Cohen willing to tell Mueller about conspiracy to collude

a reply to: Arnie123

Oh I'm sorry, did I trigger you? Sorry, this site isn't your safe space!

Trump cries Fake News just about everyday and so does his supporters but it's childish when I say it? Oh the hypocrisy never ends with you people!

originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: Arnie123

Oh I'm sorry, did I trigger you? Sorry, this site isn't your safe space!

Trump cries Fake News just about everyday and so does his supporters but it's childish when I say it? Oh the hypocrisy never ends with you people!

No, just pointing out how silly and childish you're coming off. Be an adult now and have some netiquette.

originally posted by: Agit8dChop
if Cohen can prove it.. then Trumps done.

But I don't think Cohen can, I think Cohens cooked and he's prepared to do anything Mueller demands of him.. including making cr@p up and falsifying evidence.

Trump didn't need to collude, Clinton was hated enough!

There's 0 evidence anywhere that Russia hacked the DNC and leaked the emails - even if they did and even if (thats a big if) Trump asked them to... then i highly doubt any evidence exists.

This is just more media fodder..

Cohen doesn't have to prove a thing, the Special Counsel does, and Bob Mueller isn't about to put his career and name on the line without evidence.

originally posted by: xuenchen
Watch they try to "Prove" things without proving anything.

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I suppose you mean like, how the truth isn't the truth then.

a reply to: Lumenari

No but conspiracy to defraud the United states is and that is what trump would be charged with.

a reply to: HunkaHunka


The only thing I dislike about the thread, is the nomenclature...it's not conspiracy to collude, its a conspiracy to defraud the American people.

originally posted by: HunkaHunka
What's your opinion on the fact that Cohen is turning like a screw for SC?

Anyone dumb enough to plead guilty to things that aren’t crimes doesn’t have enough threads on his shaft to screw anything... The End...

originally posted by: SwissMarked

originally posted by: HunkaHunka
What's your opinion on the fact that Cohen is turning like a screw for SC?

Anyone dumb enough to plead guilty to things that aren’t crimes doesn’t have enough threads on his shaft to screw anything... The End...

>.> everything he plead guilty to WERE crimes, what the hell are you talking about?

a reply to: HunkaHunka

You mean, like funding a russian lawyer to meet indirectly with yhebopposing campaign under false pretenses? Or maybe you mean by paying a foreign entity for unsubstantiated dirt on an opposing candidate and leaking it to the press? Oh, you must actually be concerned with the idea that millions of people voted purely based on facebook ads... not FBI reports or her own words (tax payer funded abortions for the poor! Everyone that doesn't like me is deplorable!).

a reply to: alphabetaone

If he wants to stay out of prison he will...

originally posted by: alphabetaone

originally posted by: Agit8dChop
if Cohen can prove it.. then Trumps done.

But I don't think Cohen can, I think Cohens cooked and he's prepared to do anything Mueller demands of him.. including making cr@p up and falsifying evidence.

Trump didn't need to collude, Clinton was hated enough!

There's 0 evidence anywhere that Russia hacked the DNC and leaked the emails - even if they did and even if (thats a big if) Trump asked them to... then i highly doubt any evidence exists.

This is just more media fodder..

Cohen doesn't have to prove a thing, the Special Counsel does, and Bob Mueller isn't about to put his career and name on the line without evidence.

I think Mueller has all the evidence he needs. Cohen's emails, phone logs, hard drives and financial records... in their arrogance they didn't even bother to hide the evidence. "best people" indeed...

originally posted by: Agit8dChop
a reply to: alphabetaone

If he wants to stay out of prison he will...

He plead guilty, there is no avoiding prison for him anymore, and he knows that....he went in knowing that.

It is a crime when it violates campaign finance law... Cohen paid it instead of trump , it was donation, not a rich man paying off a woman.

Subtlety and nuance

originally posted by: Isurrender73
a reply to: HunkaHunka

Rich men paying off women to keep their mouths shut about a sexual relationship has never been a crime and never will be.

This is the most ridiculous BS and the media is running it.

What this tells me. They had to make up a crime that is not a crime because they have nothing on Trump.

After pleading guilty he's going to jail. There's no getting around that I think his Lawyer has given him bad advice but he's going to jail. I have never heard of someone about to get 10 years in prison to say they would refuse a pardon. I doubt Trump would have but as Cohens Atty he should never have excluded that for his client.

As for Cohen, the tape he released contradicts Cohens plea deal. in the tape, you heard Cohen say he spoke to Allen Weisselberg about buying her story. Allen Weisberg is a chief executive officer of Trump international, meaning Cohen thought it hurt Trumps brand though at this point so much damage has been done it hardly matters anymore. me I'm tired of all this look what we have discovered. Our president is scum our FBI was involved in politics, we have extortion and people trying to ignore the fact Obama was spying on people. We have Trump who practically wants to marry Putin and a crowd that makes Russia to be this huge threat but chooses to ignore China.

We have people that think illegals should be just allowed in the country and borders aren't needed. We have others that want to take immigrant kids from their parents because they want a better life. and let's not get started on the NFL I used to enjoy watching games now it's getting so political I spend my Sundays going to the gym. I don't watch football to think about politics I just want to drink beer and watch the game. But I served 20 years in the military and I can't stand to see the disrespect to the country so now what else is politics going to ruin for us?

originally posted by: alphabetaone
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originally posted by: xuenchen
Watch they try to "Prove" things without proving anything.

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I suppose you mean like, how the truth isn't the truth then.

he means "alternative truths"

but what he really meant was..

originally posted by: Lumenari

Collusion isn't a crime.

Actually, what Trump is being accused of is a crime. It is a crime to accept information from a foreign government about a political opponent, as Trump Jr. was attempting to do. And if Trump himself was involved in hacking the DNC servers or releasing those e-mails through Wikileaks, that is absolutely a crime.

The word "collusion" isn't a crime just because it doesn't appear in the law books under that name, but the actions that were taken by Trump and his associates could definitely be considered criminal.

It’s a crime for a U.S. presidential campaign knowingly to receive—or even solicit—anything of value from any foreign entity. It’s a crime for anyone, campaign or not, to knowingly receive stolen data. In fact, receiving stolen data triggers a complex nexus of crimes, both state and federal. Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner, Paul Manafort, and other top Trump aides met with a lawyer who identified herself as an agent of the Russian government offering damaging information about Hillary Clinton.

Lying to Congress is a crime, albeit one seldom prosecuted. Trump Jr. was under oath when he testified to the Senate Judiciary Committee on September 17, 2017, that he did not tell his father about the Trump Tower meeting with the lawyer. “I wouldn’t have wasted his time with it,” he said. Should that testimony prove untrue, the younger Trump could also face perjury charges.

Money laundering is a crime. Tax evasion is a crime. Obstruction of justice is a crime. Lying to federal investigators is a crime.

It’s true, as Donald Trump’s lawyer Rudy Giuliani keeps insisting, that you will not find the word collusion in the federal criminal code. You will not find the word hacking there either. But that does not mean that hacking is legal, only that lawyers speak differently from other people.'

The Atlantic

originally posted by: Arnie123

originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: Arnie123

Oh I'm sorry, did I trigger you? Sorry, this site isn't your safe space!

Trump cries Fake News just about everyday and so does his supporters but it's childish when I say it? Oh the hypocrisy never ends with you people!

No, just pointing out how silly and childish you're coming off. Be an adult now and have some netiquette.

You know who has the best netiquette? Republicans. Go check out /r/The_Donald.

how can anything this crooked lawyer say be trusted? he has proven that he is not to be trusted, since he seems to be breaking lawyer/client confidentiality laws. and any evidence, including any tapes he has offered up also break that confidentiality law. anything he has alluded to in his plea deal is also breaking those laws. the only way he should have said anything about a client would need a proper warrant, a warrant that should have been appealed in court. therefore anything he says, alludes to, and any evidence he has or will provide is all inadmissible. even if they were to get a warrant at this point, it and everything that comes of it, is ALL "fruit of the poisonous tree". and he should be facing some more criminal charges for breaking client lawyer confidentiality laws, as well as be disbarred for it. all in all at this point he has zero credibility. and it's well known people trying to save their own skins like he is, anything they say is just as likely to be fake as true. especially one getting such a sweet plea deal out of it.

Trump's not going anywhere.

Cohen is.

While I was originally of the impression that Trump's use of Cohen's services was not a problem, it turns out it is. Oh,well. I didn't vote for Cohen. His idea of loyalty to his clients is apparently not the same as mine.

And no, this doesn't turn me against Trump. He hired a crook. OK, well, I have hired some pretty unscrupulous characters in my lifetime too. I didn't know it at the time, of course, and I'll go with the assumption neither did Trump. For Cohen to squeal so quickly, he must have some nice shiny skeletons hiding in his closets somewhere.

Manafort at least went down with honor. Cohen... not so much. Gates... not so much. I'm seeing why Mueller has such a reputation: he's mean enough and crooked enough to get a conviction on anyone, anywhere, for anything, actual crime not required. And Cohen is scared of him. Oh, well, let him get what he deserves.

Here's the rub no one has mentioned, though... back when the wee hours raid happened, some folks were screaming that it was Mueller's doings, and the answer was that no, it was the NYSD who simply acted on a tip form Mueller. Well, technically that might be true, but now Cohen gets a plea deal if he works with Mueller? Hmmm, methinks there is some collusion right there in open view, as in Mueller's tip being little more than him giving the NYSD the tip in order to get Cohen to flip.

Of course, there's the problem that Cohen has already spent months now denying the same thing he is supposedly spilling the beans on. Now, I know the anti-Trump, damn others' right to vote, we don't need no stinkin' evidence crowd will say that's because he was lying before and now he's honest as the day is long, but that's really not a logical position. The logical position is that he is a liar and anything he says now is highly suspect. That includes any 'evidence' he may have. Audio recordings are notoriously easy to fake, especially with FBI equipment.

Mueller is digging himself a grave just like everyone else who has challenged the right of others to vote. I predict he'll be in it soon enough, right beside Rosenstein. Just need to get it deep enough, and I think we're about there.

TheRedneck

If they really had anything on Trump they wouldn't be letting Cohen go around running his mouth.