Achilles heel of the Republican Party is the gun issue

I'm watching more than half of our country abandoning logic and reason, adopting righteous hatred, and losing their collective minds, all while the main mouth pieces of America (The media), are leading the way! I've been watching in disbelief as even with a record hot economy, North Korea stopping it's anti American aggression for the first time in decades, Iran on its way to economic ruin and collapse, illegal immigration at decade low numbers, and trade deals finally being negotiated fairly towards the USA, poll numbers are looking more and more precarious for Republicans. How is it that in any other time in history the preceding accomplishments would by all objective accounts be considered "winning" but in this day and age at least half of our country seems to think we are doing terribly as a nation?

I believe the two biggest reasons to explain this phenomenon are 1) "The media is an incredibly effective propaganda tool and many Americans are too intellectually lazy to question what they hear", and 2), every mass shooting in America creates incredible ammunition to this same propaganda machine and turns many people away from the Republican Party who otherwise would probably be on board with many conservative issues.

I realize that as tragic as they are, mass shootings account for a tiny % of deaths in the USA, but what many conservatives fail to understand is that although the actual number effected by these events is minuscule, the cultural impact is absolutely massive! So massive that many people would never vote Republican because of that single issue, and will vote for the other side no matter how insanely crazy their ideals are. So to my fellow conservatives, is it worth it to be so pro gun? Is it worth seeing our country go down the toilet because you see the 2nd amendment as the 11th commandment? I'm certainly not in favor of doing away with guns, but I am in favor of intelligent gun law reform that could be seen as a reasonable compromise, and at the same time it would dramatically boost voting support for the Republican Party at a time in which we DESPERATELY need it!! Are we seriously going to let the whole boat turn over in this storm because we don't want to cut the rope on a small mast that's gotten ripped out to sea (reference the movie Master and commander).

So what does intelligent compromise look like? How about only those citizens with stellar records and equally responsible households should be allowed to own guns legally, and severe penalties for those who are found to have guns illegally? Can we all agree to that? To be qualified for gun ownership this would require a thorough background check as well as a vetting of the entire household. Will this cost the government money? Yes, unfortunately this will probably involve a tax on gun ownership (to pay for all of the vetting) but this will ensure those who have guns are people who strongly desire it and have contemplated the cost of gun ownership, as well as those same people being responsible and sane enough for gun ownership. This is a small price to pay for not seeing are country go down looney tunes road! Those with any criminal history or mental illness, or anyone in their household with those same issues will absolutely not be allowed to own a gun! If you want to own a gun, then you and your household should be good citizens and decent people! If not I sure as heck don't want you owning a gun. I write this thread not because I am anti gun (I'm only anti gun in the hands of idiots, or people who have idiots in their household), but because I fear that the Republican Party is sinking (if poll numbers are to be believed) it might be time we start throwing some unneeded heavy cargo off the boat to keep it afloat in this storm! Thanks for reading and looking forward to hearing the opinions of others.

Half the country says we are doing terrible but they still give credit to Obama.

Figure that one out..

a reply to: Galacticsun

why is this in aircraft projects?

eta and regarding gun ownership, when you live in places like the Pa ific Northwest...lions, bears and feral hogs etc...demand access to firearms.

I have bunches of em, and never used one to commit a crime...only criminals commit crimes, so whats your issue with guns ?

a reply to: Galacticsun

Why is this in Aircraft Projects forum?

Don't listen to the media, and for damn sure NEVER give in to support taking away a RIGHT to own guns because of the media propaganda. F them.

Remember Trump can't win?

Ignore the propaganda.

ETA: I hate searching youtube with their 'Ministry of Truth' algorithm, FFS, the first 5 pages were all MSM 'official' propaganda.

originally posted by: Galacticsun

every mass shooting in America creates incredible ammunition to this same propaganda machine and turns many people away from the Republican Party who otherwise would probably be on board with many conservative issues.

speaking for myself the gun rights situation has little to do with my dislike for the republican party.
all i need to do is read the threads on here and posts by conservative/republican/right leaning members to remind myself i want nothing to do with them.
my interaction with them on here is plenty good enough for me

Wouldn't this be better in the firearms section??

Achilles heel?

Castle keep

a reply to: Galacticsun

Sure, let's just throw away the Bill of Rights why were are at it!!!

That way we can finally agree with the Progressive left and we can just have a party and everything will be ok!

/facepalm

Especially since most mass shootings are only happening because of the liberal democrat inspired "gun free zone" which caused the deaths of many, many children already.

Compromise = You lost.

If you really believe that someone is so dangerous they can't be trusted with a dangerous object, just keeping them away from guns isn't going to make them not dangerous. It will stop mass shootings (Which actually don't kill that many people. They're just noisy and obvious and sensationalized by the liberal media) but it won't stop dangerous people from doing what they do.

And then you move on to the part where there's not really any way of finding every single solitary "dangerous person" in the world without starting a good old fashioned witch hunt. And it's called a witch hunt because it's s stupid thing to do and hurts a lot of innocent people. You're supposed to hear the term "witch hunt" and think "Hey! I've heard of those! Those suck!"

Let's say you've got a guy who just got divorced and his ex hates him because he cheated on her. She gives herself a couple of black eyes and says he's violent. Next thing you know, this guy is on some kind of bizarre Orwellian list of people who don't have rights anymore.

No thank you.

Please don´t bring politics into the aircraft forum.

That being said, you have to change your constitution to make the above happen. Not going to happen.

There is a reason why it´s called constitution (or Grundrechte here) and it´s also with good reason that it´s not easy to fiddle with.

I saw the obama government just trying to do that.
Why do I look at foreign politics especially the US?
Because my country is greatly influenced by yours.

It takes around 2-3 years for all the stuff to come over to my country.
Just today I heard, "Germany is liberal and it must stay that way".

We´re still a democratic republic last time I looked. Not a liberal SJW snowflake entitled-force-you-to-bake-a-cake triggerable transWHATEVER..

originally posted by: TinySickTears

originally posted by: Galacticsun

every mass shooting in America creates incredible ammunition to this same propaganda machine and turns many people away from the Republican Party who otherwise would probably be on board with many conservative issues.

speaking for myself the gun rights situation has little to do with my dislike for the republican party.
all i need to do is read the threads on here and posts by conservative/republican/right leaning members to remind myself i want nothing to do with them.
my interaction with them on here is plenty good enough for me

And every time I see a liberal use the term "gun violence" it reminds me why I left the Democratic party.

About a dozen ATS posters here reaffirm my views every day.

a reply to: Galacticsun

Every time there is a mass shooting event like a school shooting we should pass a law against mass shootings. Even if there is one already. People would feel like they are doing something. After all, anyone that believes gun control prevents criminals from having guns would surely believe another law will prevent mass shootings.

originally posted by: verschickter
Please don´t bring politics into the aircraft forum.

I didn't even notice that. That's how incoherent the gun grabbers are. They can't even make their threads in the right forum. LOL

a reply to: Galacticsun

No. We have " compromised " enough.

End of discussion.

originally posted by: Lumenari


And every time I see a liberal use the term "gun violence" it reminds me why I left the Democratic party.

About a dozen ATS posters here reaffirm my views every day.

uuummmm.
ok i guess

a reply to: toms54
No. You´re not solving the problem at the root-cause!

Let´s make a law that says you are not allowed to kill someone. I think that would solve all problems.
oh wait...


Let´s ban kitchen knifes, shoe laces, pianos, snakes, water, cancer when we´re at it, since a law will just do the job...
all those things can be used to kill, also bare hands!

a reply to: BrianFlanders

Okay Brian, Guns before god, country, and party. I have no idea how this ended up in the aircraft section. Can someone help me as to how to move it?

originally posted by: BlueJacket
a reply to: Galacticsun

why is this in aircraft projects?

eta and regarding gun ownership, when you live in places like the Pa ific Northwest...lions, bears and feral hogs etc...demand access to firearms.

I have bunches of em, and never used one to commit a crime...only criminals commit crimes, so whats your issue with guns ?

Think. What if a feral hog steals your guns? Then we will have feral hogs with guns. Who needs that?

a reply to: BrianFlanders
I´m sure a mod will stop by soon to solve this problem. We should make a law against posting in the wrong forum so it never happens again ^^