Is the NYT op-ed Sedition and Treason

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
*Leans back in comfortable chair, drinks beer and eats pringles whilst grinning at some of the more unhinged comments*

Wow, the level of delusion is high in here. The Orange Emperor is being increasingly revealed for what he is - unstable, ignorant and out of his depth - but some people still think that it's all a plot against him?
Sheesh...

And some people reveal that they believe everything they read, so long as it confirms their biases.

When it confirms my earlier research? And basic reading of New York events in the 1980's and 90's? Come off it, anyone who thinks that Trump is some kind of genius has not been paying attention at all.

"Research"? Oh man, here we go. Do what everyone else does and write a book about it. You might get your 15 minutes.

Erm, yes, research. I'm old enough to remember Trump's rise to prominence in the 1980's. I remember wondering at the time if it was an act, or if he was actually stiffing contractors and getting as close to the mob as he was, and still get away with it. I find everything about him to be a loud, uncouth, boorish embarrassment. He's now flailing about, a midget in the giant shoes of his predecessor, unable to understand the implications of what he's doing, screaming out that people should obey his orders, no matter how illegal those orders are and totally bewildered by a document like the US Constitution. I wondered in January 2017 how it would be before he imploded. Now I have the beginning of my answer.
So - pass the pringels and wait til I open another beer.

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip
a reply to: CriticalStinker

And then others can read someone's opinion without having an emotional response. Something that is a healthy trait of an adult living in a free society where all opinions can be voiced.

Consistently bragging about how fair-minded one is isn't a good look. A lot of people did the same as the Nazis came to power. Sometimes you have to stand against injustice and tyranny, or at least get out of the way.

I haven't resorted to hyperbole, so I feel like I'm looking alright.

Injustice and tyranny would be suppressing free speech. Or punishing someone for speaking against the leader.

No one is wanting to punish the guy for speaking, or for free speech, but for the things they author admitted to in his writing. There is a vast difference and it makes no sense conflating these two issues.

For all you know they all teamed together on a position and convinced Trump to change his mind, you know, the function of a cabinet.

They admitted to no crimes.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Hey Krazy, I'd be lashing out too if my party were on the verge of becoming the next Green Party

You all did it to yourselves. Should've dealt with the left-wing crazies instead of turning over the party to 'em. (Maybe then I'd still be voting (D) )

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
*Leans back in comfortable chair, drinks beer and eats pringles whilst grinning at some of the more unhinged comments*

Wow, the level of delusion is high in here. The Orange Emperor is being increasingly revealed for what he is - unstable, ignorant and out of his depth - but some people still think that it's all a plot against him?
Sheesh...

And some people reveal that they believe everything they read, so long as it confirms their biases.

When it confirms my earlier research? And basic reading of New York events in the 1980's and 90's? Come off it, anyone who thinks that Trump is some kind of genius has not been paying attention at all.

"Research"? Oh man, here we go. Do what everyone else does and write a book about it. You might get your 15 minutes.

Erm, yes, research. I'm old enough to remember Trump's rise to prominence in the 1980's. I remember wondering at the time if it was an act, or if he was actually stiffing contractors and getting as close to the mob as he was, and still get away with it. I find everything about him to be a loud, uncouth, boorish embarrassment. He's now flailing about, a midget in the giant shoes of his predecessor, unable to understand the implications of what he's doing, screaming out that people should obey his orders, no matter how illegal those orders are and totally bewildered by a document like the US Constitution. I wondered in January 2017 how it would be before he imploded. Now I have the beginning of my answer.
So - pass the pringels and wait til I open another beer.

Thanks through the dance down memory lane, as one sided and media derived as it was.

a reply to: JBurns

Hey JBurns, are you here to troll or are you going to discuss the thread topic? You know seeing as how this isn't the Mud Pit and all.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

For all you know they all teamed together on a position and convinced Trump to change his mind, you know, the function of a cabinet.

They admitted to no crimes.

They admitted to frustrating the agenda of the duly elected president, and did so anonymously, far away from congressional or citizen accountability. At least they knew their audience.

a reply to: JBurns

Did I know you in college in Wales 30 years ago? You sound like like a deranged former friend of mine who went absolutely mad about two years ago and then started babbling nonsense about America needing a Voortrek.

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
*Leans back in comfortable chair, drinks beer and eats pringles whilst grinning at some of the more unhinged comments*

Wow, the level of delusion is high in here. The Orange Emperor is being increasingly revealed for what he is - unstable, ignorant and out of his depth - but some people still think that it's all a plot against him?
Sheesh...

And some people reveal that they believe everything they read, so long as it confirms their biases.

When it confirms my earlier research? And basic reading of New York events in the 1980's and 90's? Come off it, anyone who thinks that Trump is some kind of genius has not been paying attention at all.

"Research"? Oh man, here we go. Do what everyone else does and write a book about it. You might get your 15 minutes.

Erm, yes, research. I'm old enough to remember Trump's rise to prominence in the 1980's. I remember wondering at the time if it was an act, or if he was actually stiffing contractors and getting as close to the mob as he was, and still get away with it. I find everything about him to be a loud, uncouth, boorish embarrassment. He's now flailing about, a midget in the giant shoes of his predecessor, unable to understand the implications of what he's doing, screaming out that people should obey his orders, no matter how illegal those orders are and totally bewildered by a document like the US Constitution. I wondered in January 2017 how it would be before he imploded. Now I have the beginning of my answer.
So - pass the pringels and wait til I open another beer.

This. I didn't need the propaganda after 2015 to tell me Trump was a bad person. I knew it since the 90's and all the idiotic stuff he used to do for attention. The only difference was back then I could safely ignore his stupidity without it affecting the way I live.

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip
a reply to: CriticalStinker

For all you know they all teamed together on a position and convinced Trump to change his mind, you know, the function of a cabinet.

They admitted to no crimes.

They admitted to frustrating the agenda of the duly elected president, and did so anonymously, far away from congressional or citizen accountability. At least they knew their audience.

Which they may have done by using words and teaming up against him and using words to change his mind. The literal function of a Cabinet.

You know, like Jimmy Carter's cabinet. Never heard for people call for that cabinet to be hung from the tallest tree of DC.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
*Leans back in comfortable chair, drinks beer and eats pringles whilst grinning at some of the more unhinged comments*

Wow, the level of delusion is high in here. The Orange Emperor is being increasingly revealed for what he is - unstable, ignorant and out of his depth - but some people still think that it's all a plot against him?
Sheesh...

And some people reveal that they believe everything they read, so long as it confirms their biases.

When it confirms my earlier research? And basic reading of New York events in the 1980's and 90's? Come off it, anyone who thinks that Trump is some kind of genius has not been paying attention at all.

"Research"? Oh man, here we go. Do what everyone else does and write a book about it. You might get your 15 minutes.

Erm, yes, research. I'm old enough to remember Trump's rise to prominence in the 1980's. I remember wondering at the time if it was an act, or if he was actually stiffing contractors and getting as close to the mob as he was, and still get away with it. I find everything about him to be a loud, uncouth, boorish embarrassment. He's now flailing about, a midget in the giant shoes of his predecessor, unable to understand the implications of what he's doing, screaming out that people should obey his orders, no matter how illegal those orders are and totally bewildered by a document like the US Constitution. I wondered in January 2017 how it would be before he imploded. Now I have the beginning of my answer.
So - pass the pringels and wait til I open another beer.

This. I didn't need the propaganda after 2015 to tell me Trump was a bad person. I knew it since the 90's and all the idiotic stuff he used to do for attention. The only difference was back then I could safely ignore his stupidity without it affecting the way I live.

We all know what Trump is like. Most of his life is public record. It's just some of us don't want to elect a pope-like figure.

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
*Leans back in comfortable chair, drinks beer and eats pringles whilst grinning at some of the more unhinged comments*

Wow, the level of delusion is high in here. The Orange Emperor is being increasingly revealed for what he is - unstable, ignorant and out of his depth - but some people still think that it's all a plot against him?
Sheesh...

And some people reveal that they believe everything they read, so long as it confirms their biases.

When it confirms my earlier research? And basic reading of New York events in the 1980's and 90's? Come off it, anyone who thinks that Trump is some kind of genius has not been paying attention at all.

"Research"? Oh man, here we go. Do what everyone else does and write a book about it. You might get your 15 minutes.

Erm, yes, research. I'm old enough to remember Trump's rise to prominence in the 1980's. I remember wondering at the time if it was an act, or if he was actually stiffing contractors and getting as close to the mob as he was, and still get away with it. I find everything about him to be a loud, uncouth, boorish embarrassment. He's now flailing about, a midget in the giant shoes of his predecessor, unable to understand the implications of what he's doing, screaming out that people should obey his orders, no matter how illegal those orders are and totally bewildered by a document like the US Constitution. I wondered in January 2017 how it would be before he imploded. Now I have the beginning of my answer.
So - pass the pringels and wait til I open another beer.

This. I didn't need the propaganda after 2015 to tell me Trump was a bad person. I knew it since the 90's and all the idiotic stuff he used to do for attention. The only difference was back then I could safely ignore his stupidity without it affecting the way I live.

We all know what Trump is like. Most of his life is public record. It's just some of us don't want to elect a pope-like figure.

There is a VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY large gap between being pope-like and Trump.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip
a reply to: CriticalStinker

For all you know they all teamed together on a position and convinced Trump to change his mind, you know, the function of a cabinet.

They admitted to no crimes.

They admitted to frustrating the agenda of the duly elected president, and did so anonymously, far away from congressional or citizen accountability. At least they knew their audience.

Which they may have done by using words and teaming up against him and using words to change his mind. The literal function of a Cabinet.

You know, like Jimmy Carter's cabinet. Never heard for people call for that cabinet to be hung from the tallest tree of DC.

I never heard of people describing the job of advisor as "frustrating the agenda" of the duly elected leader. That's just not in the job description.

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
*Leans back in comfortable chair, drinks beer and eats pringles whilst grinning at some of the more unhinged comments*

Wow, the level of delusion is high in here. The Orange Emperor is being increasingly revealed for what he is - unstable, ignorant and out of his depth - but some people still think that it's all a plot against him?
Sheesh...

And some people reveal that they believe everything they read, so long as it confirms their biases.

When it confirms my earlier research? And basic reading of New York events in the 1980's and 90's? Come off it, anyone who thinks that Trump is some kind of genius has not been paying attention at all.

"Research"? Oh man, here we go. Do what everyone else does and write a book about it. You might get your 15 minutes.

Erm, yes, research. I'm old enough to remember Trump's rise to prominence in the 1980's. I remember wondering at the time if it was an act, or if he was actually stiffing contractors and getting as close to the mob as he was, and still get away with it. I find everything about him to be a loud, uncouth, boorish embarrassment. He's now flailing about, a midget in the giant shoes of his predecessor, unable to understand the implications of what he's doing, screaming out that people should obey his orders, no matter how illegal those orders are and totally bewildered by a document like the US Constitution. I wondered in January 2017 how it would be before he imploded. Now I have the beginning of my answer.
So - pass the pringels and wait til I open another beer.

This. I didn't need the propaganda after 2015 to tell me Trump was a bad person. I knew it since the 90's and all the idiotic stuff he used to do for attention. The only difference was back then I could safely ignore his stupidity without it affecting the way I live.

We all know what Trump is like. Most of his life is public record. It's just some of us don't want to elect a pope-like figure.

Yes, but you don't then take it to the extreme that you want an anti-Pope. Unless, of course, you want a Borgia. Trump's not cunning enough to be a Borgia by the way.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
*Leans back in comfortable chair, drinks beer and eats pringles whilst grinning at some of the more unhinged comments*

Wow, the level of delusion is high in here. The Orange Emperor is being increasingly revealed for what he is - unstable, ignorant and out of his depth - but some people still think that it's all a plot against him?
Sheesh...

And some people reveal that they believe everything they read, so long as it confirms their biases.

When it confirms my earlier research? And basic reading of New York events in the 1980's and 90's? Come off it, anyone who thinks that Trump is some kind of genius has not been paying attention at all.

"Research"? Oh man, here we go. Do what everyone else does and write a book about it. You might get your 15 minutes.

Erm, yes, research. I'm old enough to remember Trump's rise to prominence in the 1980's. I remember wondering at the time if it was an act, or if he was actually stiffing contractors and getting as close to the mob as he was, and still get away with it. I find everything about him to be a loud, uncouth, boorish embarrassment. He's now flailing about, a midget in the giant shoes of his predecessor, unable to understand the implications of what he's doing, screaming out that people should obey his orders, no matter how illegal those orders are and totally bewildered by a document like the US Constitution. I wondered in January 2017 how it would be before he imploded. Now I have the beginning of my answer.
So - pass the pringels and wait til I open another beer.

This. I didn't need the propaganda after 2015 to tell me Trump was a bad person. I knew it since the 90's and all the idiotic stuff he used to do for attention. The only difference was back then I could safely ignore his stupidity without it affecting the way I live.

We all know what Trump is like. Most of his life is public record. It's just some of us don't want to elect a pope-like figure.

There is a VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY large gap between being pope-like and Trump.

Obviously.

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
*Leans back in comfortable chair, drinks beer and eats pringles whilst grinning at some of the more unhinged comments*

Wow, the level of delusion is high in here. The Orange Emperor is being increasingly revealed for what he is - unstable, ignorant and out of his depth - but some people still think that it's all a plot against him?
Sheesh...

And some people reveal that they believe everything they read, so long as it confirms their biases.

When it confirms my earlier research? And basic reading of New York events in the 1980's and 90's? Come off it, anyone who thinks that Trump is some kind of genius has not been paying attention at all.

"Research"? Oh man, here we go. Do what everyone else does and write a book about it. You might get your 15 minutes.

Erm, yes, research. I'm old enough to remember Trump's rise to prominence in the 1980's. I remember wondering at the time if it was an act, or if he was actually stiffing contractors and getting as close to the mob as he was, and still get away with it. I find everything about him to be a loud, uncouth, boorish embarrassment. He's now flailing about, a midget in the giant shoes of his predecessor, unable to understand the implications of what he's doing, screaming out that people should obey his orders, no matter how illegal those orders are and totally bewildered by a document like the US Constitution. I wondered in January 2017 how it would be before he imploded. Now I have the beginning of my answer.
So - pass the pringels and wait til I open another beer.

This. I didn't need the propaganda after 2015 to tell me Trump was a bad person. I knew it since the 90's and all the idiotic stuff he used to do for attention. The only difference was back then I could safely ignore his stupidity without it affecting the way I live.

We all know what Trump is like. Most of his life is public record. It's just some of us don't want to elect a pope-like figure.

There is a VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY large gap between being pope-like and Trump.

Obviously.

The point is that your statement was nonsense. It's easy to elect someone who isn't pope-like but also isn't Trump-like. I'd say that 99% of the world's population qualifies.

On the bright-side, we now have very credible evidence of a subversive DEEPSTATE. Looks like Trump was right -again- all along. How many times does this make now? 5? 10? I lost count after the Strozok/Page exposure and the illegal Obama FISA scandal.

Real Americans would be (and are) appalled at the very notion of this. Even the suggestion this may be true is Earth shattering and threatens the very foundations of our system of legitimate Constitutional rule (all other forms are illegitimate and unworthy of the American people)

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
*Leans back in comfortable chair, drinks beer and eats pringles whilst grinning at some of the more unhinged comments*

Wow, the level of delusion is high in here. The Orange Emperor is being increasingly revealed for what he is - unstable, ignorant and out of his depth - but some people still think that it's all a plot against him?
Sheesh...

And some people reveal that they believe everything they read, so long as it confirms their biases.

When it confirms my earlier research? And basic reading of New York events in the 1980's and 90's? Come off it, anyone who thinks that Trump is some kind of genius has not been paying attention at all.

"Research"? Oh man, here we go. Do what everyone else does and write a book about it. You might get your 15 minutes.

Erm, yes, research. I'm old enough to remember Trump's rise to prominence in the 1980's. I remember wondering at the time if it was an act, or if he was actually stiffing contractors and getting as close to the mob as he was, and still get away with it. I find everything about him to be a loud, uncouth, boorish embarrassment. He's now flailing about, a midget in the giant shoes of his predecessor, unable to understand the implications of what he's doing, screaming out that people should obey his orders, no matter how illegal those orders are and totally bewildered by a document like the US Constitution. I wondered in January 2017 how it would be before he imploded. Now I have the beginning of my answer.
So - pass the pringels and wait til I open another beer.

This. I didn't need the propaganda after 2015 to tell me Trump was a bad person. I knew it since the 90's and all the idiotic stuff he used to do for attention. The only difference was back then I could safely ignore his stupidity without it affecting the way I live.

We all know what Trump is like. Most of his life is public record. It's just some of us don't want to elect a pope-like figure.

Yes, but you don't then take it to the extreme that you want an anti-Pope. Unless, of course, you want a Borgia. Trump's not cunning enough to be a Borgia by the way.

We could stick with the same public relations approach to politics, where sexual predators, censors, and megalomaniacs disguise their shortcomings beneath a facade of good words and platitudes, but I'd rather it be all out in the open, personally.

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip
a reply to: CriticalStinker

For all you know they all teamed together on a position and convinced Trump to change his mind, you know, the function of a cabinet.

They admitted to no crimes.

They admitted to frustrating the agenda of the duly elected president, and did so anonymously, far away from congressional or citizen accountability. At least they knew their audience.

Which they may have done by using words and teaming up against him and using words to change his mind. The literal function of a Cabinet.

You know, like Jimmy Carter's cabinet. Never heard for people call for that cabinet to be hung from the tallest tree of DC.

I never heard of people describing the job of advisor as "frustrating the agenda" of the duly elected leader. That's just not in the job description.

They said they were frustrating aspects of it, and supported his agenda as a whole.

Frame it how you want, that is what was said. And yes, a cabinets job is to help the president make informed decisions. If the president is doing something stupid, it's their job to convince him to do something else.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

But we're allowed to elect Trump. We have the right to win an election. We have the right to formulate, advocate and enact our agenda - even when it directly opposes the far-left's very unpopular unwanted agenda.

What are you all resisting again? Nothing, that's what. You're resisting our resistance to your horrible policies and unwanted ideology. We are the ones actively resisting the authoritarian far-left's efforts to thwart Constitutional rule.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
*Leans back in comfortable chair, drinks beer and eats pringles whilst grinning at some of the more unhinged comments*

Wow, the level of delusion is high in here. The Orange Emperor is being increasingly revealed for what he is - unstable, ignorant and out of his depth - but some people still think that it's all a plot against him?
Sheesh...

And some people reveal that they believe everything they read, so long as it confirms their biases.

When it confirms my earlier research? And basic reading of New York events in the 1980's and 90's? Come off it, anyone who thinks that Trump is some kind of genius has not been paying attention at all.

"Research"? Oh man, here we go. Do what everyone else does and write a book about it. You might get your 15 minutes.

Erm, yes, research. I'm old enough to remember Trump's rise to prominence in the 1980's. I remember wondering at the time if it was an act, or if he was actually stiffing contractors and getting as close to the mob as he was, and still get away with it. I find everything about him to be a loud, uncouth, boorish embarrassment. He's now flailing about, a midget in the giant shoes of his predecessor, unable to understand the implications of what he's doing, screaming out that people should obey his orders, no matter how illegal those orders are and totally bewildered by a document like the US Constitution. I wondered in January 2017 how it would be before he imploded. Now I have the beginning of my answer.
So - pass the pringels and wait til I open another beer.

This. I didn't need the propaganda after 2015 to tell me Trump was a bad person. I knew it since the 90's and all the idiotic stuff he used to do for attention. The only difference was back then I could safely ignore his stupidity without it affecting the way I live.

We all know what Trump is like. Most of his life is public record. It's just some of us don't want to elect a pope-like figure.

There is a VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY large gap between being pope-like and Trump.

Obviously.

The point is that your statement was nonsense. It's easy to elect someone who isn't pope-like but isn't Trump. I'd say that 99% of the world's population qualifies.

My point was to outline how the standards you hold for politicians are stupid and naive.