The Secret to Nothing

Could it be that the concept of “nothing” or “nothingness” cannot exist in physical reality? Think about it for a minute. Whether we imagine the space between planets in our solar system, the farthest or most remote location in the vastness of the universe, every single spec of space contains gases at the very least.

To put it more simply, imagine you walk into a dark room, you switch on the light and see there is only a chair in the centre and “nothing” else. You might think to yourself, “I can’t believe there is nothing but a chair in here!” but what of the molecules/particles that make up the atmosphere of the room like gases and light, or life not visible with the naked eye like bacteria?

On the internet, I have many times come across the argument that “something cannot come from nothing”, especially in relation to the origins of life itself. But, what if there was never really nothing and there has always been something, just that all energy was arranged in a different way so that life or consciousness did not have the awareness to recognise itself before, whereas now it does?

Or another analogy: imagine you are swimming in a big pool and decide to swim underwater for a bit. When you are underwater, all your movements and anything you do will be under the immersion of water. There would be little difference between waving your arms in the pool and waving them outside in the cool air other than one has more liquid and the other has more gas, but importantly, there is always something everywhere whether that’s in solid, liquid or gas form.

Life – and all physical matter – would therefore, in my opinion, be rearrangements of energy that has become aware.

Nothing = lacking anything of form . Not an absolute vacuum

a reply to: DividedByZero

Life – and all physical matter – would therefore, in my opinion, be rearrangements of energy that has become aware.

Then you have to ask yourself the question, how did it become "aware"?

originally posted by: DividedByZero
On the internet, I have many times come across the argument that “something cannot come from nothing”, especially in relation to the origins of life itself. But, what if there was never really nothing and there has always been something, just that all energy was arranged in a different way so that life or consciousness did not have the awareness to recognise itself before, whereas now it does?

Nothing cannot exist.
If it exists then it ceases to be nothing.

Bringing consciousness into the equation could be a mistake.
It is possible that consciousness is just an illusion just as many people theorise the sense of free will is.

The problem lies with our understanding, we are reaching the limits of our understanding and at these limits we are forced into nonsensical theories such as nothingness, self aware matter or even deities.

The unfortunate truth is we don't have a clear explanation for what a thing is leaving any ideas of no thing laughingly lacking.

Be happy that you exist, asking to understand why or how is perhaps asking too much.

originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar
Nothing cannot exist.
If it exists then it ceases to be nothing.

Bringing consciousness into the equation could be a mistake.
It is possible that consciousness is just an illusion just as many people theorise the sense of free will is.

The problem lies with our understanding, we are reaching the limits of our understanding and at these limits we are forced into nonsensical theories such as nothingness, self aware matter or even deities.

The unfortunate truth is we don't have a clear explanation for what a thing is leaving any ideas of no thing laughingly lacking.

Be happy that you exist, asking to understand why or how is perhaps asking too much.

Sorry, but for most of my life I have wondered where we came from, how life began and other big questions about the universe and I will continue to wonder about these things till my last dying breath. It is human nature to be curious after all

Empty space contains at the very least, photons. Am I correct?

Never the less, your opinions are only that with no real substance. I suggest a book by K C Cole, a hole in the universe. this may give you a better idea of what the properties are that you are trying to convey.





a reply to: DividedByZero

originally posted by: DividedByZero
Sorry, but for most of my life I have wondered where we came from, how life began and other big questions about the universe and I will continue to wonder about these things till my last dying breath. It is human nature to be curious after all

I'm with you, I suffer from the exact same illness.

I will also be searching for answers until my last breath also.
Unfortunately that thinking already shows that we don't expect to find these answers.

I often wish I could just believe in the flying spaghetti monster.

Is a foolish answer better than no answer?
I'm really not sure, I envy the religious who aren't burdened by unanswerable questions.

a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

The answers we both seek might very well be unanswerable or unknowable in this physical reality, but we are better off asking the questions and seeking the answers than pretending those questions don't exist.

originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar

originally posted by: DividedByZero
On the internet, I have many times come across the argument that “something cannot come from nothing”, especially in relation to the origins of life itself. But, what if there was never really nothing and there has always been something, just that all energy was arranged in a different way so that life or consciousness did not have the awareness to recognise itself before, whereas now it does?

Nothing cannot exist.
If it exists then it ceases to be nothing.

Bringing consciousness into the equation could be a mistake.
It is possible that consciousness is just an illusion just as many people theorise the sense of free will is.

The problem lies with our understanding, we are reaching the limits of our understanding and at these limits we are forced into nonsensical theories such as nothingness, self aware matter or even deities.

The unfortunate truth is we don't have a clear explanation for what a thing is leaving any ideas of no thing laughingly lacking.

Be happy that you exist, asking to understand why or how is perhaps asking too much.

In my opinion, the only way to look at this is bringing consciousness into the picture. We can only interpret reality through our consciousness. Nothing means no-thing, so space is the absence of perceived objects of consciousness. So there are areas where there are no-things or what we call space. Is there an absolute void or vacuum in this space, no. The ancients tell us that the space of no-things possesses ether which is the potential to manifest things into our reality. They say that space is pure potential.

Serious... en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: DividedByZero

I would love to believe that you are right.

Much like yourself I yams who I yams and will continue to ask.
I just fear that it could be more productive doing something more practical with clear benefits.

Whether it's curing cancer or posting cat pics on the internet, there's an infinite amount of things we could be spending our time on that could be more fruitful.

But I suppose people thought flight was impossible at one stage also.

I have no answers, my greatest offering through decades of asking is a cynical view on the questions.
I guess that's progress

originally posted by: pointessa
In my opinion, the only way to look at this is bringing consciousness into the picture. We can only interpret reality through our consciousness. Nothing means no-thing, so space is the absence of perceived objects of consciousness. So there are areas where there are no-things or what we call space. Is there an absolute void or vacuum in this space, no. The ancients tell us that the space of no-things possesses ether which is the potential to manifest things into our reality. They say that space is pure potential.

Perhaps, however we still don't understand consciousness so framing any answers around consciousness surely will lead us in the wrong direction.

Regarding the ancients, I can only say that ether and potential are things and that much like ourselves they were horribly ill equipped to get the answers.

originally posted by: DividedByZero
Could it be that the concept of “nothing” or “nothingness” cannot exist in physical reality? Think about it for a minute. Whether we imagine the space between planets in our solar system, the farthest or most remote location in the vastness of the universe, every single spec of space contains gases at the very least.

To put it more simply, imagine you walk into a dark room, you switch on the light and see there is only a chair in the centre and “nothing” else. You might think to yourself, “I can’t believe there is nothing but a chair in here!” but what of the molecules/particles that make up the atmosphere of the room like gases and light, or life not visible with the naked eye like bacteria?

On the internet, I have many times come across the argument that “something cannot come from nothing”, especially in relation to the origins of life itself. But, what if there was never really nothing and there has always been something, just that all energy was arranged in a different way so that life or consciousness did not have the awareness to recognise itself before, whereas now it does?

Or another analogy: imagine you are swimming in a big pool and decide to swim underwater for a bit. When you are underwater, all your movements and anything you do will be under the immersion of water. There would be little difference between waving your arms in the pool and waving them outside in the cool air other than one has more liquid and the other has more gas, but importantly, there is always something everywhere whether that’s in solid, liquid or gas form.

Life – and all physical matter – would therefore, in my opinion, be rearrangements of energy that has become aware.

You lost me in the 1st sentence....

If some-thing is in the physical world...it is def. not NOTHING...but SOMETHING

Does Nothing act as a boundary? Does it move if acted upon. Does (N) display gravitational attraction? Does (N) influence regions of space and can mater travel through it? Could any activity take place in it's space? Then where would (N) be displaced to? Does it have movement or is it static?

a reply to: DividedByZero

Could it be that the concept of “nothing” or “nothingness” cannot exist in physical reality?

What if reality (life) is not made of things?

The Philosopher Alan Watts once said 'Thinking is thinging'. Words and labels make believe that life is made of solid real things.....but is it?

a reply to: DividedByZero

We live in a fantasy world, a world of illusion. The great task in life is to find reality. Iris Murdoch.

I would also add that another great task in life is to not only find reality but to also become aware of all forms of reality including the ethereal, which may be the quantum world where particles pop in and out of existence in an instance. So, in one instance there is something, in the next instance there is nothing.

originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: DividedByZero

We live in a fantasy world, a world of illusion. The great task in life is to find reality. Iris Murdoch.

I would also add that another great task in life is to not only find reality but to also become aware of all forms of reality including the ethereal, which may be the quantum world where particles pop in and out of existence in an instance. So, in one instance there is something, in the next instance there is nothing.

There is only the void appearing as what is appearing............a thought pops out and then disappears, a sensation arises and disappears........all that arise falls back to nothing and was made of nothing

The appearance (a thought for example) and what seems to be aware of it, arise as one seamless happening.

Emptiness is forming.

Looks like you've been reading Balisades. If not, you'd enjoy it tremendously.

a reply to: DividedByZero

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: DividedByZero

We live in a fantasy world, a world of illusion. The great task in life is to find reality. Iris Murdoch.

I would also add that another great task in life is to not only find reality but to also become aware of all forms of reality including the ethereal, which may be the quantum world where particles pop in and out of existence in an instance. So, in one instance there is something, in the next instance there is nothing.

There is only the void appearing as what is appearing............a thought pops out and then disappears, a sensation arises and disappears........all that arise falls back to nothing and was made of nothing

The appearance (a thought for example) and what seems to be aware of it, arise as one seamless happening.

Emptiness is forming.

We have no understanding of true reality, so we can only share our realities, our experiences, as they appear. Some people have told me that they have never experienced nothingness or emptiness (those with active minds, those that cannot shut off their minds/consciousness), others can step into emptiness in an instance. We can only share here but we are all on different paths and experiences of personal reality.