn't even have been in the country.
The sanctuary city stuff is just madness.

Nassau county sure does care about women.....

a reply to: AlienView

So nothing he's done has helped you? I'm a middle class tax payer and I've yet to be hurt by this president that you claim is only here to represent big money and big business. The small family owned business I work for has given every employee a raise and put in place a system that gives automatic raises annually. I've never been better and neither have they.

So where exactly, may I ask, do you get your information from?

originally posted by: AlienView
The coming election will determine the future of the United States for years to follow.

If the Republicans win in House and Senate elections Trump and those who have supported him will say 'we told you so'
- Americans want us and not the Liberals of the past.

Do you want this? - Does Donald Trump and his solidly Conservative base represent you?

He doen't represent me - Yes I was one of those Hillay haters that supported him in the last election.

But he lied - He came across as an independent - An outsider battling the consumate insider politcal establishment.

But his years in office so far has shown that Trump is a solid conservative Republcan who represents big money and big business.

So people who consider themselves to be independents, liberals who sometimes vote Republican - It is time for you to come out
in force and vote solidly Democratic - Don't give the Republicans any more power than they already have.

Of course if you are alreay rich and don't give a damn about anyone else - this does not apply.

I don't trust any government, but one thing I do know is that the democrats are really dangerous with their identity politics, hate mongering, lack of common sense and brain washing certain groups into believing they are victims to maintain the welfare state and their voting base. So, yes, I would rather have Republicans at this point, and I used to be about as far left as it got until the degeneration and ridiculous hyposcrisy started.

originally posted by: underwerks
Of course. Why wouldn’t I vote for Trump?

He’s saving the environment [.....]

He’s taken big money out of politics [.....]

He’s made America the leader of the world [.....]

He tells the truth [.....] which is something no other president has ever done.

He calls out losers [......]

[.....] he has a smoking hot wife [.....]

I think the choice is pretty clear..

I couldn't agree more. MSNBCNN satire removed.

a reply to: BlueJacket

Democrats are so desperate for a win that now they say the founding fathers' Constitution doesn't represent the world today and elections should be based on popular vote.

These people are actually ignorant enough to publicly say the Constitution shouldn't matter anymore. Did you ever, EVER, think we'd see a political party say something like that in our lifetimes?