Type 98 Main Battle Tank

Would you rather just get shot and die or get your eyes fried by a laser? Think about it.

Originally posted by W4rl0rD
Would you rather just get shot and die or get your eyes fried by a laser? Think about it.

Well most soldiers would be wounded and wouldn't die. I personally would rather lose a leg or an arm than my sight. Blindness is a far more crippling disablity than the loss of a limb.

Personally I'll rather die. A weapon like this is not very humane, but compared to all those chemical weapons which do even nastier stuff this is still rather ok.

Given the technology required, only those nations who already have enough tech to make nastier stuff than laser can make things like these ( China, USA etc), so it would not make much of a difference even if it was banned, as they have nastier stuff than these.

Alot of weapons that should be banned are not banned.

Depleted Uranium, the symptoms of which mainly harmed civilians.

I read a report the other day in which China considered using Depleted Uranium but then thought hmm... wait a sec ... China would be mainly fighting in China, using DU is stupid.

Originally posted by rapier28
Alot of weapons that should be banned are not banned.

Depleted Uranium, the symptoms of which mainly harmed civilians.

I read a report the other day in which China considered using Depleted Uranium but then thought hmm... wait a sec ... China would be mainly fighting in China, using DU is stupid.

rapier, ther is a thread here in the weaponry forum about DU where I argued that DU was harmful, however some members posted some compelling facts about it. Howver I still belive it is harmful and so it seems is the Australian Government whi remove all 20mm DU rounds fromits naval Phalanx systems. I believe they are going to use tungsten sabots in teh M! we've just purchased.

Originally posted by rogue1
rapier, ther is a thread here in the weaponry forum about DU where I argued that DU was harmful, however some members posted some compelling facts about it. Howver I still belive it is harmful and so it seems is the Australian Government whi remove all 20mm DU rounds fromits naval Phalanx systems. I believe they are going to use tungsten sabots in teh M! we've just purchased.

Thats good news rogue.

Interms of militaries, i believe that the Australian military is one of the more sensible ones in the world.

what about chemical weapons that destroy eyesight and lungs?

what about anti-personnel mines?

What about this "Pain" weapon the U.S is developing?


I also read somewhere that the damage might not be permanent, though it would take a long time to recover and is by no means assured.

A lower power handheld device is currently in use by Chinese special forces and SWAT teams for blinding criminals... but the effects only last for a day or so.

Uhh.. The U.S. military has not used chemical weapons since Vietnam and we did not use it in 91 on 03. And the "Pain" weapon s the U.S. has are for crowd control, not burning or blinding enemy soldiers. Listen all enemy troops have to do is wear some good quality goggles or laser protecting glasses. But what about 3rd world countries who don't have that capability.

And I did some poking around and found that the U.S. might put this system on Humvee’s and if you were to be hit with it, it would make your skin feel a burning sensation causing you to stop what your doing and get out of its way. But there are no long lasting affects as with blindness, as soon as you move out of the weapons way you don't feel anything and your skin id not harmed. But if the U.S. wanted to compete with the blinding laser they can crank up the power on the system and literally burn someone's skin off. But that i not what this weapon will be used for.

The Pentagon is developing a new secret weapon that sounds like something from a "Star Trek" episode. It would stop people by directing a beam of microwave energy at them, causing pain but no bodily harm. Pentagon officials say the weapon could be used to control unruly crowds or stop intruders.

Fenton is now the director of the Joint Non-Lethal Weapons Directorate. He was at the Pentagon yesterday to demonstrate the latest non-lethal idea: focusing a beam of millimeter wave energy on someone for a few seconds, just long enough to make them feel an intense burning sensation, even found a few reporters willing to be guinea pigs.

The idea would be to mount this weapon on a military vehicle such as a Humvee and point it at individuals or groups of people who, for some reason, maybe threatening US troops or getting in the way of a mission. Zap them briefly with this weapon and the people move fast.

There's nothing inhumane about it. It's safe. It's completely safe. You walk out of the beam and the sensation dissipates almost immediately. There is no long-term effect with this, none, zero, zip.

The energy beam would produce heat in the targeted person the same way a microwave oven heats up food, by agitating water molecules. But microwave oven rays are longer and at a much lower frequency so they penetrate the food being cooked, while the beams from this new weapon theoretically affect only the skin's surface to a depth of 1/64th of an inch.

Different lasers have different frequencies and powers therefore its not that easy to be protected from it. I read Intelgirl's post that said one frequency laser can penetrate laser countermeasures (gas grenades).

Those are solid state lasers and you cant use them for blinding people, as they can burn through an 1inch of steel. And you cant fan the beam out it stays on point.

you cant compared a t-98 with abrams it was built for different purposes.
the t-98 can match in weapons and amour(it has ERA).
the abram was built to be lik i a got a huge gun and 1 meter thick amour come on get me.

Originally posted by WestPoint23
Those are solid state lasers and you cant use them for blinding people, as they can burn through an 1inch of steel. And you cant fan the beam out it stays on point.

Ahem, solid state lasers is exactly what will be used, it's just a question of power. These blinding lasers are just a more powerful version of civilian laser pointers etc.

Yeah I know rouge I was just saying that this "dazzler" system did not have a solid state lasers on it.