New dwarf planets & Planet IX Unknown Variable in CETI may explain UFO with other Orbital Planes

originally posted by: The angel of light
Why we have no records of such a visitant? well who knows if it completes a periodic motion around the sun in 400 of our years or even in 1000?

That's what I was trying to say, such a large visitant to the inner planets of the Solar System would leave a "record" on the other planets' orbits, specially if we are talking about a large planet with an orbit that does not follow the ecliptic and that would produce a vertical (when considering the ecliptic has horizontal) influence on those orbits, something I don't think we see.

Such a Giant planet may have also moons around and either the planet or its moons may have Van Allen belt and active cores that can generate and retain heat when that system remains far from the sun.

Seeing how the other planets on the Solar System have their temperature dependent on the distance from the Sun I doubt any planet could keep a relatively mild temperature while 1000 years away from the Sun.

a reply to: ArMaP

Our planet should be a non habitable world if we would not have a Van Allen belt and movable tectonic plates, our distance of the sun is not good enough for have ideal conditions here neither, it is just sufficient to give a glance to Venus or Mars to see that.

Mars has practically no magnetic field at all and that is what determines it is unable to retain an atmosphere like earth and have also a weather more favorable to life. That is the closet point we can search for conditions on our solar system by the way.

As a matter of fact only on two other places of the solar system similar conditions than ours have been found until now, on a Moon of Jupiter and a Moon of Saturn, so distance to the sun is not the best criteria to look around.

There is already a precedent of an object , a dwarf planet, orbiting beyond Neptune that has an extremely eccentric orbit, the comparison between one of its axis with respect to the other is of more than ten times, so some of the conditions we have been discussion here are pretty probable, not unrealistic suppositions.

90377 Sedna has a perihelion of 76 au and an aphelion of 937 ua, and besides that its orbital period is of 11400 terrestrial years, an object of such characteristics may explain why No previous civilization on earth detected the IX planet.

Sedna is a threshold of the farthest the scope of our technology has been able to reach on the solar system to detect and determine form of objects orbiting.

Please check:

Dwarf planet Sedna in the outer boundaries of our Solar system

www.space.com...

The Angel of Lightness

a reply to: The angel of light

As a matter of fact only on two other places of the solar system similar conditions than ours have been found until now, on a Moon of Jupiter and a Moon of Saturn, so distance to the sun is not the best criteria to look around.

are you talking about IO and how its extremely active volcanic-ally, that shouldn't exist that far away from the Sun?


Or Europa's oceans?


what do you mean similar conditions?

Mars has similar conditions but more extreme.

a reply to: InhaleExhale

Hi, I was referring to Europe the moon of Jupiter and Enceladus the moon of Saturn, they were discussed on a post some pages back on this thread, here it is the link to go that page.

post about Best possible other places to have life on the solar system

Now, I was checking he news and apparently Voyager 2 is crossing the interstellar border, the area where the photons it is receiving are no longer coming from our sun. It becomes the second spacecraft to that, it twin Voyager 1 did so on 2012.

I am wondering if these two spacecrafts have clearly traveled beyond the boundaries of our system without encountering the so expected planet IX in their way is it possible that this celestial body would be either an errant X planet on the space? or an X' planet that is actually orbiting another star close to ours ( possibly Alpha centauri A or B?) on the actual boundaries between the two stellar systems?

Please think in that possibility, it may explain perhaps also the gravitation pull measured by scientists too.

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

originally posted by: MrBuddy
Ok, I suppose that they had biases, but not in the way that current civilization does. Theirs was religious in nature but isn't it funny that almost all of the relevant ones always looked toward the stars or outright claimed aliens.

The stars were the only thing to look at. It is completely unsurprising that people would look at them, considering their marvel and the fact that nobody knew what they were.
Yet not one single ancient culture ever claimed anything about aliens.
Just like today, they made claims about gods.

originally posted by: MrBuddyThe Aztecs believed in them.

No, they didn't.

originally posted by: MrBuddyAncient India had their Vimanas.

The invention of vimanas was credited to the "clever Greeks" in the Mahabharata.

originally posted by: MrBuddyMuch has been made of Egypt and Orions Belt.

"Much has been made?" Much money, maybe. Perhaps much ado.
But no evidence for any of it and besides, what has that got to do with aliens?

originally posted by: MrBuddy Also, while Zecharia is a bit loony tunes, Sumer has it's own stories of aliens which are well known.

There exists not a single story from Sumer (or Akkadia, Babylonia, Assyria, etc.) that says anything at all about any aliens.

originally posted by: MrBuddyThere must have been some reason that all of these civilizations claim connections to outer space and/or aliens. They just wouldn't come to that conclusion without some sort of evidence in my opinion.

As I pointed out, they didn't come to that conclusion. It was you that came to that conclusion, and you jumped to it.

Harte

a reply to: SeaWorthy

Let me see if I follow you correctly, and if my intuition can add the missing pieces of this puzzle:

- It seems to me that you think our sun has a twin star isn't it?

- If that is the case you assume that there is a star that is actually orbiting our sun?


How about if the situation might be in this other way:

- There are orbits of planets around each one of the stars and the planet X would be possibly if not the very last planet orbiting around our sun but the very last orbiting the other sun?

- How about if there are planets orbiting the two suns and planet X is a body like that, that sometimes is closer to one of the twins but in other it is closer to the other?

What are the chances in Astronomy that we have a twin Star to our sun and we can Not distinguish it clearly? why we know about alpha Centauri A and B but we had been unable to detect that twin?

I believe it is more probable that we have another planet influencing orbits of our system and that even it is not orbiting our sun but one of the Alpha Centauri pair.

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

It's physically impossible for a planet orbiting any Centauri star to pass close enough to us to affect the orbits of objects in our solar system.

To be able to get that far away from it's home star, such an object or planet would have to have an extremely high velocity at perihelion.

A velocity high enough to get it close to us would be greater than the escape velocity of it's home star and thus it wouldn't be in orbit at all. It would simply be a rogue planet either passing by one time or becoming trapped in the gravitational well of our star.

Harte

a reply to: The angel of light

I'm a simple person and sometimes I need things spelling out to me in simple, layman's terms.

So please, going from A to B to C etc explain what you mean because I haven't really got a clue.

'We' have discovered planets lots and lots of light years away from us, why haven't we discovered something, whatever it is, which is relatively on our own doorstep.

I'm not being disrespectful etc I just don't understand what the hell it is you're trying to say...that's probably down to my poor comprehension skills and lack of knowledge.

a reply to: Freeborn

Well, no body is saying that we can not discover it, the thread was open under the belief that the planet IX will be found soon.

The fact is that some of the dwarf planets of our system have been found in the last 5 to 7 years, so that gives an idea of the dufficulties to detect something even in our own corner of the galaxy.

Pluto was prediscovered about three times before it was actually considered a planet (dwarf), it was confused with other kinds of celestial bodies by different astronomers

The Angel of Lightness