Rejecting Puerto Rican Death Toll, Trump Accuses Democrats of Inflating It

a reply to: underwerks

trumps the pres he relies on advisers so if they stuff up and he comments in good faith whos falt is that

When the great trumpeter blows the final note on Trump, it will not be heard by his followers. They are deaf.

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: vinifalou
a reply to: underwerks

Right...

By the link you posted it seems like the problem was in the infrastructure that was crappy. I take you won't blame previous administrations for this... ?

I don't believe the problem was the amount of resources transferred to Puerto Rico, given the testimonies from locals that the government had the resources and wasn't sharing with the population.

I get that you believe that.

I’d like to hear your opinion on Trumps statement, which is what this thread is actually about.

Do you think democrats are making up that number to hurt Trump, like he said?

The answer to the question is NO. Trump supporters can not say the Dems are behind the alleged false numbers because they know it's another Trump LIE. Even someone with a limited IQ would know this. So they deflect. But at the same time, they are losing the respect of the rest of us who know how to tell simple truths.

a reply to: Butterfinger

Diseases, even 'simple' ones propagate in times of disaster
people fleeing, unwitingly carrying germs, 'going home' ...

They're all un-tracable by the nature of the events

Months after trauma day 1
People are still dying, in isolated areas
from cmplications of Thyphoide, Diptheria.. whatever

But who cares right ?
A small number of deaths here and there...
not quite on 9/11 proportions
...

The next "NATIONAL CATASTROPHIY"
will land over night or maybe tomorrow
i don't reel reassured by Trump

I remember watching a show (Drug, Inc. I think it was) that showed how Puerto Rico was a major hub for drugs coming into the US. Of course, the drugs that stayed in PR was a big problem. It's hard to forget seeing a naked man walking the street looking for his next fix with his intestines hanging out of a hole in his stomach.

"Dude! You need to go to the hospital! You're guts are hanging out!"

"Nah, I'm OK."

When that hurricane hit PR, I couldn't help but think of all the addicts that weren't going to be getting their fix. I'm sure a significant percentage of those 3000 reported deaths were drug related. Blame Trump if you want, but just imagine any major city in the US if the supply of illegal drugs suddenly went to zero for a few months.

originally posted by: MiddleInsite

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: vinifalou
a reply to: underwerks

Right...

By the link you posted it seems like the problem was in the infrastructure that was crappy. I take you won't blame previous administrations for this... ?

I don't believe the problem was the amount of resources transferred to Puerto Rico, given the testimonies from locals that the government had the resources and wasn't sharing with the population.

I get that you believe that.

I’d like to hear your opinion on Trumps statement, which is what this thread is actually about.

Do you think democrats are making up that number to hurt Trump, like he said?

The answer to the question is NO. Trump supporters can not say the Dems are behind the alleged false numbers because they know it's another Trump LIE. Even someone with a limited IQ would know this. So they deflect. But at the same time, they are losing the respect of the rest of us who know how to tell simple truths.

No trump is wrong this wasn't an attempt to hurt him. The report actually placed blame on puerto rico's govt. However certain people are trying to use this against him and blamed him for the deaths. No where in this report does it blame Trump. So what we have is a report that was written to scam money is being used as a political cudgel. The people that wrote this report did nothing but scam money from government grants. Next they could continue researching cow farts.

Given the responses from some in this thread I guess we should go back and fix the number of deaths in previous disasters.

Most of the people that died in Katrina didn’t die during the storm, but from the lack of response from the federal government afterward, so take them out of the total.

All the people who died from respiratory problems after 9/11 didn’t die exactly when the towers fell, so they shouldn’t count in the total number of deaths either.

It seems short of having video of someone being sucked into the air and out into the ocean Trump defenders aren’t going to believe the hurricane had anything to do with these peoples deaths.

But then again they’d probably be screaming about Democrat cgi if there was a video like that.

Unreal.

a reply to: dragonridr


What this thread is about is Trump blaming the Dems for fudging the numbers to hurt him. That is a lie. You know and I know it. And your comment was another deflection.

My question to you is this? And it is a simple one. Do you think the Democrats are behind fudging the death toll numbers to hurt Trump like the President alleges?

Trump has a point ...TPTB don't normally count indirect effects unless they have an agenda...

a reply to: Xcalibur254

I live on the island, but I can say that most of the death were of indirect causes. Lack of power and people depending on life support etc. There were SOME direct causes but mostly people who refused to listen to reason.

(Though I could have been one of them had i been hit by a flying piece of zinc roof.) However the bigger problem was that alot of money was donated and several leftist socialists kept some for themselves and withheld some help to try and make trump look bad.

Most people here are indoctrinated by telemundo and will believe whatever the media tells them. The other tragedy was the restoration of power which took months. (I myself was without power for 3 months) There are some mountainous areas without power still till this day.

I was inside the eye of a cat five storm, (Drunk and giving it the finger while crap was flying around.) I took some nice footage too from a friends house.

Oh and btw, I named it "Haarp" for a reason because there was alot of chemtrails RIGHT BEFORE landfall. To the point where the heat was unbearable. Almost as if it boosted the amount of steam into the atmosphere.


But maybe its my anger of having to go through that hell that is speaking to me. But everytime there is a storm, many of us in the island know that the bigger storm is the one called government. Especially those leaning towards socialism.

But nope, the death toll from what I have seen ( and ive gone with my dad to look around the island) there was not that high of a death toll. Yes people died but the majority of indirect causes.)

originally posted by: underwerks
Given the responses from some in this thread I guess we should go back and fix the number of deaths in previous disasters.

Most of the people that died in Katrina didn’t die during the storm, but from the lack of response from the federal government afterward, so take them out of the total.

All the people who died from respiratory problems after 9/11 didn’t die exactly when the towers fell, so they shouldn’t count in the total number of deaths either.

It seems short of having video of someone being sucked into the air and out into the ocean Trump defenders aren’t going to believe the hurricane had anything to do with these peoples deaths.

But then again they’d probably be screaming about Democrat cgi if there was a video like that.

Unreal.

Cause and effect. That’s how death tolls work.

1,245 people died in the hurricane and subsequent floods in Katrina. If a guy dies of complications from Katrina 50 years later, I guess you would increase the death toll, but of course Bush wouldn’t be around anymore so you probably wouldn’t bother.

originally posted by: howtonhawky

originally posted by: Bluntone22
So did the hurricane kill these people or the piss poor handling of the crisis by the Puerto rican government?

Trump sent money and emergency supplies and the locals dropped the ball.
They deserve more blame than the hurricane.

Who owns that government?

Passing that buck is like throwing a boomerang.

You dont know much of the differences between a State and a Commonwealth , do you ?
Puerto Rico is its own government as any other Commonwealth of the United States of America is.

Research before you post.

originally posted by: Bluntone22
So did the hurricane kill these people or the piss poor handling of the crisis by the Puerto rican government?

Trump sent money and emergency supplies and the locals dropped the ball.
They deserve more blame than the hurricane.

You're aware that Puerto Rico is part of the United States of America, right?

In the medical community, of which I am a part, if you have a major illness such as a stroke or a heart attack you can die up to six months later and that original illness will be listed as your cause of death. This situation is similar. If you have hypertension and a hurricane comes through that causes you to be unable to get your medication and you have a stroke and die then the hurricane is the cause of your death since without the storm you would have had your medication. That's where some of this comes from. That's how death counts for these things have always been done. The increase in the death toll has zero to do with Donald Trump and everything to do with the aftermath of the storm. Trump has made this about himself, like he does with everything.

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: Jefferton

Trump 2020 bitch...

a reply to: Xcalibur254

You want to talk about politicizing tragedies?...
Your left-wing media has gone as far as claiming that "Trump is complicit for dangerous storm/Florence."

Another hurricane is about to batter our coast. Trump is complicit.

As for who is to blame for the death toll in Puerto Rico?... The government of Puerto Rico and the very left-wing policies that have been implemented there...

As I wrote on another thread, democrats/liberals seem to be imitating Fidel Castro... He would also blame everything on the U.S., but this time the left wants to blame the right/republicans/conservatives for "natural weather..."

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: Xcalibur254

You want to talk about politicizing tragedies?...
Your left-wing media has gone as far as claiming that "Trump is complicit for dangerous storm/Florence."

Another hurricane is about to batter our coast. Trump is complicit.

As for who is to blame for the death toll in Puerto Rico?... The government of Puerto Rico and the very left-wing policies that have been implemented there...

As I wrote on another thread, democrats/liberals seem to be imitating Fidel Castro... He would also blame everything on the U.S., but this time the left wants to blame the right/republicans/conservatives for "natural weather..."

But her emails!!

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
They perceive Trump's words as an attempt to politicize tragedy. Which, of course, is absolutely abhorrent.

So ATS, what are your thoughts on this? Is Trump actually right? Or did he go too far in trying to make himself look good?

Well, first off, you may not be form around here. (and from around here, I mean Earth) The MSM is all about politicizing a tragedy as they are monetizing one.

But the Puerto Rico thing is a double edged sword.
Link to story about corruption in the PR govenment.

If the leadership was more interested in helping it's people, and less interested in "getting Trump", thing may have been vastly different.

But you spin this however "they" tell you to. Good boy.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Having worked for FEMA in the past as part of a DHS contract I can factually tell you that any local US administration will raise death tolls to get FEMA money. Different elements of the Federal Gov't will help them do this. Guam did it, Puerto Rico did it, and the coastal states do it.

They use some clever trickery claiming deaths that are incidental to the storm. An example I remember is where the loca gov't claimed someone who had a clear demonstrable history of heart problems who died 2 days following the typhoon was declared a death from the typhoon.

I was intimately involved in Super Typhoon Pongsona in Guam circa 2002 which was a cat 5. I was there for the typhoon, aftermath and following years on the island. 26 people died, that's it. I seriously doubt upwards of 3000 died from Typhoon Maria which was a cat 4. I care not who did the study and don't have time to look into it but I believe it is flawed. And yes I've been to Puerto Rico and have an idea of their buildings, infrastructure and island.

I get to deal with Super Typhoon Mangkhut coming to southern China in 2 days!

originally posted by: Bluntone22
So did the hurricane kill these people or the piss poor handling of the crisis by the Puerto rican government?

Holy Crap.

Their Government is the US Government.

Here, try this:

"So did the hurricane kill these people or the piss poor handling of the crisis by the South Carolinian government?"

Sounds weird, doesn't it?

Trump is a tard, no doubt.