Turkey and now India want the S-400 missile system

The Russian missile system designated the S400 has a longer range, more powerful radar and can be ready to fire quicker than the Patriot missile battery. It is also cheaper to acquire so I can certainly understand a country wanting more bang for its' bucks.

The USA is opposed to Turkey and no doubt India acquiring the system... Loss of money for our MIC not to mention there is a possibility that the system can get radar information on the F-35 and F-22 which could be tweaked to make the system more effective. youtu.be...

a reply to: 727Sky

I wonder what makes Turkey believe that they will be getting a clean unbugged system from Russia?

a reply to: 727Sky

I think the S 400 is severely overrated. So far in Syria its shown itself to be useless. Didn't even stop the US cruise missile attack. So you have to ask yourself why if it could do half what the Kremlin claims it could those tomohawks should not have gotten through. Truth be told its kill range is short and the object has to be heading towards the S 400.

We have seen the Russians fail over and over in Syria

Turkey is really trying as hard as it can to get kicked out of NATO, isnt it?

originally posted by: PokeyJoe
Turkey is really trying as hard as it can to get kicked out of NATO, isnt it?

Sure seems that way. Zero chance of them joining the EU as well.

A NATO member buying main weapon systems from its main adversary.

a reply to: pavil

Might mean NATO get to take it apart and learn from the device.

Then again the plans and blueprints for the S400 are probably readily available online somewhere on the dark web for the right price.

a reply to: 727Sky

Turkey is a NATO ally, and is supposed to be equipped with systems that are interoperable with other NATO members. There's also the issue that the system is going to require Russian technical assistance, and Turkey is getting the F-35.


India is just now turning to the West from Russia, and doesn't have close ties that would cause anyone to get ruffled over them buying it.

If it is a little better and cheaper, they should go for it. The Russians do make some pretty decent stuff, the US used to make reliable stuff, but lately it seems that the USA products are not that good, high costs of maintenance.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: 727Sky

Turkey is a NATO ally, and is supposed to be equipped with systems that are interoperable with other NATO members. There's also the issue that the system is going to require Russian technical assistance, and Turkey is getting the F-35.


India is just now turning to the West from Russia, and doesn't have close ties that would cause anyone to get ruffled over them buying it.

The last word I got was Turkey wants the F-35 but is being blocked from receiving any. Have things changed ?

The Indians have a long history of buying a mix of western and russian products. This would not be new for them.

The turkey sale is Erdogan all over, he's pissed over the coup attempt and percieved lack of respect. It's a way to insult the west, repair relations with Russia. Until he changes his mind again.

I wouldn't take failure of the S400 to protect Assad's men as an indication of its incapacity. I think it's more protecting them is not considered worth exposing it to intelligence gathering.

a reply to: 727Sky

At least one aircraft has been delivered to Luke as planned and their crews are training. The plan was always for their first aircraft to go to Luke and then spend at least a year there training before being delivered to Turkey.

a reply to: justwokeup

I'd be surprised as hell if that S400 did anything beyond protecting the Russian base, and possibly air traffic control assistance.

Main possible saboteurs of India and Turkey's S-400 deal are the EU. Mainly the Netherlands, Italy, STASI Merkel and Germany, Luxembourg and all of the royals of Europe going from the UK , to Spain and to all Scandinavian countries.

They are acting, with sabotage, political and civil disorders, organized protests Soros style and all kinds of other military sabotage activities against the triumphing anti-colonial human civilization that will inevitably lead to the extinction of their self-proclaimed hereditary nobility and to the self-righteousness of the neoliberals.

a reply to: Flanker86

And then they're going to invade India, right? That's what you said in your other post.