Rockafeller, CFR, Free Masonry, Sumerians...

Originally posted by MysticOfRadiance
i cannot enlighten you

Finally! FINALLY! Some TRUTH is posted. Thank God. I was beginning to worry.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

Thanks Muss-tic of Irradiance! I needed a good laugh.

Originally posted by akilles
Anyone want to turn this into a:
Why Were Freemasons Involved In The American War for Independence and French Revolution thread?

Is someone going to post that Napoleon was anti-Masonic, and that I'm following his conspiracy theories?

They sure were Uber-Political in those days, but let me guess, no planning was done in Lodges?

Since Napoleon was a Freemason, that is unlikely. Ben Franklin, Geo. Washington, Beethoven, Mozart, Bach, Mark Twain, are a few other names you might recognize who were lodge members.

Gotta love the "Ignore the argument, attack the lack of links posted" tactic.

You guys can tell me about Masonry today and I MIGHT believe you, but why should I believe a Masonic version of history, that everything was done 'because it had to be done'?

The French Revolution, War of Independence, Civil War...
The TWO Killing of the King rituals...
The Fall of Joachim and Boaz...

And then they write the text books that gloss over such tidbits.

But then, if you can get everyone to fight, and disagree over the past, doesn't that show who controls the present?

Originally posted by akilles
You guys can tell me about Masonry today and I MIGHT believe you, but why should I believe a Masonic version of history, that everything was done 'because it had to be done'?

I guess a more important question akilles, is, why should any of us really CARE whether you believe us or not.

Originally posted by akilles
Gotta love the "Ignore the argument, attack the lack of links posted" tactic.

Akilles:
Sometimes we don't want to dispute your claim. We just want to know why we should believe what you are claiming. Me personally, I would believe every word of what you said if you presented credible, conclusive proof of it.

By the way: Welcome back! MWAHAHA!

I can't make any man care for Life or for Truth.

Tell me, is there twin pillar/tower symbolism in Freemasonry?

Were the twin towers owned/built by an extremely wealthy Freemason?

#, I think if people knew they were built to be symbolically destroyed no harm could come from that. Other than what has already been caused. But the ends have justified them.

Originally posted by akilles
I can't make any man care for Life or for Truth.

Tell me, is there twin pillar/tower symbolism in Freemasonry?

Were the twin towers owned/built by an extremely wealthy Freemason?

#, I think if people knew they were built to be symbolically destroyed no harm could come from that. Other than what has already been caused. But the ends have justified them.

Here we go again...

Sow we're back to the old "Freemasons were behind 9/11" again? Well I guess I can look at the bright side: at least you aren't attributing natural disasters to them.

I don't know, you tell me, akilles, was the WTC built and owned by a Freemason? Facts please, not BS hot air.

Originally posted by The Axeman

Originally posted by akilles
Tell me, is there twin pillar/tower symbolism in Freemasonry?

Were the twin towers owned/built by an extremely wealthy Freemason?

#, I think if people knew they were built to be symbolically destroyed no harm could come from that. Other than what has already been caused. But the ends have justified them.

Sow we're back to the old "Freemasons were behind 9/11" again? Well I guess I can look at the bright side: at least you aren't attributing natural disasters to them.

That's pretty low of you, Akilles.


I guess I shouldn't be surprised.



[edit on 1-3-2005 by sebatwerk]

What???

All I said is Freemasons might find symbolic meaning in it.

That it was destroyed by explosives, why I didn't say that at all.

Why would I implicate all of worldwide Freemasonry if it could quite easily be an irregular lodge that only uses Freemasonry's symbolism in its acts.

"The Rockefellers originally wanted to name the towers after themselves, but the former mayor of NY, John Lindsay, insisted on the World Trade Center."

With the help of his brother, Nelson Rockefeller, the governor of New York state at the time, David Rockefeller got The Port of New York Authority involved. It profits from its ventures, and is not tax-funded, and it had the unfortunate task of EVICTING all those in the proposed building site.

Took a few years, but nothing you can't do with the help of some friends.

Its funny now to read about all the problems they had getting it built in the beginning, if for no other reason than you don't often hear people criticize the towers because they:
"The two towers cast immense shadows that blocked sunlight to thousands of other buildings downtown and darkened streets"
"The site plan destroyed a fine-grained network of downtown streets, leaving a poorly-connected superblock and ERASING scores of historic buildings."
"The towers were variously labeled banal, grandiose, boring, dreary, grim, vacuous gross abstractions, and objects of extreme hubris."

Hubris, that means extreme pride. So extreme hubris sounds about right.

Originally posted by akilles
All I said is Freemasons might find symbolic meaning in it.

That it was destroyed by explosives, why I didn't say that at all.

Why would I implicate all of worldwide Freemasonry if it could quite easily be an irregular lodge that only uses Freemasonry's symbolism in its acts.

Low.

You know, at this point I'm not even surprised. I'm glad you're a critic of Freemasonry, it makes all you antis seem that much more ridiculous and unbelievable. In essence, you're doing the Craft a favor and for that I encourage you. I was actually quite sad when you got banned from this site and your posts deleted. Glad you're back


[edit on 1-3-2005 by sebatwerk]

Regardless, could we address Pillar symbolism in Freemasonry?

I think people would be interested.

Originally posted by akilles
Regardless, could we address Pillar symbolism in Freemasonry?

I think people would be interested.

yes sounds interesting, on a seperate but similar note, did the lord of the rings film titles have anything to do with 911?.



[edit on 2-3-2005 by MysticOfRadiance]

Originally posted by akilles
I can't make any man care for Life or for Truth.

And herein lies the problem. You obviously cannot read. I LOVE life and I LOVE truth. I asked why we would care what YOU believed. That has nothing to do with "life" and "truth" So what's your point here (like there IS one)

Tell me, is there twin pillar/tower symbolism in Freemasonry?

There are the columns Jachin and Boaz of King Solomons Temple...but last time I checked (which was recently) they had NOTHING to do with anything in New York City.

Were the twin towers owned/built by an extremely wealthy Freemason?

Honestly, I have not idea WHO built OR owned them. But if it was built and owned by a Freemason, what's the point here?

#, I think if people knew they were built to be symbolically destroyed no harm could come from that.

OK, at the risk of getting my first warning here, I'll say it. You're a complete MORON if you think that the twin towers were A: "built to be symbolically destroyed" and were B: "symbolically destroyed" akilles, in case you missed the footage, they were COMPLETELY and REALLY destroyed. Thousands of innocent people lost their lives. There was NOTHING symbolic about it. But, in keeping with this (yet again) idiotic thread....WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH FREEMASONRY?????????? (Since you think the towers were "symbolically" destroyed, I'll answer for you. NOTHING)

Other than what has already been caused. But the ends have justified them.

Oh, so destroying the towers and murdering innocent people is "justified" Guess that tells us a lot.

the two towers, return of the king, who is this king they refer to? who has yet to arrive?, is it the creator or in freemasonry called the great architect of the universe?.

how does this tie in with rising frequency's?, and why now after billions of years.

god is in the detail.




[edit on 2-3-2005 by MysticOfRadiance]

[edit on 2-3-2005 by MysticOfRadiance]

Originally posted by akilles
Regardless, could we address Pillar symbolism in Freemasonry?

I think people would be interested.

Interested in what? Two brazen pillars symbolic of the two pillars that adorned the entrance to the Temple of King Solomon? OK, I've addresses them, now what's your point? ANSWER ME!

And be careful what you say, you might get banned from this site again, and have all your posts removed.




[edit on 2-3-2005 by sebatwerk]

Originally posted by MysticOfRadiance
the two towers, return of the king, who is this king they refer to? who has yet to arrive?, is it the creator or in freemasonry called the great architect of the universe?.

SIGH, "The Two Towers" was the name of the second book in the Rings trilogy, written in the 60's... looooong before 9/11 ever happened. Don't you ever get tired of this?

Originally posted by MysticOfRadiance
the two towers, return of the king, who is this king they refer to? who has yet to arrive?, is it the creator or in freemasonry called the great architect of the universe?.

how does this tie in with rising frequency's?, and why now after billions of years.

god is in the detail.

OK I'll take a whack at it.

"The Two Towers" refers to the two towers in the story, i.e. the tower of Saruman at Isengard, and the tower of Sauron's castle in Mordor, with the great eye on top. Have you even read the books?

The king referred to in "The Return of the King" is Aragorn, a descendant of Isildur. Isildur was the son of the King at the time of the last great battle between the forces of Sauron and the world of Elves and Men. The king was killed, and Isildur took up his sword, and defeated Sauron by cutting the One Ring from his hand. Isildur had a chance to destroy the Ring forever, but in his greed he kept it for his own, allowing the spirit of Sauron to survive. When this happened, it tied the line of Isildur to the fate of the One Ring. In the story, the country of Gondor (where Isildur reigned) is without a king, and a line of Stewards has been in control for many years. The "Return of the King" alludes to the heir of Isildur (Aragorn) returning to his rightful place on the throne of Gondor.

As you can see, it has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with Freemasonry. A cracking good read though, in my opinion. The Silmarillion was awesome as well.

[edit on 3/3/05 by The Axeman]

Originally posted by MysticOfRadiance
the two towers, return of the king, who is this king they refer to? who has yet to arrive?, is it the creator or in freemasonry called the great architect of the universe?.

The Great Architect of the Universe created, as the term implies, the Universe, not Masonry. Masonry of course was created by men.

Furthermore, there is no "Return of the King" in Freemasonry. That's the title of a book by J.R.R. Tolkien.

old fantasy books and films, havnt watched or read them either, interesting title.

while where on about films and pillar symbology, illuminati films dont come much bigger then star wars.

[edit on 3-3-2005 by MysticOfRadiance]

Originally posted by Masonic Light

Originally posted by MysticOfRadiance
the two towers, return of the king, who is this king they refer to? who has yet to arrive?, is it the creator or in freemasonry called the great architect of the universe?.

The Great Architect of the Universe created, as the term implies, the Universe, not Masonry. Masonry of course was created by men.

Furthermore, there is no "Return of the King" in Freemasonry. That's the title of a book by J.R.R. Tolkien.

yes the belief that a single entity/consciousness created the start of the universe, through time things then evolve in the physical spectrum of energies.



[edit on 3-3-2005 by MysticOfRadiance]