What exactly makes the rich the "producers" that deserve so much?

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

Thats the Matrix keeping you in fear. There are many rich people who walk the streets that are humble and you wouldn't know them from looking at them.


Then- what's the problem with them? THOSE people, I have no problem with. You can be worth millions, and as long as I don't get it rubbed in my face that you've got yours, and #*&^ me for not having as much- you can go do wealthy people stuff day in and day out.
I'm talking about the ones who make SURE you know they are rich, and act like we're all serfs and peasants to be sh&t on at their whim.

originally posted by: deadlyhope
a reply to: TrueBrit

That describes small business, which I am totally for, and describes people making possibly 6-7 figures. Not trust-fund dynasties where billions are just inherited. No one can describe why 1% of the population should have half of the wealth, when their usefulness is a fraction, of a fraction, of a fraction...

Well that describes Tesco's .... a very large company now but started by

one man Jack Cohen with the policy of 'Stack em high and sell them cheap'

Something that can be done by anyone with work ethics and ambition!!

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: AthlonSavage

What does it tell you?...let me take a guess...whether you are one of the 1% or the other 99% you are still the same human with a certain level of "predator" within.

Yeah that’s what it comes down to the “predator” mentality. The French peasants suddenly got a sense of that when they had their revolution.

originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: deadlyhope
a reply to: TrueBrit

That describes small business, which I am totally for, and describes people making possibly 6-7 figures. Not trust-fund dynasties where billions are just inherited. No one can describe why 1% of the population should have half of the wealth, when their usefulness is a fraction, of a fraction, of a fraction...

Well that describes Tesco's .... a very large company now but started by

one man Jack Cohen with the policy of 'Stack em high and sell them cheap'

Something that can be done by anyone with work ethics and ambition!!

It can’t be done by anyone with work ethics and ambition or everyone with such would all be running their own business and competing against each other. That’s not how monopoly’s work.

You know as well as I do their are plenty of people with work ethics and ambition that never become rich or successful, certainly not billionaires anyway.

Rather It’s the lack of ethics that often makes certain businesses rich and successful.

originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: deadlyhope
a reply to: TrueBrit

That describes small business, which I am totally for, and describes people making possibly 6-7 figures. Not trust-fund dynasties where billions are just inherited. No one can describe why 1% of the population should have half of the wealth, when their usefulness is a fraction, of a fraction, of a fraction...

Well that describes Tesco's .... a very large company now but started by

one man Jack Cohen with the policy of 'Stack em high and sell them cheap'

Something that can be done by anyone with work ethics and ambition!!

It can’t be done by anyone with work ethics and ambition or everyone with such would all be running their own business and competing against each other. That’s not how monopoly’s work.

You know as well as I do their are plenty of people with work ethics and ambition that never become rich or successful, certainly not billionaires anyway.

Rather It’s the lack of ethics that often makes certain businesses rich and successful.

a reply to: surfer_soul
your contradicting yourself. Work ethics and ambition are two seperate things. Just because one has work ethic does not mean one is ambitious. The men who mine our coal and oil are very hard workers, typically with good ethics if they decide to continue for years and years. However, without ambition, they will forever be working someone else's mine. If they had ambition, they would take action to open their own mines, which ironically if you do some researching it takes very little to stake a claim in this country for mining.

Many barber with ambition open their own barbershops. Many divers with ambition open their own dive shops. Many retail workers or laborers work hard to open their own little bodega stores.

The point is if someone had ambition, they would not be slaving or even complaining about slaving for someone else. They would be taking action to work for themselves. Get a truck, buy some lawn equipment, and go secure your own contracts. Thats ambition. Cutting grass for a pittance but doing ot because it makes you happy while working for someone else. Its good work ethic, but not ambitious.

Do you get it now??

originally posted by: NthOther
It's their f# business, not yours.

Go start your own business and see how lazy you can get away with being.

Or do you "deserve" to succeed just by simply existing?

No one owes you dick. Get over it.

Bears repeating.

The socialist mantra of "take from others the fruits of their labor".

Of course not everyone is success even if they have a lot of work ethic and ambition. So what... businesses fail everyday. However, if you don't try, the only thing guaranteed is that you don't succeed.

Starting a business in particular is extremely risky hence why the owner(s) reap most of the reward. It takes some serious balls to risk your savings, your house, your family life, and everything else to start a business that still may fail. When entrepreneurs do that, you are damn right they want most of the reward.

Funny thing is the people complaining about how much a business owner makes are no where to be found when a business fails. I tried to start a business a few years ago. I lost $50k in cash. Had I been successful, you money grubbers would be trying to tax me to death. However, I don't see none of you trying to help me recoup the $50k I lost starting the business.

I'm going to try to start another business and yes, I will be keeping every dime of profit I can. It is my money that is being put up on the line to get it off the ground.

If you money grubbers want to pay your employees $50/hr for slinging boxes and the CEO $25k/yr then by all means, please go start your own business and run it the way you think everyone else should be running theirs. Show the world your way works...

a reply to: wylekat

Sure there are those around - I find "what you focus on you tend to attract". I don't seem to run into those that want to rub it in my face.

a reply to: projectvxn

The funny thing is that they see Bezos as the big bad evil. Where do you draw the line. Its quite easy to accomplish owning 3 properties and renting them out. Are they going to go after people with 2 million in assets next?

Where do you draw the line - one day they'll wake up to find they don't even own the shirt on their back because it was taken off them to "take from others the fruits of their labor" for their socialist commie utopia.

a reply to: Edumakated

If you money grubbers want to pay your employees $50/hr for slinging boxes and the CEO $25k/yr then by all means, please go start your own business and run it the way you think everyone else should be running theirs. Show the world your way works...

reposted! So true.

They should also give their net profits to Government just so there is more to go around to the "neeeedy"

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

I find "what you focus on you tend to attract".

I have the opposite thing going on.

My focus and interests are not on that... I have other things to worry about. But- I also seem to attract the cream of society sometimes. :/ I am the type that can find a completely secluded spot- no one around, relax, and within 10 minutes, some fool is trying to sit on top of me.

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: Edumakated

If you money grubbers want to pay your employees $50/hr for slinging boxes and the CEO $25k/yr then by all means, please go start your own business and run it the way you think everyone else should be running theirs. Show the world your way works...

reposted! So true.

They should also give their net profits to Government just so there is more to go around to the "neeeedy"

Exactly. There is nothing stopping them from starting their own companies, paying all employees down to the janitor a "living wage", paying 100% income tax, and ensuring the executives don't make more 10x's the lowest paid employee. I'm sure investors will be lining up to buy a share...

a reply to: worldstarcountry

I brought up work ethics and ambition in a direct reply to Eletheia who was saying that’s all someone needs to become rich. I understand the difference between the two and pointed out having good work ethics isn’t what makes a business successful.
Nor is ambition, you can be as ambitious as possible and still not get anywhere in your endeavours.

I have my own business so know how to run one. I pay my workers a fair an decent wage and in return they work hard and don’t slack when I have my back turned. The ones that don’t pull their weight are dressed down by their colleagues not me, because nobody wants to be carrying somebody else. It’s a team effort and like any team we all need to cooperate.

I think what the OP and others are getting at is the huge disparity between corporate CEO’s and the regular employees. They aren’t saying everyone should be on equal pay or we need to go communist! As a business owner I don’t get it either, it comes down to pure greed at the end of the day. Squeezing out as much profit as possible by reducing costs and overhead as much as possible including people’s salaries. I understand businesses need to be competitive to succeed but are profit margins the be all and end all?

This is why we have regulations and codes of practice and such otherwise might as well just go back to employing children and slave labour.

a reply to: Edumakated

Yeah it’s some investors that are the problem. They think they can throw some cash at something sit on their backsides and watch that cash grow.

Investors who actually get involved in steering a business into success because they know that business inside out deserve their compensation.

Raising capital and then paying it back with all the interest on top is what most start ups struggle with. You need a really good idea and a demand that you can supply and enough time to get established. Some investors just don’t seem to realise that.

originally posted by: surfer_soul


You know as well as I do their are plenty of people with work ethics and ambition that never become rich or successful, certainly not billionaires anyway.

Is it necessary to be a billionaire to be considered successful?

Is that the bench mark for success?

I know people with business's who are considered successful and

rich they have more than enough for their needs and luxuries.....

but are not billionaire's.

originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: surfer_soul


You know as well as I do their are plenty of people with work ethics and ambition that never become rich or successful, certainly not billionaires anyway.

Is it necessary to be a billionaire to be considered successful?

Is that the bench mark for success?

I know people with business's who are considered successful and

rich they have more than enough for their needs and luxuries.....

but are not billionaire's.

No, success has no direct relation to how much money you make.
Success is simply achieving some goal. It has no relation to monetary value
Except of course as perceived by some as such.

Look at it like the lottery. One can't win unless one plays & the odds are highly unlikely one will win. We all have opportunities to make money. From hard work and/or creating a great business/invention, to being a criminal, to being on the government dole, to winning the lottery or getting an inheritance. Most have a risk/reward mentality & those who are willing to take the most risk, get the most reward. Those who value stability, get less of a reward but with little to no risk. For every successful person, there are multiple people who have failed. Life is not fair for anyone, even the animals. Which seagull gets the french fry? The important thing to know is that money was originally earned through hard work. Without the incentive to work hard and/or take risk, there is little to no reward. Also, if one throws enough sh!t at the wall some will stick, invest in as many different things as you are willing to risk investing in.

a reply to: Edumakated

You're not addressing anything at all.

You'll never be a billionaire.

Never.

Therefore, I'm not addressing you and your successful or failed businesses.

a reply to: projectvxn

That's actually literally the capitalist way.

Exploit others and their labor, and pocket the money made from that labor. Literally outsourcing labor to sweat shops that pay pennies.

Again, anyone reading this, I'm probably not talking about you. Unless we have billionaires in our midst..