Arnaldo Tamayo-Mendez: 38 yrs ago 1st Hispanic,1st African descendant,1st LatinAmerican in Orbit

originally posted by: The angel of light

Cuba is after Vietnam, so i am wondering where did you learn mathematics or were alphabetized ?

ROTFLOL.....

Do the danged list in Russian, you dope.

More details on genuine routes to women’s achievements in space [solid skills versus symbolic stunts]:: “Two commanders meet”
www.thespacereview.com...

Eisenhower's decision for astronaut selection was to only use experienced test pilots [a career closed to women in that era because of the much higher fatality rate than any women pilots had ever faced] . That decision was vindicated by subsequent spaceflight experience on early missions where test pilot skills proved critical to survival. No ground test or interview could identify those individuals who had the mental resilience to remain mentally functional under lethal threats, proven by passage through a career that killed a large fraction of their colleagues -- the survivors demonstrated they had the 'right stuff', not the expert opinion of some white-coated knee-thumper or clipboard-equipped therapist. Both men and women, some of each of them, had that mindset – but only the men had been through the meatgrinder of gruesome death that had filtered out those who did and those who didn’t. Skipping that self-selecting gamut that had further winnowed-out the candidates would have been dangerous to individuals and to entire programs. And when THAT ‘test pilot’ bottleneck WAS lifted [and further opened as flight experience promised to lower the odds of lethal surprises], women flowed into the program with the men, and on Challenger and Columbia and in training, paid with blood as they died alongside their male colleagues -- and nobody flinched because the requisite rite of passage was respected. Setting aside that filter for a stunt -- the route taken by the USSR -- was a dead-ended feel-good gimmick [look at how it sidelined other Russian space-minded women for half a century].

a reply to: JimOberg

Well,

As far as I know Valentina Tereshkova, first woman and civilian in space, the sixth Soviet in space and the 8th human being in orbit was Not a professional Jet Pilot, but she was certainly a professional parachuter, she won various competitions jumping at different heights in parachute before to be chose as candidate to be Cosmonaut.

She received similar training, together with her colleagues Soloviova and Ponomariova, in the Air force installations than the one of her Colleagues Yuri Gagarin, German Titov, Aleksei Leonov.

Please check:
Valentina Tereshkova, First woman in Space

Now, in those first missions to the space practically all the control of the spacecrafts was remotely carried out from the space center on earth, the flight trajectories were completely tele-controlled, the pilots were not driven really the space vehicles that were just capsules.

Of course there was inside monitoring equipment that can provide valuable feedback in site that the Astronauts/Cosmonauts could discuss with the control center, but they were not really piloting, in the sense that they were just passively orbiting around the planet.

If the role of the Cosmonaut would had been more active possibly Vladimir Komarov never had died in the reentry task aboard the first Soyuz mission, he was by far the most experienced pilot among his generation of fellow cosmonauts, apart of the fact that he was an expert testing Aeronautic Engineer too.

Please check:
Vladir Komarov already expected death in space

It is Historic the fact that Komarov criticized aspects of design of the Soyuz 1 capsule before his terrible accident and even Yuri Gagarin supported his claim that the spacecraft looked still unfinished, they signed a memorandum to Brezhnev mentioning more than 200 failures on design.

Please check:
Vladimir Komarov, Martyr of the Space race 1967 Sojuz 1

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

originally posted by: The angel of light
...Now, in those first missions to the space practically all the control of the spacecrafts was remotely carried out from the space center on earth, the flight trajectories were completely tele-controlled, the pilots were not driven really the space vehicles that were just capsules. ..

You are [quite possibly] irredeemably clueless. If you get that chip off your shoulder and recognize this, your enthusiasm can make you a positive contributor to discussions of serious issue of history current policy, and future options. Go back over this typical paragraph and find all the factual errors you have mistakenly imagined. Then rejoin the conversation.

originally posted by: The angel of light
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It is Historic the fact that Komarov criticized aspects of design of the Soyuz 1 capsule before his terrible accident and even Yuri Gagarin supported his claim that the spacecraft looked still unfinished, they signed a memorandum to Brezhnev mentioning more than 200 failures on design.

Please check:
Vladimir Komarov, Martyr of the Space race 1967 Sojuz 1

Nobody above the 4th grade considers Wikipedia a reliable primary source.

a reply to: JimOberg

I am trying to identify what is the source of all this arrogance in posts that are not only misinforming but also with incredible audacity posted with the belief that the rest of us we are going to eat or swallow them even without thinking in its content.

I mentioned two references with accounts of the tragedy of Komarov but although the other one was quoting a book by Jamie Doran and Piers Bizony promoted by Robert Krulwich of NPR, you decided to focus all your attention on the Wikipedia one, now if you don't like or trust that book No problem, here is another reference that criticize that book.

Please check:
What really happened with Cosmonaut V. Komarov, by A. Newitz

You need definitively to ground yourself in order to take part on a civilized conversation, and for the inaccuracy of your funny commentary on the alphabetical ordering of the Intercosmos missions, and please don't insult our intelligence claiming that in Russian Vietnam is before Cuba in lexicographical order or Afghanistan is the last country to list.

Please check:
NASA, the people behind the Astronauts


I feel with all respect you don't feel you show even enough intellectual authority or ethics to qualify or disqualify other people coming to the forum. Trajectory optimization is something computerized since early stages of the space exploration, there was nothing really important left at random or to be decided aboard.

I think one good reading you can start with is a very fundamental but classic paper on that, Optimal Space Trajectories by Theodore Edelbaum, it has in addition the advantage that was written in 1960s so there is no way you are going to claim is a second or third hand source on the topic.

Please check:
Optimal Space trajectories - Analytical Mechanics associates

I know, by the way, of many serious people in the academic world that when are looking for something out of their field of expertise and they want to consult an encyclopedia they always consider wikipedia as a very elegible choice.

Your claim again is debunked by the statistics of use of that online resource, please Instruct yourself:

Why we read wikipedia, Standford Computer science

On the “How” and “Why” of Emergent Role Behaviors in Wikipedia

The Angel of Lightness

originally posted by: The angel of light
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You need definitively to ground yourself in order to take part on a civilized conversation, and for the inaccuracy of your funny commentary on the alphabetical ordering of the Intercosmos missions, and please don't insult our intelligence claiming that in Russian Vietnam is before Cuba in lexicographical order....

You insult your own intelligence.

In Russian, Vietnam comes before Cuba.

[facepalm]

originally posted by: JimOberg

originally posted by: The angel of light
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You need definitively to ground yourself in order to take part on a civilized conversation, and for the inaccuracy of your funny commentary on the alphabetical ordering of the Intercosmos missions, and please don't insult our intelligence claiming that in Russian Vietnam is before Cuba in lexicographical order....

You insult your own intelligence.

In Russian, Vietnam comes before Cuba.

[facepalm]

Russian is my first language, and I can confirm what Jim wrote. The Russian letter for "V" is the third letter in their alphabet.

a reply to: The angel of light

I am trying to identify what is the source of all this arrogance in posts that are not only misinforming but also with incredible audacity

My guess would be he has insider information. Almost like he worked for NASA or something.

originally posted by: odzeandennz
why is race an accomplishment..

Exactly, why arent we celebrating other important factors such as the first 5'11 220lb male to space then the first 5'5

More importantly where is the recognition for the first double d tetas in space.and b cups?

a reply to: wildespace

Russian is Not your first language dot.

Afghanistan is almost in the last position of the list of the intercosmos program and either in English as in Russian must be at the top of it if it had been in alphabetical order.

Афганистан

The letter that is on second place in lexicographical order in Russian is not the one used in the word Vietnam written in Kirilic, is not our same B by the way.

The fact that the character in kiriIic correspond to the same in our alphabet for the second letter is a mere coincidence of visual form, even not of phoneme.

Vietnam in Russian is written starting with the 3rd letter in the Kirilic alphabet, corresponding to our 22nd, but Czechoslovakia is on the top of the list, another contradiction to the claim of alphabetical order, and France again almost al the bottom.

[exV

Vanuatu Вануату
Vatican City State Ватикан
Venezuela Венесуэла
Vietnam Вьетнам
Virgin Islands (British)
Британские Виргинские острова
BVI British Virgin Islands
Virgin Islands (U.S.)
Американские Виргинские острова

Your post insults in some way the intelligence of serious readers.

The Angel of Lightness

a reply to: wildespace

Russian is Not your first language dot.

The letter that is on second place is the letter used for the word Brazil or Bulgaria in that language, and they are not the same at all.

B
Bahamas Багамы
Bahrain БахрейнAl
Bangladesh Бангладеш
Barbados Барбадос
Belarus Белоруссия
Belgium Бельгия
Belize Белиз
Benin Бенин
Bermuda Бермуды
Bhutan Бутан
Bolivia Боливия
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Босния и Герцеговина
Botswana Ботсвана
Brazil Бразилия
Brunei Бруней
Bulgaria Болгария
Burkina Faso Буркина-ФасоBurkina

Any serious philologist would tell you Can Not be absolutely native of Russian with such a claims, Hungary is also out of order in the list.

What is this a conspiracy to try to transform with extremely poor series of cheap replies the forum of Space exploration in a circus of ignorance?

The Angel of Lightness

Oh nais, this awesome thread is a still a-going.

originally posted by: The angel of light
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Any serious philologist would tell you Can Not be absolutely native of Russian with such a claims, Hungary is also out of order in the list.

What is this a conspiracy to try to transform with extremely poor series of cheap replies the forum of Space exploration in a circus of ignorance?

The Angel of Lightness

The first group of three guests [Czech, Poland, DDR] were picked and flown in diplomatic order.

A second group of six nations -- Bulgaria, Vietnam, Hungary, Cuba, Mongolia, Romania -- were flown in lexicographal order, Hungary in Russian is 'Vengriya', sorry you didn't know that.

There were no more groups, foreign friends/allies had candidates trained individually -- India and Syria among them. Afghanistan was then inserted quickly and with minimal training due to collapsing situation of the Soviet puppet regime in Kabul [the Afghan pilot actually saved their lives by detecting an autopilot error that would have stranded them in orbit, killing them]. And because the first Bulgarian mission had failed, the Bulgarians were given a second flight to bring them up to the levels of the other nations.

Fact remains, the second group [not ALL the foreign guests] was flown lexicographically.

originally posted by: The angel of light
a reply to: wildespace

Russian is Not your first language dot.


The Angel of Lightness

Russian is my sixth language and for fifty years I've been told by Russian associates that I handle it quite well ["почти без акцента"] . I make puns in it. I occasionally dream in it. Wisely I rarely curse in it but when necessary I've gotten by, too. Want to see? [grin]

a reply to: The angel of light

Russian is Not your first language dot.

Yeah, You tell them!

I will just say you said this just a few posts prior.

I am trying to identify what is the source of all this arrogance in posts that are not only misinforming but also with incredible audacity posted with the belief that the rest of us we are going to eat or swallow them even without thinking in its content.

a reply to: interupt42 post: More importantly where is the recognition for the first double d tetas in space.and b cups?

Honestly your reply is extremely disrespectful to the feminine gender in general, it is not just against Valentina Tereshkova whose only sin was really to be a Soviet Citizen, she was even not really Russian but Bielorussian, at least in part.

She was by the way was not only the first woman in space but the first civilian on a spacecraft ever. Her presence there showed that it was Not required really to be a pilot on those days to orbit the earth.

On her historic trip, I believe it was the 8th manned to the space, she even took part on a maneuver to correct a problem of reception of signals by instruments that were malfunctioning, without that task she might never have came back alive from her trip to space.

Please check:
Valentina Tereshkova so Troubeled flight that She made to work well

The Angel of Lightness

a reply to: InhaleExhale

Look, again this is not a contest of who reacts more emotionally about advances or milestones in the History of Conquest of the Space, it is a thread open precisely to sweep away the ignorance that prevail in many circles that the Soviet Space program was not producing remarkable results, an idea created by very aggressive political propaganda in the west.

The west Ignored at all the remarkable display of robotic technology for instance of the Luna 17 mission and two more in 1970s when they were able to send telecontrolled Robotic moon rovers called Lunokhod to explore or patrol extensive areas of the moon. Those rovers were decades ahead of what the NASA was able to send to mars in 1990s.

Please check:
Lunokhod program and Driving Distances on other Worlds surfaces

The first Lunokhod semiautomated and telecontrolled robotic moon rover traveled along the moon surface even before the moon rover of the Apollo Program arrived to that surface.

Please check:
Historic milestone first mobile Robot send to other world: Lunokhod 1 1970

First release of Lunokhod 2 records from Russian Files

The west ignored at all the finding of water on the moon by the Soviet Robotic spacecrafts on 1970s until recently the Indian Robotic mission confirmed such findings.

Please check:
Water finding on Moon in 1970 by Soviet mission confirmed by India spacecrafts

Now, they are going back to the moon, they have a space program working on Luna Glob and Grup missions to compete with the Chinese that are also doing their own part, in times NASA is broken and do not have any intention to go back.

Their Soyuz space crafts are still fully operable, periodically traveling to the International Space Station after decades that NASA abandoned the Space shuttle program, a project that became plagued of terrible accidents, the worst ones of the space era.

It is not so much that they did something overwhelming to impress others for political reasons, like to send manned space missions to the moon, it is that their effort has had projection across time, consistency and constancy, virtues that long time ago have almost died on our own space program.

Russia is proud of their space program, they consider them as a priority on her national budget, while we have abandoned ours almost completely. Great part of what China is right now doing on space is precisely boosted by the technology they have obtained from Russia, and the Space program of India also have clear aspects of that same influence.

Please check:
www.popsci.com...

www.popularmechanics.com...

www.rbth.com...

Many companies that manufacture satellites here in America are using their space carriers to send them to orbit from Baikonur, Kazakhstan, and the ones that are not using Russian rockets are doing so with the European Arian ones from Guyane in South America.

Please Check:
www.space.com...

The Angel of Lightness

a reply to: The angel of light

Look, again this is not a contest of who reacts more emotionally about advances or milestones in the History of Conquest of the Space, it is a thread open precisely to sweep away the ignorance that prevail in many circles that the Soviet Space program was not producing remarkable results, an idea created by very aggressive political propaganda in the west.

Of coarse not.


You would blow everyone out of the water if it was.

You want to sweep away ignorance but are not realizing that you are pushing it when you make ridiculous claims that posters don't speak certain languages.

so ego driven are your posts, if they are not pointing out how you are right with your predictions its about what strangers can and cannot do.


Over time and numerous threads and posts that are all on the most basic conceptual level the same, I have come to realize my first impression was spot on.