Rendlesham Forest 1980 Pt II - Will There Be An Answer?

a reply to: mirageman

Eyes rolling, that is rather an interesting picture ))

a reply to: mirageman

i dont want to dogpile anyone but some people just need a reality check.

the interviewer gave him at least 2 chances to explain himself and he lied both times, the people who follow this all know the 101100 # is as fugazi as it gets and if he just came out and said so and didn't bring it up again would be good enough for me, but an admission would me amazing, but im not holding my breath.


the tin foil side of me wants to believe that this is controlled opposition, but it is just greed.

a reply to: penroc3

Have you listened to the recent two radio shows Penroc in passing?

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Gotta agree with you on this one Kev, he could have received the injuries at any point in his career later down the line. But if it was easier to get his cover by using the condom report as a "smoking gun" then fair play to him for using that to get what he should have got anyway.

I belive it's just added another false mystery to the case and one of the only "concrete" pillars of Rendlesham, when in reality it was from elsewhere in active duty.

a reply to: Baablacksheep

no i have not.


do you have links?

a reply to: penroc3

This is one of them, the more recent I think they are busy editing it. That probably is the more interesting one.

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a reply to: pigsy2400

Well as you know Pig, Jims side are not in favour of what John has claimed. They also call the Condign report a red herring.


You have just made me smile re that report ))

a reply to: Baablacksheep

I consider the Condign report to be the only valid report
ever released by a government on the subject of "UAP's".

But.

It's actually quite funny, that the report author is apparently
DESPERATE to explain away "Black Triangle UFOs" as a side
effect of atmospheric plasmas.

That's just silly.

Now, I don't know if the MoD and other MIC organization
actually know what BTUFOs are and are desperate to
point people away the truth about them..

Or they are just terrorized that they don't know and want
to cover it up with a 'prosaic explanation' (a silly one)

or of course, I know that some people who make their living
from spreading RFI and UFO disinformation hate the Condign
report, because it might interfere with their income stream.

But to me, there is nothing more interesting in UFOlogy
than that Condign Report, and that particular "gaff" to
attempt to do with Magicians' trick on the subject of
BTUFOs.

A close second, is that after further research, I'm convinced
that many "UFO reports" are a result of Project Palladium
type stuff, including the 1952 events.. but that's for
another thread.. as there were no reputable radar returns
for RFI, that I know of.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Ah my favorite platinum group metal


That sure was intresting, launching orbs from subs(and as far as I know it hasn't been explained how they launched them and what kept them aloft)and messing with radars.

I could see some of the military sightings coming from that as it would provide the radar blips but as you and I know the triangles are a whole different subject.

Makes you wonder what other methods are at play today.

The tictac might be version 2.0

a reply to: pigsy2400

Gotta agree with you on this one Kev he could have received the injuries at any point in his career later down the line. But if it was easier to get his cover by using the condom report as a "smoking gun" then fair play to him for using that to get what he should have got anyway.

Actually I think we can round the period when Burroughs heart trouble occurred. I actually posted it 4 weeks ago.. But for those who had the memory wiped or simply missed it.

In 1979, Burroughs passed the USAF entrance physical and was assigned to RAF Woodbridge, where, in December, 1980 he was exposed to the effects of an anomalous vehicle[?]. From the moment of the event, Burroughs suffered from a variety of symptoms, including those of eye, throat, and gum disease. In the summer of 1981, Burroughs made a visit to a civilian emergency room and was found to have an unusual heart condition. Despite this, he was allowed to stay in the military and remain on active duty.

Source : CLASSIFIED' VA DATA POTENTIALLY DENYING VETERANS DISABILITY

So it seems that if he wasn't injured in Rendlesham Forest during the incident then his heart condition was picked up 6 months later. Of course that doesn't prove he was injured by a UAP. No one else appears to have similar symptoms from coming into close proximity to whatever it was. Although Burroughs was out there on two nights. But it also doesn't explain why Burroughs medical records were classified on par with JFK and Hitler (in Dr. Green's words) and appear to remain so to this day.

Whatever was going on with his battle with the VA I suspect the initial stonewalling and denying he was even in the USAF was probably a delaying tactic. This might sound callous but perhaps they were hoping the case would die with Burroughs. When he got some serious people on his side (Senator Kyle and then Senator McCain) I guess someone in the higher echelons of power decided that the easiest way out of this was to pay up leaving the secrets of what really happened in Rendlesham Forest.

Another intriguing aspect of that part of the case was the intervention of Dr. Green and then this whole mystery about Burroughs DNA.

What has obfuscated the case for years is the constant squabbling and lies down the years. It starts with the Halt memo which was hardly an accurate depiction of the events just a couple of weeks after the incident.

Nm

a reply to: mirageman

Fair play mm, I stand corrected

a reply to: penroc3

I don't agree with any on your premises about the incident
as there is no evidence for them.

Now.. that's not to say that there wasn't some sort of
tech test going on.. that wouldn't be surprising.

But we are eternally left with close to zero, or zero
evidence when the subject involves 'UFOs'.

a reply to: mirageman

I saw your post 4 weeks ago.

But if you are saying that the pre-induction physical
would have absolutely caught something pre-existing..
I cannot agree. Military physicals tend to be very
light weight.. I know.. I had one.

Also, even if JB did indeed have some sort of condition
develop after he came to the base.. it could have been
a variety of things.. having nothing to do with lights
in the woods.

JB's experience with a "triangular craft" or any other supposed
event is not solid enough to conclude that any such thing
occurred.... and this is mostly substantiated by his own
testimony.

Again. who knows?

But I see no solid evidence that JB's disability is in any
way strongly correlated to any anomalous incidents
at RFI that may or may not have happened at all.

Of course it could have..

But there is nothing smoking gun about his injury..
I think that makes a beautiful bit of disinformation
to get UFO believers excited.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I agree Kev. I can't argue with what happened before RFI. I don't believe I did. I don't even believe I argued that his injuries were a consequence of the RFI.

Even in this day and age we occasionally hear of professional sportsmen carrying undetected problems. In the case of professional football (soccer) they are also 'assets' on the balance sheet and subject to rigorous monitoring. Marc-Vivien Foé collapsed and died playing for his country in 2003. In 2012 Fabrice Muamba went into cardiac arrest during a game for his club and his heart stopped for over an hour. So point taken.

But Burroughs heart condition was diagnosed after RFI in summer 1981. It was also claimed that Burroughs medical records were classified on par with JFK and Hitler (in Dr. Green's words) and appear to remain so to this day.

That to me points to something shady having gone on. Not necessarily anything to do with the RFI. But definitely something to do with Burroughs. It also seemed that after Green intervened he got the correct treatment and a settlement with the VA.

Doesn't that pique your interest?

a reply to: mirageman

i know green is implicated in a lot of ufo and tech stuff a guy did a talk at a ufo conference and i can't remember who it was but he gave a good talk.

he spoke about the dr and his white house connections, as far as these medical records being classified to the level they apparently were sure makes me think he was a test subject or collateral damage. maybe when they were told not to get to close and make a perimeter and as a consequence of not following orders they were exposed to whatever caused his issues and might explain some of the other peoples reactions.


kev

im not sur what you mean in your reply, i wasnt saying that palladium was going on during the RFI or that BT's were or werent there.

sorry if it is lost in translation, what did you mean?

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I agree Kev. I can't argue with what happened before RFI. I don't believe I did. I don't even believe I argued that his injuries were a consequence of the RFI.

Even in this day and age we occasionally hear of professional sportsmen carrying undetected problems. In the case of professional football (soccer) they are also 'assets' on the balance sheet and subject to rigorous monitoring. Marc-Vivien Foé collapsed and died playing for his country in 2003. In 2012 Fabrice Muamba went into cardiac arrest during a game for his club and his heart stopped for over an hour. So point taken.

But Burroughs heart condition was diagnosed after RFI in summer 1981. It was also claimed that Burroughs medical records were classified on par with JFK and Hitler (in Dr. Green's words) and appear to remain so to this day.

That to me points to something shady having gone on. Not necessarily anything to do with the RFI. But definitely something to do with Burroughs. It also seemed that after Green intervened he got the correct treatment and a settlement with the VA.

Doesn't that pique your interest?

Of course. Quite a bit.

But it doesn't mean that time travellers or little green men
came to RFI and zapped him.

Which I'm not saying that you are saying.

but many OTHERS do say something of that sort.
And there is no correlation between the medical
fact (I beieve he was injured) and various theories
often expressed on ATS.

Not that we know.

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a reply to: penroc3

I'm quoting you here:

That sure was intresting, launching orbs from subs

That is your premise, not mine.
Nobody has any evidence for that.

my question to mirageman,
Have you investigated or come across reports of all the strange paranormal type activity in the area around Woodbridge base.
there seems be something going on in that particular area and they were recently talking about an unknown energy source there on JB radio show.
I have read many reports of paranormal type activity in the area going back 200 years, phantom black dogs (shuck) ghostly monks and other apparitions and lights chasing cars by locals and USAF personnel, not just what brenda butler has allegedly seen in the Forrest.
The strangest report I have seen is from 1830, a woman saw what she described as a horseless carriage moving down a lane at night emitting a light that was so brilliant that it lit the countryside up around it like it was daylight, I believe this was only about 5 miles from the base and so many modern ufo reports have had this type of phenomena.
Dr david Clarke even found a report in the released mod files of lights being seen in the Forrest outside Woodbridge base in 1946, so the lights are not a new phenomenon.
Just wondering what your thoughts are on this angle of RFI.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I was talking about the radar targets.

Remember that family in Florida that discovered that strange polished steel orb with something mechinized inside they could hear moving from time to time, I think it had something to do with the palladium project.

I wasn't talking about the other kind of orbs.


But the sub connection to many types of ufos like bt and others is an interesting topic, I wonder if anyone else has thought about it and if there are any topics here.