Rejecting Puerto Rican Death Toll, Trump Accuses Democrats of Inflating It

a reply to: Nyiah

It's not the Federal government's fault that the local government mismanaged and bankrupted the public power company.

a reply to: Jefferton

Trump 2020 bitch...

Seeing as how the left has been on a rampage lately to decide what is and isn't a fact lately, I'm actually going to be skeptical on that number.

Censorship and a push to control "facts" on the internet have me wanting to question anything claimed to be a fact, by anyone. Especially so if that "fact" is well timed to make someone look good or bad.

originally posted by: lordcomac
Seeing as how the left has been on a rampage lately to decide what is and isn't a fact lately, I'm actually going to be skeptical on that number.

Censorship and a push to control "facts" on the internet have me wanting to question anything claimed to be a fact, by anyone. Especially so if that "fact" is well timed to make someone look good or bad.

Who on the “left” is the number coming from? Are there secret Democrat operatives inside George Washington University fudging the numbers to make Trump look bad?

Lol.

originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: vinifalou

It's not a false claim unless proven to be false. It's baseless, because he did not provided any proofs to back his claims. So there's this difference, but I believe you know that already.

Trumps comments have already been proven false. All it takes is a reading of the methodology used in the study.

PDF of Study

So I guess you read these 69 pages before sending me the link?

Or you just blindly trusting the establishment?

a reply to: lordcomac


whatever you do don't pay attention to trumps daily lies. lol

originally posted by: carewemust
How many people die every year in Puerto Rico? Historical comparison of deaths year to year is where you start the investigation.

According to the investigators from George Washington University., that is where they started.

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: Jefferton

Trump 2020 bitch...

Oh I hope so!
You guys will be unbelievably hilarious after 4 more years!

FROM YOUR LINK:

According to interviews with Puerto Rico
Government agency personnel, at the time of the
hurricane, neither the Department of Public Safety
(DPS) nor the Central Communications Office in the
Governor’s Office had written crisis and emergency
risk communication plans in place

a reply to: underwerks

So yeah it was totally probably not the corrupt inept government of puerto rico that completely F-ed up...

definitely that dastardly trump....

originally posted by: efabian

originally posted by: Bluntone22
So did the hurricane kill these people or the piss poor handling of the crisis by the Puerto rican government?

Trump sent money and emergency supplies and the locals dropped the ball.
They deserve more blame than the hurricane.

Could not agree more. I live here and experienced first-hand the incompetence of the central government, specially when dealing with the rural areas of Puerto Rico. Most of the funds and supplies were witheld and rerouted to the capital San Juan.

It is a disgrace that the opposing party are using this to criticize the Presiden.

How do you know this?

Do you have proof or is this conspiracy thinking?

originally posted by: vinifalou

originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: vinifalou

It's not a false claim unless proven to be false. It's baseless, because he did not provided any proofs to back his claims. So there's this difference, but I believe you know that already.

Trumps comments have already been proven false. All it takes is a reading of the methodology used in the study.

PDF of Study

So I guess you read these 69 pages before sending me the link?

Or you just blindly trusting the establishment?

Yep. This has been debated and talked about all day long over multiple forums. As usual, ATS is the last to bring it up.

That seems to be the case with any obvious lie Trump tells.

originally posted by: smkymcnugget420

FROM YOUR LINK:

According to interviews with Puerto Rico
Government agency personnel, at the time of the
hurricane, neither the Department of Public Safety
(DPS) nor the Central Communications Office in the
Governor’s Office had written crisis and emergency
risk communication plans in place

a reply to: underwerks

So yeah it was totally probably not the corrupt inept government of puerto rico that completely F-ed up...

definitely that dastardly trump....

America is the government of Puerto Rico.

(We really need a facepalm emoji)

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: howtonhawky

Even using the death rates isn't a perfect indication.

If somebody died because of infection 6 months after the hurricane hit and there are antibiotics sitting in a store room on the island. Does that death come as a result of the storm or the lack of organizational control by their government?

Where or when can we draw the line?

I think you mean our government?

That is what i am attempting to project here that we the people let this happen.

a reply to: vinifalou

he didn't.... because if he did he would have noticed the multiple references to the inadequacy prepared local government as being that main cause

a reply to: Annee

I live here, I was involved in some efforts to get the supplies to where they needed to go. Many of the aid that was supposed to go to rural areas was "stuck" in bureaucratic circles.

The locals were furious but not much could be done at the time.

As in proof, I guess that I could try to find some local articles about it. (fair warning, all are in Spanish)

a reply to: underwerks

It isn't completely. Get your fact straight dud.

a reply to: underwerks

The government of Puerto Rico is a republican form of government with separation of powers, subject to the jurisdiction and sovereignty of the United States.

I thought Trump was the President of the United States, not AMERICA.

Maybe I'm too dumb in geography.

originally posted by: smkymcnugget420
a reply to: vinifalou

he didn't.... because if he did he would have noticed the multiple references to the inadequacy prepared local government as being that main cause

That’s only one part you’re taking out of context to support your argument.

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: vinifalou

originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: vinifalou

It's not a false claim unless proven to be false. It's baseless, because he did not provided any proofs to back his claims. So there's this difference, but I believe you know that already.

Trumps comments have already been proven false. All it takes is a reading of the methodology used in the study.

PDF of Study

So I guess you read these 69 pages before sending me the link?

Or you just blindly trusting the establishment?

Yep. This has been debated and talked about all day long over multiple forums. As usual, ATS is the last to bring it up.

That seems to be the case with any obvious lie Trump tells.

Kellyanne taught him how to use "alternative facts". But sadly it's ineffectual.

But both the Puerto Rican government, and the U.S. government fell short.

A hospital ship with no patients. 20,000 cases of water still sitting on the runway.

Whose fault? Both.

originally posted by: vinifalou
a reply to: underwerks

The government of Puerto Rico is a republican form of government with separation of powers, subject to the jurisdiction and sovereignty of the United States.

I thought Trump was the President of the United States, not AMERICA.

Maybe I'm too dumb in geography.

Thanks for proving me right.

subject to the jurisdiction and sovereignty of the United States.