The True Purpose Of Giant Wind Turbines

Small wind turbines can provide a useful amount of electricity for a household. Being able to raise and lower the turbine by hand for installation, maintenance and protection from extreme storms is undoubtedly greener than using industrial machinery as with giant turbines. Giant turbines are anything but green with their massive concrete bases, service roads etc. etc.

Manufacturing giant turbines requires technical knowledge and facilities very similar to those used in the production of modern weaponry.

Advancements in composite materials, automation, and more efficient manufacturing processes . . .

As the size and complexity of wind turbines grow, so do the manufacturing process requirements . . .

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The true purpose of giant wind turbines is to prepare engineering firms for manufacturing weapons.

The greens have been tricked into supporting war.

Relevant XKCD:


Alternative Energy Revolution

All manufacturing has to be ready for war production. I live in Michigan and know the history of the automakers and how quickly they began production for WWII.

The US can ramp up fast the steel and lead industries might be a little slower thanks to Obama but we can still build stuff.

a reply to: ManFromEurope

It's worse than I feared! How can we outrun them with those giant legs!

It's an interesting subject. An industry I worked in for quite a few years.

Wind turbines are inefficient in so many ways, as you rightly point out. Also there is the fact that coal is still burned on standby for when there is no wind.

As for engineering companies making weapons from their turbine factories?

I visited a Siemens factory in Hull once. Here the specialise in fibreglass blades for the turbines. Moulding and dressing fibreglass blades, no potential for weapons manufacture.

The trunks (which in the industry are called 'cans') are rolled steel tubes which I imagine require the use of rather long metal working rollers - these have the potential to be used for barrels or missle casing.

Gearing within the control unit - rather specific and perhaps not relevant.

IT within the control unit - no idea.

So yes, with the right coordination the UK could manufacture huge cannons in rapid time, providing someone is manufacturing the ammunition to suit. Imagine that, the Germans (Siemens) manufacturing our next big weapon.

giant toys to enjoy giant kids.

Infacto-mundo.... a thread on wind turbines is where I got the inspiration from for my avatar!!

Also self reliance.

Small turbines would make people self sufficient.

The large one involves infrastructure, companies...and... a monthly bill.

I like wind turbines for things like pumping water for farming or maybe even pumped water storage for hydro electric in combination with off-peak water pumping storage of the hydro dam. When the demand for energy isn't at the level of what the dam can produce, the electricity is used to pump water to higher elevation for storage to be used during times of high energy demand. Turbines can be used for the same thing and then the wind turbine doesn't need to have an electric generator in it, it is much less expensive and more efficient over-all from what I have seen.

I have to say that seeing the large windmill farms in the desert is a bag of mixed emotions, as well as the large PV installations. I wonder what the enviornmental impacts are of these sites, they certainly are an eye sore IMO, both types. I'm also amazed at how many of the turbines are not moving, IDK if that is because they are non-functional or if they have their break on because they don't need the energy.

Another use for turbines is to use them as compressors to store compressed air which can then be used to run a motor/turbine of some kind to generate electricity. I think these methods are more efficient than battery storage but their use is relatively rare because there is more money in making the turbines as electric generators and making batteries to store the energy. The turbines are also MUCH more efficient at high wind speed (I think the energy is cubed to the speed of the wind) but they can not generate electricity in these ranges - a brake has to be applied or they will fall apart. They would be able to pump/compress at these speeds but since they aren't designed to do so, they loose this high range of efficiency during these times of high potential output.

My son builds those million gallon culinary water tanks. Or so people think they are. They really are giant spacecraft capable of interstellar travel. Built on the tops of hills to be close to the affluent for emergency boarding. You notice there's always a concrete block building next to the tanks....... that's the launch and control room.

There are tunnels and tramways underneath for loading. It is Top Secret. If it were not for my son, I wouldn't even be privy to the information. The windmills are only a diversion and beyond generating electricity (which is used for saucer launch) they only give confidence to a declining viable populous. This information may be removed at any moment, I suggest printing this page before it disappears.

Wind turbines in the USA are a huge freaking scam.

It is a rip-off for the landowner. The land becomes useless for anything else. You have big 40 x 40 cement foundations littering your land; it is impractical to plow around them. and the noise from those whooshing blades is deafening. They also kill raptors (who cannot anticipate the circular action of the blades) to where wind farms probably kill 10,000 bald eagles every year. But its ok the EPA gives them a warrant to kill bald eagles.

To even pretend to be economical(!), the development company needs a spot where the wind averages 12 mph annually. Then they come out and kill crops or grassland laying the cement base, then kill more ag land erecting the thing.

The average turbine lasts 3 or 4 years I the desert southwest. Building the engine and replacing it will take more energy than the stupid thing will produce over it's lifespan.

The are not wind farming, they are government subsidy farming.

And every wind farming corporation is a subsidiary of either Exxon or BP or a consortium with big coal. The whole wind farm industry is just another way to get the US government to pay oil companies. Only this way gives the US consumer a case of the warm fuzzies.

originally posted by: tovenar
Wind turbines in the USA are a huge freaking scam.

It is a rip-off for the landowner. The land becomes useless for anything else. You have big 40 x 40 cement foundations littering your land; it is impractical to plow around them. and the noise from those whooshing blades is deafening. They also kill raptors (who cannot anticipate the circular action of the blades) to where wind farms probably kill 10,000 bald eagles every year. But its ok the EPA gives them a warrant to kill bald eagles.

To even pretend to be economical(!), the development company needs a spot where the wind averages 12 mph annually. Then they come out and kill crops or grassland laying the cement base, then kill more ag land erecting the thing.

The average turbine lasts 3 or 4 years I the desert southwest. Building the engine and replacing it will take more energy than the stupid thing will produce over it's lifespan.

The are not wind farming, they are government subsidy farming.

And every wind farming corporation is a subsidiary of either Exxon or BP or a consortium with big coal. The whole wind farm industry is just another way to get the US government to pay oil companies. Only this way gives the US consumer a case of the warm fuzzies.

Well put. These are the types of things that the MSM needs to report but I never see them discussing this. I didn't know the connection to the oil and coal companies. What a scam! The power/utility companies need to buy "green energy credits" or whatever, so they buy energy from these wind farms, which are owned by oil/coal! WTF! Just another way for those companies to make a huge profit while fleecing the tax $$ from the public.

Biggest problem with house powering wind turbines, is the noise to neighbours. So I have heard on forums discussing these before.

I live in a very built up area. No farms for me. No acres of anything. Just banged up right next to the pillocks next door. The one thing stopping me is the noise it would generate, whooshing constantly.

idk, if I had enough money I could build one of the more silent ones, I guess. implying I can build one at all.

a reply to: DigginFoTroof

exactly.

Its a one for one scam. A Supervisor for one of the turbine operators told me if congress turned off the direct subsidies tomorrow, all the turbines in west Texas would be down by the end of the week. The operators put in a clause that if the subsidies aren't paid, there's money, basically in escrow, to pay them to take their own towers down. Not the pads though. The landowner is stuck with 200 cement foundation pads and a transformer yard, with all the fittings removed.

the things only last for three years because of the incredible vibrations they produce. The wind is always changing velocity and direction, and so the vibrations are always changing as the turbines move to face the wind and transform the voltage for this nanosecond.

Supposedly, they generate such a seismic signature that oil exploration companies don't need to use "thumper trucks" to set off a seismic blast and listen through the earth for echoes. The damned turbines set off an underground vibration that echoes off of every subterranean salt dome in west Texas and eastern New Mexico. You basically put a set of ears to the ground and can map the whole geological profile of the region. What do you think that kind of permanent 10 hz wave is doing to any seismic faults?

originally posted by: mikell
All manufacturing has to be ready for war production. I live in Michigan and know the history of the automakers and how quickly they began production for WWII.

The US can ramp up fast the steel and lead industries might be a little slower thanks to Obama but we can still build stuff.

Your comment reminds me of one of my favorite WW2 aircraft - the de Havilland Mosquito;

....And why, exactly, was it wooden? Certainly because spruce, birch plywood and Ecuadorean balsa weren’t strategic materials and were in plentiful supply. Because furniture factories, cabinetmakers, luxury-auto coachbuilders and piano makers could quickly be turned into subcontractors.

Linky

Such a beautiful aircraft, and with a reputation to-boot,

Wind and solar power is the future...

Deal with it

a reply to: Kester

Interesting theory.

I had a theory about them too...

So. As far as weather modification goes, they're like giant fans. All over the country where wind flows, especially tornado alley. .....What if they're not generating power from the wind at all... they're making it!

I don't believe this at all but I thought I would tell it just because I didn't know anyone else had conspiracy theories about them. They're havoc for certain radio signals too.

-Driver

a reply to: Spacespider

Tidal power gets me excited.

However the water is salty, and therefore any material used shall need to withstand corrosion and also be strong = expensive materials.


What are your thoughts on wind power concerning:

1) Power cannot be stored sufficiently therefore wind power only works when windy
2) Because of point 1 above power stations still burn lots of coal because they need to keep the station on standby for when there is no wind
3) Is any power truly green when you consider the carbon footprint of manufacturing components, transportation, operation and maintenance programs?

a reply to: and14263

1) Power cannot be stored sufficiently therefore wind power only works when windy
New tech have come in 2017 and is still being developed on.. Keeps getting better and better.

2) Because of point 1 above power stations still burn lots of coal because they need to keep the station on standby for when there is no wind
There is always wind somewhere.. just need to transfer the energy the the right places. And when energy storage becomes better and better.. that will itself fix this. Or they could use Solar energy as a reserve and cut down on fossil fuels. Remember the planet ?

3) Is any power truly green when you consider the carbon footprint of manufacturing components, transportation, operation and maintenance programs?
Yes.. companies are thinking more green now, and keeps getting better at doing so. Including the one I work in. And green energy IS the future.. and the ONLY future.

a reply to: Spacespider

It may well be the future. It's just not the present.

Hey look, solar has made YUGE strides just in the past decade. I carry a solar flashlights because it is more reliable than batteries---it can be recharged even if you left the switch on. And panels to power my RV are not much bigger than two picnic tables; that's a tech that is useful and reliable.

The economics of wind-farming will probably eventually be better than solar has gotten. But we aren't there yet. Right now, developers are using it to get free money from Uncle Sam. Just like electric cars, which have been around for a 100 years, but are only just now getting serious.