The Problem I Have With The Rendlesham Forrest Incident

I always felt that the craft that was seen in the forest and later out in the field near the farm house was a drone craft that was sent out to gather data or some type of information..... just from the fact that the craft appeared to be made out of some type of a fabric at least that was the impression the military personnel that had seen it and touched it had

a reply to: R1CK3O

First, I think it is important to understand that woodland is rarely, if ever, so dense that there are no spaces between trees, large enough that something capable of breaking branches, rather than being broken or destabilised by them, could not land between them.

I could understand it if it were a particularly, unusually dense section of forest, with no gap between two trees being larger than say, a few feet? But most woodland in this country has WAAAAY more space than that. Now, helicopters and jump jets would be thrown off by the presence of branches, be damaged by the canopy BETWEEN the trees. But there is no reason to assume the same of a hypothetical alien craft or UFO, precisely because we have no data on their construction.

For all we know, the object which was seen to rise, could pass through the canopy in either direction, without taking any damage itself, which would certainly set it apart from every craft of Earth origin, that has ever been flown to the publics knowledge. Whether it is some sort of black project craft, or a thing from outside the human experience, the point here is that there is normally more than enough space between the trunks of trees, for an object to move between them. Its the canopy that often connects, but as I said before, if this thing could merely brush the branches which make the canopy out of the way, then that puts a different spin on the question.

a reply to: mirageman

Holy CRAP.

"It's almost like the whole thing was created for entertainment purposes for Ancient Aliens and then lead to conferences and a book deal." Ding ding ding!

Thank you for that fantastic information about the made-up binary code! How can anyone defend it as as factor pointing to "ET time travelers" after knowing that?! If one more person comes along, and after reading that still says "but aliens because of the binary code," we know they are hopeless to let facts inform their beliefs. I love that there are folks who have the smarts and skills to put things to the test. The binary code situation is pretty hilarious, after reading your report there. Thank you!!

I heard a segment of Coast to Coast from several years ago, where George Knapp interviewed Halt about the whole thing. I hadn't done any research on the Rendlesham business (don't think I had even found ATS and your fantastic informative threads on it yet), and I was completely duped by his story. His presentstion of what happened was really convincing, and then of course he's got his rank behind him, not that that guarantees honesty of course. But he's the one I feel most bummed out by, because clearly the story he presented on that show isn't the truth either.

Between you and ConfusedBrit, we ATS members really don't have an excuse to say "Rendlesham was ET, just like those guys there that night said!" Maybe something truly odd happened, but we can't sanely say that what happened is what is said to have happened according to Halt, Penniston, Burroughs, and the other players.

Thanks! And I need to go and re-read your mega thread on this subject.

a reply to: ConfusedBrit
ConfusedBrit: My reference to two days before the main event actually was in a response I made to member AllDayLong about what he and three others saw two days prior, and 200 miles away.

I have had no contact with my friend in over 30 years. I can try to find out where he is now, but can't guarantee I will be successful.

Another friend of mine and he were just casually talking about UFOs, and this is when he told us about being transfered, along with others, in his mind to keep them from talking to each other. This was long before anyone, or should I say most in the US ever heard of The Rendlesham Incident. I thought nothing of it, other than something interesting. I forgot it untill the media in the us began talking about it.


I have nothing to gain or lose, whether this happened or it did not. I have had my own experiences with the unexplained.

I just find it a little strange, that people would spend so much time on one subject, trying to in my eyes, convince others certain things just did not happen.

The average person with a so called normal life would not have the time and resources to go into such great detail about one particular subject, with the intent to sway others , and sow confusion.

Someone, or some agency, that has great interest in what people think, would have the resources, to do so.

Just my opinion, and observation.

originally posted by: zeta55
a reply to: ConfusedBrit


I have nothing to gain or lose, whether this happened or it did not. I have had my own experiences with the unexplained.

I just find it a little strange, that people would spend so much time on one subject, trying to in my eyes, convince others certain things just did not happen.

I can't speak for others, but my interest in the subject was only truly kick-started again by the TTSA disclosures last December, before I discovered ATS and lurked here for four months before braving to post for the first time last week. Indeed, those four months were an eye-opening education for me, thanks to the many ATS researchers' amazing work and dedication, casting various Classic cases into the dustbin but also re-igniting my fascination with others.

I have also had my own experiences with the unexplained (detailed in my 'Intro' thread), and it only served to push me on a voyage for answers whilst also more careful than ever to separate wheat from chaff along the way. Which is why I frown at the likes of Larry Warren and Penniston for muddying already murky waters in the Rendlesham case.

For me, your post and observations are exactly the kind of useful information that take us closer to answers, rather than further away (such as Penniston's binary code controversy).

a reply to: ConfusedBrit
Thank you, Sir

I in no way was referring to you, as a possible dis-information agent.

The only people that will ever know what really happened , were those that were there.

So much dis-information, and miss-information, along with the embellishment by some of the characters involved, has been mixed in with what really may have happened, we more than likely will never know the truth.

If the governments of the United States, and Great Britain came out today, and said what Col. Halt and the others said happened, really did happen, it would not change my life one bit, and most likely would not change 99.99% of the people on this planet.

Peace be with you

I guess because of all the TV documentaries from "Unsolved Mysteries" to "Ancient Aliens" there is a strong vision of a craft implied by CGI and the testimony of Jim "Binary Code" Penniston. His story slowly but surely gains more and more fantastic details as time goes on. Larry Warren's story is now virtually meaningless as even his co-author Peter Robbins has distanced himself from the story and withdrawn their book "Left at East Gate" from sale.

But the only mentions of a craft in the original witness testimony come from Penniston and what Colonel Halt says in his memo dated 13th Jan 1981.

The object was described as being metallic in appearance and triangular in shape, approximately two to three meters across the base and approximately two meters high

Remember Halt has never claimed to have seen an object only lights.

This is the object that was drawn for Penniston's original witness statement.



Only 20 years later was the much better sketch of an object revealed by Penniston in his notebook that had remained hidden for all that time. His note book was never shown publicly until SyFy's UFO Invasion at Rendlesham around the turn of the century.



There are other problems with Halt's memo. But the question is how did he obtain a description of a triangular object?

In case you think I am making this up then all the witness statements are compiled together here : www.therendleshamforestincident.com...

This is Jim Penniston's own website. He claims this witness statement is a forgery of course.

But besides that who mentions a triangle shape craft? Where did Halt get that description?

Finally the incident occurred over three nights 25th/26th, 26th/27th and the 27th/28th Dec 1980. If there was a craft flying around for 3 nights then were did it go for the 2 days inbetween and why did it come back?

Also does anyone not find it strange that despite all the assumed danger to the nuclear weapons on the base from UFOs flying around not one jet fighter was scrambled? No one was called from their barracks to man the perimeter defences. The RAF weren't informed of potential hostile craft in their airspace. A call to Eastern radar was made by Colonel Halt in the early hours (28th Dec 1980) but they had nothing on their scopes. So the story is that a handful of US airman were walking around a forest and saw some strange lights and then returned to base.

I probably shouldn't have posted pictures of the craft because more people will talk about a craft now as well because those pictures are easier to look at than actually reading stuff what I wrote like.

a reply to: mirageman

I guess the craft must of been hiding MM.

God it really does go around in circles all of this. Isn't everyone tired by now with it all.

a reply to: mirageman

Great info here, and logic as well. This kind of infection I guess, that happens to real incidents is the result of the way we deal with it.

There is the real event that we know certain parts of, and then there are all the missing pieces and explanations that we do not. We fill the missing stuff in with conjectures and wild theories. Some hoaxters are so good as to recognize a situation in which they can identify loose connections and then construct a story to substantiate and tie it together.

I guess the same kind of situation applies to Roswell. There is the real story, and then there is all of the baggage that is not real.

originally posted by: Baablacksheep
a reply to: mirageman

God it really does go around in circles all of this. Isn't everyone tired by now with it all.

When will folks tire of it?

If they weren't tired three years into MM's ’Rendlesham - can we let it be?’ marathon... and still not tired after FIVE years... Then I guess the answer is NEVER.

Personally I've only dabbled down this rabbit-hole since April this year (lurking on ATS until joining the other week) and can now feel myself erm powering-down on the case.

MM deserves a gold medal for perseverance and sheer stamina since 2013!

a reply to: ConfusedBrit

Lol no end yet. Yes MM is an excellent researcher. The rabbit hole is deep very deep and a tad murky.

IF TRUE.
The binary code enigma, why binary if it came from someone not us. Who knows why, but to discount it because of that reason is erroneous. A perfect example for you is the Voyager message. You remember Voyager? The message on a gold disc had morse code on it, various languages and numerous information in different forms. But the overriding fact is that it was all human derived. Now think of an alien finding that but recognising the figures. Would he or her speculate "how do they know our language".
Now the coordinates. Why do you persist in quoting Google etc.? Longitude and latitude existed well before google was even thought about. Any cartographer or navigator could have come up with these figures 100 years ago.
The real question you should ask is why, whoever it was, why did they use GMT? An alien arriving on Earth would have no idea that humans have longitude and latitude, never mind where it started.
That then leads to the answer being humans from our future because they would know about binary and map coordinates.

a reply to: crayzeed


I suggest you read this post carefully again: www.abovetopsecret.com...


The point about why the binary was created recently and by a human being is because the co-ordinates contain specific signatures in them.

a reply to: mirageman

They wanting assistance re money. About 9 grand so I read. I guess they should start a go fund me . Its for the cost of future testing on the notebook.

Well, as far as the OP goes, they had a show where they revisited the forest where it happened. The trees were really not that bunched together, which makes sense, since the excuse about seeing a lighthouse would be impossible in a dense forward. From the show, the trees had plenty of space around them. I'm fairly sure a small craft could have set down without a problem between them.

originally posted by: fleabit
Well, as far as the OP goes, they had a show where they revisited the forest where it happened. The trees were really not that bunched together, which makes sense, since the excuse about seeing a lighthouse would be impossible in a dense forward. From the show, the trees had plenty of space around them. I'm fairly sure a small craft could have set down without a problem between them.

Do you ever wonder why ufology gets nowhere?

a reply to: mirageman

"Do you ever wonder why ufology gets nowhere?"

Ive noticed there are very few people on the boards who the know the ins and outs of even the more well known cases. One of the best like Leveland isnt really even discussed much.

Which leads into the real problem, there just isnt enough people who are willing to demand the govt release the info(from the missing evidence thread). Not enough Barry Goldwaters. I remember seeing all those people in Arizona who were angry because they couldnt get an explanation over the Phoenix Lights, instead the Governor has someone dress up as an alien and make fun of the situation. Too many people just dont care.

originally posted by: 111DPKING111
a reply to: mirageman

"Do you ever wonder why ufology gets nowhere?"

Ive noticed there are very few people on the boards who the know the ins and outs of even the more well known cases. One of the best like Leveland isnt really even discussed much.

Check out Mirageman's excellent thread entitled:

'The Tex Files: Engine Stopping UFO - Levelland, Texas 1957'

(Sorry, can't provide a direct link on my current device.)


PS: As I've recently discovered, VERY FEW IF ANY cases remain uncovered by ATS in 15 years.

An amazing body of work and research.

"PS: As I've recently discovered, VERY FEW IF ANY cases remain uncovered by ATS in 15 years.
An amazing body of work and research"

All the mainstream cases yes, but there are many that never the attention they deserve - www.mufon.com...

The Hangar 1 series was hit or miss, but it starts to give you an idea of just how many reports MUFON has squirreled away that no one really knows about.

The problem that I have with it is that it's all bull#. It's completely fabricated.

There are no alien craft coming to our planet and never have. It's nonsense.

Get a grip people.