Lunar landing hoax, facts that prove we haven't left the earths atmosphere.

originally posted by: ZIPMATT
OK what this tells us is that we've got you down to " magnetosphere " .

Are you abandoning your other points?

There's an answer for everything except that .

There is an answer for everything including that.

All you are quite clearly suffering from confirmation bias , where that because you've already accepted a big lie , you'll accept anything that confirms it without question . If for no otherfreason than to save face
When Goebels said ,"the bigger the lie the more people believe it" he wasn't wrong , so it's not your fault .

Pot? Kettle?

If you went outside of the magnetosphere , you'd black out quickly , fact .

Show us this fact.

Therefore nobody went to the moon yet , as the spacesuits system did not provide an alternative electrical field conducive to thought and other bodily communication eg digestion .

Makes no sense at all.

What the spacesuit is, in fact, is a nice safe self-contained version of what we have down here on Earth that allows them to travel outside the magnetosphere.

www.windows2universe.org.../earth/Atmosphere/exosphere_temperature.html
This explains how it works.

a reply to: maxzen2004

I suggest YOU find out the difference between heat & temperature

a reply to: OneBigMonkeyToo

The space suits provide protection from the UV rays, but they provide limited protection from particle radiation, gamma, and x rays.

The suit will stop alpha, and I believe beta radiation, but gamma and x-ray radiation go right through.

That being said we don't send astronauts on EVAs during high solar activity or if we do they try to make the EVA as short as possible.

originally posted by: ZIPMATT
a reply to: Soylent Green Is People

You would black out because the protection of the magnetosphere was lacking , protection a space suit cannot provide.

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The idea that the fibrous materials, such as in the insulation in the sandwich layers of the Apollo spacecraft, or the layers of material in a space suit, can partially stop the cosmic radiation you are talking about (a percentage of the cosmic radiation that is stopped by the magnetosphere). This is known to science in general -- it's not "just a NASA thing".

Granted, the shielding used by Apollo isn't perfect and it does not do as good a job as the magnetosphere, which is why exposure times must be limited. The longest Apollo mission was about 2 weeks, which is getting near the limits of a relatively safe amount of exposure for both that cosmic radiation that the shielding does not stop and EM radiation.

I say "relatively safe" because the astronauts did in fact receive a higher exposure than the average person, which of course carries with it a slightly elevated risk of health issues later. However, the Apollo astronauts were test pilots (one of the most dangerous professions at the time), and this risk was not greater than the risks they faced everyday as test pilots before becoming astronauts.

a reply to: ZIPMATT

These electrical impulses the mind and body constantly use are finely tuned and operate within the magnetosphere only , not outside of it .

So who was the dead astronaut that confirmed this?

Or are you saying the monkeys and dogs sent up all came back dead so humans were never sent?

a reply to: OneBigMonkeyToo

What the spacesuit is, in fact, is a nice safe self-contained version of what we have down here on Earth that allows them to travel outside the magnetosphere.

If you count travelling as a vegetable shortly to become a dead body , of course it is .

You need to explain how absolutely necessary bodily electrical impulses work, short of being within the electrical field within which they were designed to work .

Radiation is one thing , electrical fields are another . Answer the other .
You need a spinning mass such as the Earth to generate the correct electrical field for living in . Outside of the field , you're a goner

originally posted by: InhaleExhale
a reply to: ZIPMATT

These electrical impulses the mind and body constantly use are finely tuned and operate within the magnetosphere only , not outside of it .

So who was the dead astronaut that confirmed this?

Or are you saying the monkeys and dogs sent up all came back dead so humans were never sent?

Well, Laika the dog died (it was planned as a one-way mission all along), as did some of the monkeys, some of whom died on impact due to improper parachutes. However, other monkeys did survive.

a reply to: ZIPMATT

And you have yet to provide any support for your claim that the suits and spacecraft do not protect them or allow them to function normally. Your understanding of human biology, as well as space travel, seems fundamentally flawed.

Provide some evidence that supports your claim.

Tell us exactly at which point the astronaut dies.

Working at a Aerospace Manufacturer I have access to some gifted engineers,

Is it Dark Ages Engineering?

a reply to: Soylent Green Is People

Since you're still arguing the wrong point weI'll have to assume you haven't got an answer .
Its not about protection from radiation but it is about even being able to think or lift a finger outside of the magnetosphere .

Within the magnetosphere , which is an electrical field which governs everything within it , you can live, breathe , move think .
Outside of the magnetosphere , you can do none of these things

a reply to: ZIPMATT

And yet plenty of EVA where the astronauts performed there job perfectly adequately and came home just fine.

Sounds like you are suggesting electrical activity, or at least bio-electrical activity, requires a gravitational field to function?

originally posted by: ZIPMATT
a reply to: OneBigMonkeyToo
You need to explain how absolutely necessary bodily electrical impulses work

They work by neurons generating electrochemical impulses using positively and negatively charged ions such as Sodium and Potassium.
www.quora.com...

Neurons transmit electrical impulses by allowing the passage of charged ions across their membranes in response to stimuli, changing the charge of the neuron in a process that propagates through the axon of the neuron. Normally, neurons maintain an internal negative charge relative to their environment by excluding sodium ions from their cytoplasm. When activated, sodium channels open up, allowing sodium ions to flood in and neutralising the charge.

Earth's magnetic field has nothing to do with this (apart from protecting living organisms from radiation).

a reply to: OneBigMonkeyToo

Tell us exactly at which point the astronaut dies.

When he exits the magnetosphere , he begins to quickly die . Not from solar radiation or heat , he is protected from that . But he dies because his body is no longer able to co-ordinate .
If you put a magnet under iron filings , you get a pattern , because there is an electromagnetic field there . When you take it away , a chaotic spread may resume . The protection and regular order of the magnetosphere is constant , except when you go outside of it's influence , whereupon disorder rules over the electrical impulses the body needs to function

The magnet works it magic upon the iron filings ,through the paper , just as the geomagnetic field we live in operates everywhere , except outside of itself . It works through the space suits , until those suits bodies go outside it's influence , whereupon death results

originally posted by: ZIPMATT
a reply to: OneBigMonkeyToo

What the spacesuit is, in fact, is a nice safe self-contained version of what we have down here on Earth that allows them to travel outside the magnetosphere.

If you count travelling as a vegetable shortly to become a dead body , of course it is .

You need to explain how absolutely necessary bodily electrical impulses work, short of being within the electrical field within which they were designed to work .

Radiation is one thing , electrical fields are another . Answer the other .
You need a spinning mass such as the Earth to generate the correct electrical field for living in . Outside of the field , you're a goner

I'm confused about what you are saying here.

The electrical field created by the Earth spinning is what creates Earth's natural shielding from cosmic particle radiation. So outside of that natural shielding (outside of the magnetosphere) we would need some sort of artificial shielding if we wanted to remain beyond it for more than a couple of days.

It is the fibrous insulation of the Apollo spacecraft and the layers of the spacesuit that provide this artificial shielding protection that the magnetosphere usually provides. Newer spacecraft are using polyethylene plastics as shielding from cosmic rays.

But what I'm confused about is your statement about bodily electrical impulses and the magnetosphere. Are you implying that our bodies somehow use the magnetosphere to drive the electrical impulses in our bodies, and thus our bodies would not work outside of the magnetosphere?

If so, please provide some additional information that explains this. I've never heard that before -- nor frankly does it really make any sense, going by what we know about how the body works.

originally posted by: ZIPMATT
a reply to: OneBigMonkeyToo
The protection and regular order of the magnetosphere is constant , except when you go outside of it's influence , whereupon disorder rules the electrical impulses the body needs to function

Except our bodies generate and regulate their own electrical impulses, regardless of the earth's magnetic field. See my post above

a reply to: Soylent Green Is People

But what I'm confused about is your statement about bodily electrical impulses and the magnetosphere. Are you implying that our bodies somehow use the magnetosphere to drive the electrical impulses in our bodies, and thus our bodies would not work outside of the magnetosphere?

They don'tusethe magnetosphere but our bodies require it to function normally.

and thus our bodies would not work outside of the magnetosphere?

Yes you're getting there , and thus man didn;t go the moon

originally posted by: ZIPMATT
a reply to: Soylent Green Is People

But what I'm confused about is your statement about bodily electrical impulses and the magnetosphere. Are you implying that our bodies somehow use the magnetosphere to drive the electrical impulses in our bodies, and thus our bodies would not work outside of the magnetosphere?

They don'tusethe magnetosphere but our bodies require it to function normally.

OK. You can say that, but saying it does not make it true. We have known for more than a century how the chemicals within our bodies create the electrical impulses that make our bodies work, but those chemical reactions don't depend on the magnetosphere. They are simply chemical reactions; no magnetosphere required.

It sounds as if you're just making that crap up.

Let's say you were one of those iron filings , constantly subjected to spinning magnet .

If you were removed from its sphere of influence , what would you be ?

The answer is you would be an inanimate , or dead iron filing

originally posted by: ZIPMATT

Let's say you were one of those iron filings , constantly subjected to spinning magnet .

If you were removed from its sphere of influence , what would you be ?

The answer is you would be an inanimate , or dead iron filing

And if I were an iron filing dependant on being oriented by a magnet, I'd be concerned.

Thankfully the ion channels and receptors in my body are not dependent on any specific magnetism like the orientation of those iron filings are.