Will Christine B Ford Be held accountable? perjury obstruction making false claims FBI results?

a reply to: TheJesuit

Not from the left and if you need evidence of this look at the outrage and demands for justice faded away when Roy Moore (I think that was his name) was accused to diddling a woman in her teens or whatever it was they spent hour after hour on shows like Anderson Cooper, and other CNN talking heads (MSNBC etc) and when he lost they didn't make a peep about it. This will die as soon as the coming election is over and she will fade away only to be remember every once in a while when someone passes her in the street looking at her with a confused expression and then ask "Hey aren't you that Dr. Ford woman?" and she'll quickly say "No. No not me, just got one of those faces".

C'mon we both know how the media works lol.

a reply to: Dwoodward85
I assume the new justice system of “ guilty until proven guilty “ does not apply to the left?

originally posted by: SaturnFX
You're claiming she lied...do you have proof of this?

Yes, the last few weeks in general.

originally posted by: TheLead
a reply to: TheJesuit

Unless they have background texts confirming it was a political hit job there isn't much they can do. In a case like this intent actually matters, you have to prove it was for malicious purposes.

The FBI should investigate! Start with Feinstein. No limit to scope. Go back 40 years if necessary.

originally posted by: SaturnFX
You're claiming she lied...do you have proof of this?

People want more investigation, right?

What do you say if she lied about polygraphs, or if people come forward with information that she may have planned all this.

He/she said isn't a lie since she had nothing to collaborate a single allegation of hers kind of like if I said, I saw big foot, kit is hard to suggest I didn't see it if there isn't any information one way or the other, but I think there was some damning information out of Michell's questioning.

what about the two dudes who "confessed" they were the ones who abused her?

or, the guy who tried to pin it on someone else.

I want to hear from these douches.

"republicans will believe Hillary ran a sex trafficking ring out of a pizza place but won't believe a woman who passed a polygraph."

lol

originally posted by: knoxie
"republicans will believe Hillary ran a sex trafficking ring out of a pizza place but won't believe a woman who passed a polygraph."

lol

Did she pass one? The whole polygraph thing might get her in deep trouble...She couldn't remember the day, seems only two questions were asked, the report was never released to the Senate, and Mitchell asked a good number of questions about if she ever helped anyone beat one, or talked to people about how to beat a polygraph...

I think this may be the one thing that shows perjury, but then no one would touch that with a 10 foot pole...You know the whole "we need to believe her even if she is lying " thing...

originally posted by: TheJesuit
Will She be held accountable since nothing can be verified or corroborated- 36 years it took her 36 years to come forward right before a judge was to be elected to the supreme court ? That's obstruction and After what she put the American people / Everyone through should She be held accountable? for libel, lying, and obstruction? Along with all her co conspirators???

The whole thing was a sham, they knew it, and our tax dollars were spent on bull# , how about a refund??

ACCOUNTABILITY for actions Just saying!

Not proving the claims true (mostly because they didn't even try) is not the same thing as proving the claims false. So no, she will not be prosecuted for it. And it would be a very bad thing for rape victims if we did start prosecuting them for speaking up, since over 90% of accusations don't get proven true.

originally posted by: Dwoodward85
a reply to: TheJesuit

Not from the left and if you need evidence of this look at the outrage and demands for justice faded away when Roy Moore (I think that was his name) was accused to diddling a woman in her teens or whatever it was they spent hour after hour on shows like Anderson Cooper, and other CNN talking heads (MSNBC etc) and when he lost they didn't make a peep about it. This will die as soon as the coming election is over and she will fade away only to be remember every once in a while when someone passes her in the street looking at her with a confused expression and then ask "Hey aren't you that Dr. Ford woman?" and she'll quickly say "No. No not me, just got one of those faces".

C'mon we both know how the media works lol.

Lawsuits against Roy Moore are still going on, he's on the verge of filing for bankruptcy due to legal bills.

originally posted by: projectvxn

originally posted by: SaturnFX
You're claiming she lied...do you have proof of this?

Yes, the last few weeks in general.

What's the motive to lie? There's literally no outcome here that doesn't lead to a conservative court.

If Kavanaugh is defeated, there's a whole list of already vetted judges that are ideological clones of Kavanaugh that could be nominated and pushed through during the lame duck period. The end result is the same thing.

Furthermore, Republicans are likely gaining seats in the Senate in November. With a new Congress people can be nominated again, which means that if Trump is dead set on Kavanaugh, and he failed his nomination, he could be nominated again in January, 2 years away from the next election, with Republicans holding more power in the Senate, and then they could confirm him then under much less scrutiny. At which point he would probably pass with 65ish votes.

Even the longshot scenario of Kavanaugh being defeated, any other nomination being delayed, Democrats taking the Senate, and Democrats refusing a hearing on any potential nominee for the next two years in a repeat of the Garland fiasco, leaves the court in a deadlock which sends rulings back down to the lower court... a court system where conservative federal judges are being seated left and right, thanks to Obama getting almost 0 appointments during his 8 years. So any ruling will still go through conservative ideology.

It's literally a no win scenario for Democrats no matter how Fords allegations turned out, or the result of a reaction to Kavanaugh. Conversely, it's a no lose scenario for Republicans.

So, since we've established that the outcome of the allegations don't matter, what is the incentive to lie?

originally posted by: Xtrozero
I think this may be the one thing that shows perjury, but then no one would touch that with a 10 foot pole...You know the whole "we need to believe her even if she is lying " thing...

Polygraphs are not legally admissible in court (because they're pseudoscience nonsense), so they cannot show perjury.

a reply to: Aazadan

If Kavanaugh is defeated, there's a whole list of already vetted judges that are ideological clones of Kavanaugh that could be nominated and pushed through during the lame duck period. The end result is the same thing.

My thoughts are on the consequences of destroying a man and his family for political bull#. Not whatever this is. ^

In her testimony Ford said that she wrote the original letter in Rehoboth Beach. Someplace around here is information showing that McClean lives in Rehoboth Beach. This implicates McClean in the creation of the letter.

Ford's ex said in a sworn statement that he witnessed her helping McClean prepare for her polygraph test for her job with the FBI. Ford said in her testimony that she never helped anyone. All of Ford's answers to the polygraph questions were suspect. How does a psychologist not know how a polygraph works? She also said they asked many questions, but evidence shows that only 2 were asked.

She testified that she flew frequently, yet was afraid of flying. Ford's ex said in his sworn statement that she is not afraid to fly.

She testified that in therapy she told them her second door was due to trauma. Her ex said that she lived in a small home with one door for a long time, and never mentioned such a fear.

There was a random Twitter post saying that the person knew Ford, and she had joked long ago that she should accuse Gorsuch of rape. Of course this can not be proven, but it should be investigated.

Her social media, criminal records, etc. were for some reason purged after she wrote the letter but before she went public. This was in spite of her saying that she never intended to go public.

The witnesses she claimed were present deny ever being there.

All of this, and more, when combined with lack of facts, make this whole thing look like a planned lie. She needs to be investigated.

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: TheLead
a reply to: TheJesuit

Unless they have background texts confirming it was a political hit job there isn't much they can do. In a case like this intent actually matters, you have to prove it was for malicious purposes.

The FBI should investigate! Start with Feinstein. No limit to scope. Go back 40 years if necessary.

That would be way more then what they did to investigate Kavanaugh... But given what they did to the Clintons, I could see it. Rules for other just not the GOP.

a reply to: Aazadan

The goal of the whole thing was to keep the seat open until after mid-terms. Dems are counting on taking control of Congress. They want to either impeach Trump, or at least keep the Supreme Court seat open until the next presidential election.

That is a powerful reason to manufacture lies. This was critically important to Democrats.

a reply to: Pyle

6 prior investigations wasn't enough?

originally posted by: projectvxn
My thoughts are on the consequences of destroying a man and his family for political bull#. Not whatever this is. ^

How was he destroyed? He got the job, had he not gotten the job he would have remained a federal judge. Criminal charges were never going to come from this.

Personally speaking I feel her 'fundmyFup' should be ceased and distributed to women's programs that deal with helping domestic abuse & rape victims.

Ms. Victim should be made accountable if by nothing more than a fine, a loss of her teaching credentials and anything else that would be pertinent.

And the dems that put together this $hi7 show should be removed from their offices/posts & held accountable criminally.

originally posted by: BlueAjah
a reply to: Aazadan

The goal of the whole thing was to keep the seat open until after mid-terms. Dems are counting on taking control of Congress. They want to either impeach Trump, or at least keep the Supreme Court seat open until the next presidential election.

That is a powerful reason to manufacture lies. This was critically important to Democrats.

No they aren't. Dems are counting on taking control of the House. The most likely scenario is that they further lose seats in the Senate. There are 25 Democrat and only 9 Republican seats up for election in the Senate this time around. In order to take control of the Senate they need to win 28 out of 34 races, and most of these races are in red/purple states, there are few easy wins here (fortunately, Trump is destroying the Republican brand). It's not impossible, but the odds are only around 10% right now, and falling. The most likely outcome is that they win 23 or so and the Republicans come out of the midterms with 54ish in the Senate and Dems take the House.

As such, the scenario you described as happening, was only 10% likely IF Kavanaugh could be delayed, and IF someone else wasn't pushed through in the lame duck period. Basically, it was never a realistic outcome.