Monroe County Sheriff: 3 horses, 2 dogs killed, possibly by ‘a large animal’

originally posted by: putnam6
A quick look at Kentucky Hunting regulations, coyotes can be hunted year round even at night with certain restrictions. Id lean towards a pack hunter like a coyote. A grey wolf was shot in Kentucky back in 2013 officials were skeptical till DNA proved it was indeed a wolf similar to ones found in the Great Lakes region. Even then speculation was it had been in captivity once. Interesting stuff no doubt

Even a wolf pack don’t kill for fun, they will only hunt and kill for food. The same with a cougar. A cougar may kill one horse, but three horses and two dogs in one night doesn’t seem likely to be a natural predator. At least not any thing that I am familiar with. I discount black bears and boar because they usually run from barking dogs. Coyotes mite kill the dogs, but would have a hard time with three horses, as adult horses will stomp a coyote to death. In southern Kentucky what’s left? As I said earlier, there is plenty of natural game in the area, why fight to the death with horses and dogs. This doesn’t seem right.

I just came across this article . It says that it was miniature horses and found a bob cat track and some larger tracks.

Video in the article......

www.wbko.com...

A sick cougar is my guess.
Or escaped large cat from personal collection.
After watching a video I'm definitely going with cougar.
They bite the necks of prey and you could see the claw marks on the horse's flanks.

originally posted by: Asktheanimals
A sick cougar is my guess.
Or escaped large cat from personal collection.

Well, asktheanimals?

a reply to: [post=23731284]Groot[/post



what gets me is, what ever made this kill, was most likely rabbid most animals kill for the food this sounds more like killing to kill. More like rage

originally posted by: Meldionne1
Kentucky has a big coyote problem .... If the coyotes are in a large pack and hunting , they can take all Of that down .

Coyotes don’t hunt in packs like Wolves.

A tiger escaped and hasn`t been,as ,far as I know, caught in Georgia,another was seen on Lake of the Ozarks a couple of months ago and Game and Fish issued a warning and a search,haven`t read more about it.Who knows what someone released because they couldn`t care for it anymore?I expect it`ll turn out to be a bobcat,mini horses and dogs are within a big ones capabilities.Coyotes do run in small packs,could well be them,and bears are also capable.Animals not killing for fun is a myth,herds of cattle have been wiped out in a night by wolves in the west and cats go in a killing frenzy sometimes.Like the jaguar that killed those animals in a zoo recently

More lose engineered animals.

We can say it’s not a cat, and there is no evidence of a coyote,” said Bill Lynch, a wildlife biologist with the Kentucky Department of Fish and Wildlife Resources. “It’s inconclusive,” he said of the deaths.
“You have to do a necropsy. It wasn’t a cat. It wasn’t even anything like that. There wasn’t enough damage. There is one track that is questionable.” It will be up to the animal owners to decide if they want to pay for necropsies to determine official causes of death for the animals, Lynch said.

www.wnky.com...

It would be interesting to know if any part of the animals were eaten.

A cougar could easily take down a miniature horse, but then so could a pack of wild dogs. Farm dogs allowed to run wild will often form a pack and then they have to all be killed, because once they make a kill as a pack it can't then be trained out of them. I don't think it's beyond reason to think a pack of feral dogs would kill other dogs either. When I was living in S.E. Idaho in a small farming town, one pack of dogs that formed almost overnight took out and entire herd of sheep, dozens of them and did not eat them. One of my friends dogs was in the pack and he had to be put down. Came home covered in blood with a bullet wound from a 22, from the farmer trying to save some of his sheep.

An animal with rabies will go on a killing spree, so maybe a cougar/puma or whatever they call them there with rabies?

Once the carcasses get to the right people they can likely sort it out. Sadly though often veterinarians try and do forensics and they botch it because they are not qualified. That led to much of the cattle mutilation nonsense. I also doubt that any of the law enforcement or Fish and Game folks are qualified to tell the difference between a large cat taking out an animals throat or a pack of dogs. They likely ignored any dog tracks if they closed their minds to them.

Just thinking out loud and this is certainly an odd one.

a reply to: Blaine91555

It would be interesting to know if any part of the animals were eaten.

From what they showed no none were eaten, the one horse was in a stall indoors and the other was found in a pond outside. They didn't show the dogs.

originally posted by: SeaWorthy
More lose engineered animals.

We can say it’s not a cat, and there is no evidence of a coyote,” said Bill Lynch, a wildlife biologist with the Kentucky Department of Fish and Wildlife Resources. “It’s inconclusive,” he said of the deaths.
“You have to do a necropsy. It wasn’t a cat. It wasn’t even anything like that. There wasn’t enough damage. There is one track that is questionable.” It will be up to the animal owners to decide if they want to pay for necropsies to determine official causes of death for the animals, Lynch said.

www.wnky.com...

That makes me believe even more it might be a pack of local dogs gone feral. They will know very soon because the pack will keep killing.

originally posted by: Blaine91555

originally posted by: SeaWorthy
More lose engineered animals.

We can say it’s not a cat, and there is no evidence of a coyote,” said Bill Lynch, a wildlife biologist with the Kentucky Department of Fish and Wildlife Resources. “It’s inconclusive,” he said of the deaths.
“You have to do a necropsy. It wasn’t a cat. It wasn’t even anything like that. There wasn’t enough damage. There is one track that is questionable.” It will be up to the animal owners to decide if they want to pay for necropsies to determine official causes of death for the animals, Lynch said.

www.wnky.com...

That makes me believe even more it might be a pack of local dogs gone feral. They will know very soon because the pack will keep killing.

I thought the report says it is not consistent with a coyote attack, that the area didnt look like it was scene of an animal attack either. or did I mis hear..

a reply to: putnam6

I'm just thinking out loud and wondering. Coyotes would kill one animal and feed so I can see the why in that. When dogs form a pack and turn feral they kill, just for the sake of killing. Being a farm area I'm actually surprised that was not something they considered. Me, I only know what I've read, but I have seen first hand what happens when farm dogs form a pack. I've seen dozens of sheep with their throats ripped out, not eaten and just left to move on to kill the next one.

You do know that both cats and dogs go for the throat to make a kill right? As far as I know a bear does not and what pics I noticed looked like it was the throat. A bear would mean they would be badly mauled and even mauled after they were dead. A bear would have fed and with Black Bear it's truly unheard of and I doubt there are any Brown Bear (Grizzlies) in that area.

Either way if it is dogs, they will know quickly. To stop it they will have to euthanize the dogs. Some farmers will go into denial and even try to hide it, even after seeing their own dogs come home bloody from the slaughter. I've seen that also. Concern over the liability and thinking they can train it out of the dog, which they cannot.

Again, just an opinion. It would take a Veterinarian specifically trained in forensics to say for sure.

Bobo from "Finding Bigfoot" and Cliff are heading to check it out. But looks like they are having second thoughts with the update.

James "Bobo" Fay - Finding Bigfoot
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Cliff and I are going to be there later this week and are going to look into this. We have some good contacts in this county and will get more details. I've never heard of a cat killing 3 horses. Lots of squatch reports from this area though.
** UPDATE So they were miniature horses and they had puncture wounds in the throat so probably a mt lion.

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a reply to: Blaine91555

I found it odd they gave no details on the dogs , a pit bull, and a husky should have fought pretty good.

This is really weird I found while searching this. that was 3 dogs that killed for the action of it not to eat the animals so you could well be right.

Dec 19, 2017

Butler County deputy dog wardens are still looking for two dogs that St. Clair Twp. residents say were part of a pack that killed three miniature horses last week. A trio of dogs, described as either pit bulls....

“I don’t think they were killing out of hunger. They were described as good-sized dogs. They were there for a take down,” he said.

www.journal-news.com...

originally posted by: Blaine91555
a reply to: putnam6

I'm just thinking out loud and wondering. Coyotes would kill one animal and feed so I can see the why in that. When dogs form a pack and turn feral they kill, just for the sake of killing. Being a farm area I'm actually surprised that was not something they considered. Me, I only know what I've read, but I have seen first hand what happens when farm dogs form a pack. I've seen dozens of sheep with their throats ripped out, not eaten and just left to move on to kill the next one.

You do know that both cats and dogs go for the throat to make a kill right? As far as I know a bear does not and what pics I noticed looked like it was the throat. A bear would mean they would be badly mauled and even mauled after they were dead. A bear would have fed and with Black Bear it's truly unheard of and I doubt there are any Brown Bear (Grizzlies) in that area.

Either way if it is dogs, they will know quickly. To stop it they will have to euthanize the dogs. Some farmers will go into denial and even try to hide it, even after seeing their own dogs come home bloody from the slaughter. I've seen that also. Concern over the liability and thinking they can train it out of the dog, which they cannot.

Again, just an opinion. It would take a Veterinarian specifically trained in forensics to say for sure.

Hate to say it, but we will never find out since the Kentucky Wildlife officials left it up to the owners to pay for a necropsy.

a reply to: Groot

Sounds like someone got attacked by the Dogman,kind of sounds like the after from stories I have heardmath of one

originally posted by: Groot

originally posted by: Blaine91555
a reply to: putnam6

I'm just thinking out loud and wondering. Coyotes would kill one animal and feed so I can see the why in that. When dogs form a pack and turn feral they kill, just for the sake of killing. Being a farm area I'm actually surprised that was not something they considered. Me, I only know what I've read, but I have seen first hand what happens when farm dogs form a pack. I've seen dozens of sheep with their throats ripped out, not eaten and just left to move on to kill the next one.

You do know that both cats and dogs go for the throat to make a kill right? As far as I know a bear does not and what pics I noticed looked like it was the throat. A bear would mean they would be badly mauled and even mauled after they were dead. A bear would have fed and with Black Bear it's truly unheard of and I doubt there are any Brown Bear (Grizzlies) in that area.

Either way if it is dogs, they will know quickly. To stop it they will have to euthanize the dogs. Some farmers will go into denial and even try to hide it, even after seeing their own dogs come home bloody from the slaughter. I've seen that also. Concern over the liability and thinking they can train it out of the dog, which they cannot.

Again, just an opinion. It would take a Veterinarian specifically trained in forensics to say for sure.

Hate to say it, but we will never find out since the Kentucky Wildlife officials left it up to the owners to pay for a necropsy.

Well if they arent concerned guess its situation normal.

a reply to: putnam6

Someone should do a GoFundMe page to pay for it.

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: Groot

originally posted by: Blaine91555
a reply to: putnam6

I'm just thinking out loud and wondering. Coyotes would kill one animal and feed so I can see the why in that. When dogs form a pack and turn feral they kill, just for the sake of killing. Being a farm area I'm actually surprised that was not something they considered. Me, I only know what I've read, but I have seen first hand what happens when farm dogs form a pack. I've seen dozens of sheep with their throats ripped out, not eaten and just left to move on to kill the next one.

You do know that both cats and dogs go for the throat to make a kill right? As far as I know a bear does not and what pics I noticed looked like it was the throat. A bear would mean they would be badly mauled and even mauled after they were dead. A bear would have fed and with Black Bear it's truly unheard of and I doubt there are any Brown Bear (Grizzlies) in that area.

Either way if it is dogs, they will know quickly. To stop it they will have to euthanize the dogs. Some farmers will go into denial and even try to hide it, even after seeing their own dogs come home bloody from the slaughter. I've seen that also. Concern over the liability and thinking they can train it out of the dog, which they cannot.

Again, just an opinion. It would take a Veterinarian specifically trained in forensics to say for sure.

Hate to say it, but we will never find out since the Kentucky Wildlife officials left it up to the owners to pay for a necropsy.

Well if they arent concerned guess its situation normal.

Yeah, normal like one of his kids or grandkids owed money to the local meth dealer , so they took out pawpaws horses and dogs as a warning.
If that's the case, grandpa is lucky to be alive and the local authorities are keeping it hush hush.

Seems to be the MO around this part of the country.