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originally posted by: Woodcarver
a reply to: cooperton
Any way you look at it, chemistry is how life functions. Do you agree?
Yes meaning humans are even more complex than cars because of their ability to reproduce. Imagine a car self-assembling, and then also having the ability to reproduce - that is the assertion of evolutionary theory.
In light of what we see in quantum physics, this is a perfect match. The classical physical laws must be replaced, or at least submit to, the developments in quantum physics. With this comes a removal of all matter-based origin theories. If you can let go of such a material anchor, your worldview opens up to an endless realm of possibility. We don't have to keep taking the blue pill
originally posted by: Phantom423
You're hopeless. Would you please post a credible link where any scientist has ever published an example of self-assembly using a car.
originally posted by: Phantom423
Please post a citation where any physicist has ever said that matter-based origin theories must be removed. I can't wait for that one....................
In the meantime, I'll seek comfort in my inhaler.
originally posted by: cooperton
originally posted by: Woodcarver
a reply to: cooperton
Any way you look at it, chemistry is how life functions. Do you agree?
Some see consciousness as an incident of chemistry, but quantum experiment demonstrates that chemistry is subservient to consciousness. The field of epigenetics is demonstrating the vast variability of our biochemistry as it relates to our state of being. Psychoneuroendocrinology is an exhausting word that essentially means the effect of your psychology on the release of hormones.
I see these properties as being a means by which mind manifests. I see the primordial Mind as God, and we are the children that inherit this conscious awareness. the word 'matter' comes from the Latin 'mater', meaning "mother" which was the conception of the Father Mind.
In light of what we see in quantum physics, this is a perfect match. The classical physical laws must be replaced, or at least submit to, the developments in quantum physics. With this comes a removal of all matter-based origin theories. If you can let go of such a material anchor, your worldview opens up to an endless realm of possibility. We don't have to keep taking the blue pill
If Max Planck thinks we have to Assume anything. He is wrong. Science assumes nothing.
originally posted by: cooperton
originally posted by: Phantom423
You're hopeless. Would you please post a credible link where any scientist has ever published an example of self-assembly using a car.
Ouch, how's that supposed to make me feel?
The point you are unwilling to accept is that it takes intelligent humans to create machines, and the human body, being an organic machine capable of reproduction, far surpasses anything that an intelligent human could create. Therefore, if we momentarily take our heads out of the sand, we can safely assume that the creation of the human being required far more intelligence than human beings currently possess. Sure, you can believe otherwise, but know that it is extremely improbable, and in my mind totally impossible, for the ordered systems we see around us (humans, solar equilibrium, physical laws, etc) to have been created without an intelligent force.
originally posted by: Phantom423
Please post a citation where any physicist has ever said that matter-based origin theories must be removed. I can't wait for that one....................
In the meantime, I'll seek comfort in my inhaler.
Yikes, aren't you sassy today. Here's Max Planck, founding father of quantum physics, summarizing its implications:
originally posted by: cooperton
originally posted by: Phantom423
You're hopeless. Would you please post a credible link where any scientist has ever published an example of self-assembly using a car.
Ouch, how's that supposed to make me feel?
The point you are unwilling to accept is that it takes intelligent humans to create machines, and the human body, being an organic machine capable of reproduction, far surpasses anything that an intelligent human could create. Therefore, if we momentarily take our heads out of the sand, we can safely assume that the creation of the human being required far more intelligence than human beings currently possess. Sure, you can believe otherwise, but know that it is extremely improbable, and in my mind totally impossible, for the ordered systems we see around us (humans, solar equilibrium, physical laws, etc) to have been created without an intelligent force.
originally posted by: Phantom423
Please post a citation where any physicist has ever said that matter-based origin theories must be removed. I can't wait for that one....................
In the meantime, I'll seek comfort in my inhaler.
Yikes, aren't you sassy today. Here's Max Planck, founding father of quantum physics, summarizing its implications:
originally posted by: Woodcarver
You have been reading something outside of the purview of science. You have gone straight into new age science fiction.
originally posted by: TzarChasm
Your entire post right here is the definition of hubris, talking about humans as though we are the pinnacle of evolution and the only being greater than ourselves is angels or gods.
what does Self realization mean to you?
originally posted by: cooperton
originally posted by: Woodcarver
You have been reading something outside of the purview of science. You have gone straight into new age science fiction.
The first paragraph involving epigenetics and neuroendocrinology are big interests of mine in terms of side studies because they demonstrate the cause and effect game that the mind plays on the body. Nothing new agey about it. The second paragraph is my summary of Judeo-Christian philosophy, but those themes are also very prevalent in Hermetic, Greek, and Egyptian philosophy. My third paragraph summarized a marriage of philosophy and biology - mind and body.
originally posted by: TzarChasm
Your entire post right here is the definition of hubris, talking about humans as though we are the pinnacle of evolution and the only being greater than ourselves is angels or gods.
No you have to understand that your nihilistic viewpoint is the type of pessimism that is preventing self-realization in so many these days. It is that type of false humility that renders the seeker idle thinking they have no self-worth. You need to stop spreading such toxic ideology.
interest of yours? Do you study in an academic environment? Or do you read stuff like rupert sheldrake and say you study science. I really want to know your level of commitment that you put into studying science of any sort?
originally posted by: cooperton
originally posted by: Woodcarver
You have been reading something outside of the purview of science. You have gone straight into new age science fiction.
The first paragraph involving epigenetics and neuroendocrinology are big interests of mine in terms of side studies because they demonstrate the cause and effect game that the mind plays on the body. Nothing new agey about it. The second paragraph is my summary of Judeo-Christian philosophy, but those themes are also very prevalent in Hermetic, Greek, and Egyptian philosophy. My third paragraph summarized a marriage of philosophy and biology - mind and body.
originally posted by: TzarChasm
Your entire post right here is the definition of hubris, talking about humans as though we are the pinnacle of evolution and the only being greater than ourselves is angels or gods.
No you have to understand that your nihilistic viewpoint is the type of pessimism that is preventing self-realization in so many these days. It is that type of false humility that renders the seeker idle thinking they have no self-worth. You need to stop spreading such toxic ideology.
originally posted by: cooperton
originally posted by: TzarChasm
Your entire post right here is the definition of hubris, talking about humans as though we are the pinnacle of evolution and the only being greater than ourselves is angels or gods.
No you have to understand that your nihilistic viewpoint is the type of pessimism that is preventing self-realization in so many these days. It is that type of false humility that renders the seeker idle thinking they have no self-worth. You need to stop spreading such toxic ideology.
The reality is evolution is misunderstood at best... it’s well evidenced by the need to be constantly rewriting the theory each time the theory falls apart as real understanding is gained...
originally posted by: Phantom423
a reply to: 5StarOracle
The reality is evolution is misunderstood at best... it’s well evidenced by the need to be constantly rewriting the theory each time the theory falls apart as real understanding is gained...
Ok. So what research have you done? Can you cite any research papers that supports your position?
If the theory falls apart, where is that evidence?
It doesn't matter whether you're pro or con. It's the evidence that counts.
A quadrillion examples showing millions of species, over recorded history, being the same species.... It is not only evidence against the evolution claim, it is overwhelming proof that evolution is pure nonsense. Evolution supporters simply ignore all of the actual, indisputable evidence, as if it didn't even exist. If they choose to deny all the evidence, or make excuses for not being evidence, at all..then sadly, these people cannot accept the truth. For whatever reasons.