Bob Woodward: "Administrative Coup D'etat"

a reply to: NiNjABackflip

Yes and no. One could point to his constant word salad that I don't remembering being characteristic of him until recently. There's the fact that he contradicts himself on a near daily basis which could point to a failing memory. Just the other day he screwed up coloring in the American flag. It was passed off as him having fun with the kids he was visiting, but could it have been indicative of something more?

The American people had no idea Reagan was full on suffering from Alzheimer's by the end of his presidency. They didn't know about Roosevelt's polio for the entirety of his presidency. And they didn't know they Kennedy was drugged up to his eyeballs 24/7 to deal with a number of health problems.

a reply to: NiNjABackflip

The millions who voted for him.

Do the millions have daily access to the President ?
The people working for Trump are also working for you , perhaps the stories emerging about this administration are not as far from the truth as you'd like to believe , perhaps those people are doing you a favour.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: NiNjABackflip

Yes and no. One could point to his constant word salad that I don't remembering being characteristic of him until recently. There's the fact that he contradicts himself on a near daily basis which could point to a failing memory. Just the other day he screwed up coloring in the American flag. It was passed off as him having fun with the kids he was visiting, but could it have been indicative of something more?

The American people had no idea Reagan was full on suffering from Alzheimer's by the end of his presidency. They didn't know about Roosevelt's polio for the entirety of his presidency. And they didn't know they Kennedy was drugged up to his eyeballs 24/7 to deal with a number of health problems.

What about the evidence to the contrary, such as the doctor's assessment, and the fact that he got %100 on a cognitive ability test?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: howtonhawky

I'm under the impression that the buck stops at Trump's desk. So ineffective employees under him would be a reflection on his poor hiring practices.

Hence that would be the reasons for the firings.

I was not really looking to play the blame game but actually address the facts here.

I mean we could just go further and put the blame on hillary supporters for allowing trump to become potus in the first place.

Instead we would be better served to root out the current problems and deal with the aftermath.

a reply to: NiNjABackflip

Ah yes, in a long line of succession, the old remove the papers from desk Coup D'etat. This is how gov’ts topole and become communist, fascist, Leftist states!

Something must be done!

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: NiNjABackflip

The millions who voted for him.

Do the millions have daily access to the President ?
The people working for Trump are also working for you , perhaps the stories emerging about this administration are not as far from the truth as you'd like to believe , perhaps those people are doing you a favour.

And perhaps they're not. Perhaps they are undermining democracy and the political system as they attempt undermine and seize power from the duly elected leader.

originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: NiNjABackflip

Ah yes, in a long line of succession, the old remove the papers from desk Coup D'etat. This is how gov’ts topole and become communist, fascist, Leftist states!

Something must be done!

Those are Bob Woodward's words, not mine. Dismiss them how you will.

I'm having a hard time understanding what part of this is Trump's fault? The haters are all pulling each other's puds and all, but this is something with names, and a crime. Rather than hee haw it up over how orange Trump is, perhaps even the idiot left might venture into the real world for a minute and agreed that crimes are wrong, even if they are done against DJT. But I'm probably already over the heads of many. Deep state fanbois. weak bitches.

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip
a reply to: underwerks

Or, Donald Trump is the same Donald Trump he’s always been.

Nah, that’s too crazy of a conspiracy.

He is. And fevered, power-hungry, bureaucrats are the same as they've always been.

You say that like there’s a difference between Donald Trump and power hungry bureaucrats.

Yes. Trump was elected to lead the country.

And Trump appointed the people in question.

And?

I find it amusing that you blame this on the “deep state” even though Trump appointed these people. I guess that makes Trump deep state as well, right?

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip
a reply to: underwerks

Or, Donald Trump is the same Donald Trump he’s always been.

Nah, that’s too crazy of a conspiracy.

He is. And fevered, power-hungry, bureaucrats are the same as they've always been.

You say that like there’s a difference between Donald Trump and power hungry bureaucrats.

Yes. Trump was elected to lead the country.

And Trump appointed the people in question.

And?

I find it amusing that you blame this on the “deep state” even though Trump appointed these people. I guess that makes Trump deep state as well, right?

I didn't blame it on the deep state. That's a lie. I find it amusing you have to lie to win an argument.

a reply to: NiNjABackflip

They are not undermining democracy by stopping Trump doing stupid stuff , if he want's to sign something why wouldn't he notice the thing he was going to sign is no longer there ?

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip
a reply to: underwerks

Or, Donald Trump is the same Donald Trump he’s always been.

Nah, that’s too crazy of a conspiracy.

He is. And fevered, power-hungry, bureaucrats are the same as they've always been.

You say that like there’s a difference between Donald Trump and power hungry bureaucrats.

Yes. Trump was elected to lead the country.

And Trump appointed the people in question.

And?

I find it amusing that you blame this on the “deep state” even though Trump appointed these people. I guess that makes Trump deep state as well, right?

I didn't blame it on the deep state. That's a lie. I find it amusing you have to lie to win an argument.

You brought them up on the first page:

People are surreptitiously removing documents from the leader's desk so he will not sign them. That's not democracy. But deep-state fanboys will be dreaming that these thieves are saving the country.

Why would “deep state fanboys” (your own words) be cheering this on then?

Very amusing.

a reply to: gortex

They are not undermining democracy by stopping Trump doing stupid stuff , if he want's to sign something why wouldn't he notice the thing he was going to sign is no longer there ?

Do you really believe aides and advisors should steal documents from a leader's desk so he cannot sign them?

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip
a reply to: underwerks

Or, Donald Trump is the same Donald Trump he’s always been.

Nah, that’s too crazy of a conspiracy.

He is. And fevered, power-hungry, bureaucrats are the same as they've always been.

You say that like there’s a difference between Donald Trump and power hungry bureaucrats.

Yes. Trump was elected to lead the country.

And Trump appointed the people in question.

And?

I find it amusing that you blame this on the “deep state” even though Trump appointed these people. I guess that makes Trump deep state as well, right?

I didn't blame it on the deep state. That's a lie. I find it amusing you have to lie to win an argument.

You brought them up on the first page:

People are surreptitiously removing documents from the leader's desk so he will not sign them. That's not democracy. But deep-state fanboys will be dreaming that these thieves are saving the country.

Why would “deep state fanboys” (your own words) be cheering this on then?

Very amusing.

And where did I blame this on the deep state? Nowhere.

Do you criticize Trump for spreading falsities? Because you are trying to spread one now.

a reply to: Swills

It would seem you need to take that up with Bob Woodward, not the OP.

Now if, and it's most definitely "if", since it's hearsay, it is happening, or has happened, shouldn't something be done??

a reply to: NiNjABackflip

Ordinarily No but in this case I think it better the grown up keep hold of the reigns.

a reply to: NiNjABackflip

We already know that at least one of his doctor's assessments was a lie. Who's to say the others aren't as well? Kennedy's, Roosevelt's, and Reagan's doctors never outed their patients' conditions.

I'm not saying Trump is suffering from cognitive issues but pointing to the fact that there's no public report saying such things does not debunk the claim. We have a long history of presidential doctors covering up what's going on.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: NiNjABackflip

Ordinarily No but in this case I think it better the grown up keep hold of the reigns.

Gary Cohen was a chief operating officer of Goldman Sachs. I'll ask again: do you approve of him stealing documents from the democratically elected leader?

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip

I'm confused by your logic here. Both Rob Porter AND Gary Cohn were Trump appointees. Cohen wasn't even a politician previously. He was a banker. Furthermore, both of them have since left the administration under scandal and the other after losing a policy power struggle. So even if these insinuations are true the threat is gone. That is unless you are suggesting that OTHER Trump appointees are doing the same.

I'm confused by your logic here. Crimes and sabotage are not annulled when the "threat is gone".

Do you have proof that a crime was committed? Is removing a document from the President's desk even illegal? Do you know any statutes that were violated here?

But mostly, how is this an example of the Deep State in action if both of these jackasses were appointed by Trump himself?

I didn't say it was a crime, it was just a general point towards a stupid statement.

I never said it was an example of the deep state in action.

Huh? But you've been talking about crimes. Here is your previous words:
"Crimes and sabotage are not annulled when the "threat is gone". "
Which crimes are you talking about here?

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip
a reply to: underwerks

Or, Donald Trump is the same Donald Trump he’s always been.

Nah, that’s too crazy of a conspiracy.

He is. And fevered, power-hungry, bureaucrats are the same as they've always been.

You say that like there’s a difference between Donald Trump and power hungry bureaucrats.

Yes. Trump was elected to lead the country.

And Trump appointed the people in question.

And?

I find it amusing that you blame this on the “deep state” even though Trump appointed these people. I guess that makes Trump deep state as well, right?

I didn't blame it on the deep state. That's a lie. I find it amusing you have to lie to win an argument.

You brought them up on the first page:

People are surreptitiously removing documents from the leader's desk so he will not sign them. That's not democracy. But deep-state fanboys will be dreaming that these thieves are saving the country.

Why would “deep state fanboys” (your own words) be cheering this on then?

Very amusing.

And where did I blame this on the deep state? Nowhere.

Do you criticize Trump for spreading falsities? Because you are trying to spread one now.

Right there in the quote I provided. From you.

Again, why do you think “deep state fanboys” (your own words) are dreaming this is saving democracy?

I’m just asking you to explain part of a post. It’s there on the first page for everyone to read.

Until it’s edited like the OP, of course.