Bush considering draft?

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While I do not believe the draft is likely, this link makes me concerned. i have a 16 year old boy. I would be proud if he chose to serve his country voluntarily but to serve with those not committed to serve their country worries me.

More importantly, a draft is not consistent with a free nation. Here's a quote from the Constitution Party's Platform:

"Compulsory government service is incompatible with individual liberty."
www.constitutionparty.com...

Well it might become necessary at some point but it is not the case now. Where is the threat? You think we would invade Iran or North Korea?

Originally posted by XX_SicSemperTyrannis_XX
More importantly, a draft is not consistent with a free nation. Here's a quote from the Constitution Party's Platform:

We Libertarians dont believe in it either. I served my country and would do so again if needed but I dont believe in the draft

I'm 18, and hope that there isn't a draft. But I'm going to college pretty soon. Can they draft you if you're going or about to go to college? How does the whole drafting thing work?

he would do that. And allthe rich kids would get pardons or something. I say hes trying to wipe out all the poor people and minorities.

Yeah, that makes a lot of sence. There will NOT be another draft. It's just propaganda to scare people into voting democrat.

Originally posted by Reaganwasourgreatest
csmonitor.com...

While I do not believe the draft is likely, this link makes me concerned. i have a 16 year old boy. I would be proud if he chose to serve his country voluntarily but to serve with those not committed to serve their country worries me.

By constitutional law you have to right to fight against the goverment in the case of them forcefully coming to your house for your son. Im just now turning 18 and have done a fair share of research on this. Your son is safe for another 2 years. If im drafted depending on the cause ill fight to the death not to go. I am firm in my beliefs and would rather die in the hands of my own beliefs then the hand of a shrub. In the case of N. Korea which I would think would trigger the next draft id gladly go and bring myself back some fried cat.

I looked for a thread detailing this information but couldn't find it. So here I go.

www.reuters.com...

Army misses April recruiting goal by 42 percent

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Army missed its April recruiting goal by a whopping 42 percent and the Army Reserve fell short by 37 percent, officials said on Tuesday, showing the depth of the military's wartime recruiting woes.

With the Iraq war straining the U.S. military, the active-duty Army has now missed its recruiting goals in three straight months, with April being by far the worst of the three, and officials are forecasting that it will fall short again in May.

The all-volunteer Army is providing the majority of the ground forces for an Iraq war in which nearly 1,600 U.S. troops have died.

The active-duty Army signed up 3,821 recruits last month, falling short of its goal of 6,600 for April, Army Recruiting Command spokesman Douglas Smith said. That left the Army 16 percent behind its year-to-date goal, officials said.

With monthly numbers of new recruits dropping sharply this can only mean a draft of some type is coming to shore up the missing percentage. How else does the military expect to continue its wars and maintain its large number of military bases without having enough troops around? Paying people from third world countries to be security guards in Iraq only goes so far. Intelligent western educated people who speak english are going to be needed because that is who is currently steering clear of the messes that the military has itself in.

[edit on 1-6-2005 by Frith]

Originally posted by Reaganwasourgreatest

i have a 16 year old boy. I would be proud if he chose to serve his country voluntarily but to serve with those not committed to serve their country worries me.

Didn't you think of that when you last voted for Bush? Couldn't you ( I apologize, but didn't you say you were also in the military?) "do the math", knowing that the modern military is configured for two theater engagement, and see how far reaching we're currently deployed? And how the last straw is ever so capable of back breaking due to Bush's Foreign Policy?

Shadenfreude is little solace when it finally comes to pass on all things Bush.

Draft? Hmmm, when they start the draft depends on when they invade Iran. Now, a pulitzer prize winner, the man who exposed Abu Gharib, got info that it will begin in August-September. Now, when I posted this the republicans did the usual "DIE! BUSH IS GOD! KILL!!!!!" and that was about it.

Also know this, there is a weight limit, if you are say, 5'11 and only weigh 110lbs, you won't be drafted due to not weighing enough. Or if you are missing a big toe. IDK about any others, but I know if you shoot/cut a big toe off you won't be drafted.

Uh oh kids.

washingtontimes.com...

Pentagon delays figures on recruits

The Pentagon, hard-pressed to meet recruiting goals for the all-volunteer armed forces, yesterday delayed announcing enlistment numbers for May until June 10.
A spokesman said the services want to take more time to analyze the numbers - which typically are released on the first of the month - and explain them to the public.
The Army and Marine Corps have missed monthly goals this year, but spokesmen for both services said they expect recruiting to pick up this summer after high school graduation. Officials predict they will meet enlistments by Sept. 30, the end of the current fiscal year.

Any bets on the recruitment loss percentage? I'd say over 50%.

The third paragraph quoted is quite humorous. I wonder just how they expect to meet enlistments by September 30th? Does the acronym SSS hold any special meaning to these expectations?

I personally support the draft. If people arent willing to serve their country then we need somehow to get more soldiers. If you don't want to be drafted and get a crap job join the military and get a good job while they still need it. In my Dads day people were happy to serve there country and ill whoever needed to be killed. Kids these days are either to lazy or too much involved in politics.

9890

Originally posted by 9890
I personally support the draft. If people arent willing to serve their country then we need somehow to get more soldiers. If you don't want to be drafted and get a crap job join the military and get a good job while they still need it. In my Dads day people were happy to serve there country and ill whoever needed to be killed. Kids these days are either to lazy or too much involved in politics.

9890

Theres a problem in that though. Since the WMD thing was bust and the title of the currently visible "operation" is Iraqi Freedom, those who sign up now to go fight aren't fighting for the safety of their own nation. They're fighting for the safety of another. Who in their right mind wants to sign up for military duty to kill and be killed for another country? Those who sign up for military service today are more than likely going to see duty in Iraq, which is not of U.S. defensive value whatsoever which has been clear for quite some time now.

The U.S. military being used as an alleged international police force is not what intelligent patriots sign up for. There should be a new international branch of foreign police fighters if this is going to be the case. Since that will likely never happen, you aren't going to see too many people who have a brain in their head sacrifice themselves for reasons that have little to nothing to do with the safety of their homeland.

[edit on 4-6-2005 by Frith]

I wonder how many people would support a invasion of North Korea and Iran but are against the draft concept?
Would a draft unite or deepen the divide in American politics ?
Dont political differnces disappear when people are wearing colours?

Ok so lets say we left Iraq in 2 seconds from now. Everyone. All at once. Everyone that had the courage to fight for what was supposed to be for there country and everyone that died doing their countries work are all going to die vein for the countries work was never finished all those people would have died for nothing. My point is if you join it's your countries work which is your work whether you like it or not. If you don't like the draft and the draft gets reinstated, leave the country. Go to Canada or Mexico or someplace without a draft.

nah, Bush aint considering the draft.

"While Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and President Bush have repeatedly said there is no need for a draft, and one of the military's top recruiters said only last week that a draft "would not improve the quality" of soldier"

also its the Democrats who want to bring the draft back, so since we are in wartime and if we elect a Democratic President, then the draft will come.

Originally posted by deltaboy
nah, Bush aint considering the draft.

"While Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and President Bush have repeatedly said there is no need for a draft, and one of the military's top recruiters said only last week that a draft "would not improve the quality" of soldier"

also its the Democrats who want to bring the draft back, so since we are in wartime and if we elect a Democratic President, then the draft will come.

Yep, I believe last time I heard anything about the draft it was said that a Democrat proposed it. It was also shot down 402-2 (tisk tisk, Congressmen not attending sessions). So um yeah, no draft. Bush might be considering, but that doesn't mean a thing. Draft will only come in the event of a MAJOR war. Iran and North Korea are compartively chump stains. Facing a single one wouldn't be a problem (esp Iran, we've already got them practically surrounded). North Korea has numbers and that's about it. If we were engaged by a set of opponents or some really formidable opponents (China or say all of Europe) then yes a draft would more than likely come about. It would probably take another World War to bring about the next one. Just my two cents.

Originally posted by HALLOWEEN78
Yeah, that makes a lot of sence.

There will NOT be another draft. It's just propaganda to scare people into voting democrat.

Apparently you're not aware that it's a Democrat pushing the bill.

You can expect a draft in the US after the coming November elections. They plan to hold Afganistan and Iraq and that's the reason for the extra troops. Now without a draft, they will lose both Iraq and Afganistan - nevermind about Iran and Syria.

I cannot see how they will pull off this (draft) without some kind of major attack on US soil. So much will happen in the next 3 months; I suggest buy Gold and Silver also, because an economic recession begins (in the US) next week. I calculated this by watching the inversion of the 2 and 10 year note.