The scar of abortion on the American perspective.

originally posted by: eletheia

Its Legal ..... pro-life can make as much noise as they like, they have no

right or means to stop it !!!...... ITS LEGAL.

Dear Babyslayer enthusiast,

I never was saying it was illegal, but the influence of pro-life campaigns have convinced people to keep their baby. More often than not, both the parent and child are happy for that decision.

Love,
Baby-defendant

a reply to: Saiker

You are wrong, the safety nets, the social programs are always under fire. Congress wants to do away with many of those programs or severely under funds them to the point where the very point on if it is or is right or wrong no longer matters.



And it is funny, as part of the argument, very few talk about the very points I make, and they are very valid. Nor, from what it appears, is that there are real consequences for changing the laws. And what is even sadder, is that no one wants to think or even discuss such.

So what is worse an abortion, or a child dying for a lack of proper nutrition? An abortion or a child getting sick for the lack of a simple vaccination that could have saved that child's life?

So are you like the very people that George Carlin pointed out: Only concerned about the unborn, and once born, they are on their own and no longer worth concern?

a reply to: sdcigarpig

So your support for abortion is that the child would have died anyway.

All 40 million of them?

Social programs are still alive as well. In fact, if your income level is low enough your automatically enrolled here in NC when u fill out your health insurance info. Also when your kid goes to school here when you are sent a form to fill out to enroll you into food stamps and free lunch without ever going to wherever it is you go to apply for them.

Also then you agree abortion primarily is found in the lower classes and minority communities since its such a strong conviction tht these kids would have lived horrible lives?

Illegal immigrants often sneak across the border for a better life, but did anyone tell them they would probably live horrible lives here and some would probably starve to death how many millions have come here for a better life to a society that kills there own babies so they dont starve.



how would you quantify the impact of the value of life since abortion has been legalized?

A reminder this thread is about the negative impact abortion has on the living and the greater cost to our society on lowering to the point of asking and encouraging the minorities and lower class to voluntarily kill their babies.

Contraception. There's the answer right there. And the Good News is there's nothing said about it in that old book everybody likes to pay lip service to.

Answer found. Close up the thread. Everybody go home. Nothing more to see here.

originally posted by: Saiker

Also then you agree abortion primarily is found in the lower classes and minority communities since its such a strong conviction tht these kids would have lived horrible lives?

Where ever did you get that idea from?

The wealthy have always had the money to buy discretion, and pay for private

consultations..... relieving them of any embarrassment.

Illegal immigrants often sneak across the border for a better life, but did anyone tell them they would probably live horrible lives here and some would probably starve to death how many millions have come here for a better life to a society that kills there own babies so they dont starve.

Illegal immigrants????

What has that got to do with the thread?? From your post ........

A reminder this thread is about the negative impact abortion has on the living

In reply to your question about abortion impacting on the living >>>

If YOU dont have enough empathy with, or value the lives of women who for

whatever reason need an abortion..... Then YOU certainly dont have enough

empathy to care about a fetus.

A reminder this thread is about the negative impact abortion has on the living and the greater cost to our society on lowering to the point of asking and encouraging the minorities and lower class to voluntarily kill their babies.

No woman is ever asked or encouraged to terminate a pregnancy.

IF she wants a termination she WILL have one ..... It is LEGAL and her RIGHT

Get over it!!!

originally posted by: Blue Shift
Contraception. There's the answer right there. And the Good News is there's nothing said about it in that old book everybody likes to pay lip service to.

Answer found. Close up the thread. Everybody go home. Nothing more to see here.

Except, there are times when contraception fails. My step-daughter was taking the pill when she got pregnant. Checked her stash, and she hadn’t missed a pill.

a reply to: kaylaluv

not to mention that in those religious hospitals that run on religious dictates, a doctor can't even tie the tubes of a cancer patient while she is delivering her baby via c-section, even when the doctors all agree it's the best course considering her condition...
probably wouldn't consider giving her the treatment she needed to treat the cancer in the event that she became pregnant again either.

that old book can say all kinds of things, just depends on how you want to interpret them. and well, the religion that controls one and 7 hospital beds in this country interprets that book as saying birth control is not permitted....

Could some of the mass shootings that have occurred since Euthanasia (abortion) was instated be directly related to the diminishment of such actions to the value of life

No, and that's quite a leap of logic, considering most shooters are teen-aged boys who know or care little about such things.

Capitalism and the wealthy have destroyed all hope for millions of people, that is much more likely to be cause. If you grow up today and see that only rich people can have a good life you wouldn't have much sanctity for your fellow citizens' lives either.

a reply to: CB328

you have to question the value we put on life when there's so many young adults still living at home because they are either drowning in student loan debt or just not making enough to be able to life independently. or at least it makes one wonder why their lives are valued. if it's just so a few can make a small fortune by sucking the life out of them, then it's the wrong reason and maybe it's better not to have children preferably via birth control (abstinence would be even better, but too much to ask), than to continue giving the vampires more life to suck dry??

a reply to: dawnstar

Maybe we should just abort them too? Since living with your parents when you already grew up is such a terrible life right. their lives are valued less cause they dont work right?

Sounds a bit Stalinist if you ask me? If you don't contribute you should be purged.

Yeah the commies were right when they said they would conquer America from within

a reply to: Saiker

hey, I ain't the ones implying that their lives aren't of any value....
but if they are working 40+ hours a week and still can't come up with the funds to live on, just how much are the employers are valuing their lives???

and gee, just where are they supposed to come up with the funds to support any kids anyways if they can't even come up with the funds to support themselves??

a reply to: dawnstar

Why do you think supply and demand haven't forced wages to go up?

Just curious it can be the big bad corporations or is it counterproductive trade agreements, robotics, illegal immigration or American work Ethic. I know one thing is for sure the babies life has nothing to do with stagnating wages.

Maybe it's the irresponsible parties that cant use a contraceptive who refuse to work toward creating a competitive job market. Ask the kid in Florida who shot up the place cause he lost at a game what kind of value did he attach to life?

Perhaps the vegas shooter could tell yah or the new town kid or the Aurora guy or the Columbine guys why they considered life so expendable. I know these guys were a bunch of crazy white nuts, but how about the indescrimate killing in chicago do these guys value life?

Either way i find it quite disturbing you move from one argument to another when your position is so easily debunked.

Fact is when you readily discard then the things not discarded appear more and more like the things discarded.

a reply to: Saiker

maybe I jump from point to point because I choose to look at all the different reasons women chose abortion instead of just classifying them all as "irresponsible".
and you really haven't debunked that many of those reasons.

originally posted by: Saiker
Recently we passed the 40 million mark of lives willfully thwarted by would be parents.

When did you start counting? Women have been seeking abortions since the dawn of civilization.

Abortion is a racial issue now? I don't understand how that can be correct. Unless you are assuming that the majority of minorities are poor and aborting fetuses?

I personally, value life, but am of the political opinion that abortion should be a woman's choice. Circumstances differ for each individual and who are we to ethnocentrically judge them for choosing this legal option?

Abortion doesn't devalue life, in fact, it honors life. It honors that woman's life and honors her choice. It is the personal choice of every woman whether or not to carry a child to term in her womb.

Did you know that the US won't fund third world clinics if they teach anything but abstinence? No condoms, no abortion and no morning after pills or birth control pills.

Should we value the parasitical life sucking the vitality of the mother over her life? Yes, technically a baby is a parasite sucking the mother's nutrients away from her own needs. That makes abortion seem like a treatment option...stay away from that.

I just don't get how abortion devalues life. Abortion is not murder, so this makes no sense to me. Maybe because a hopeful mother to be will mourn a miscarriage and name the bundle of cells and bury it?

It's all about perception here. If you perceive abortion as murder and the killing of innocent lives, then sure the value of life is circling the drain. But I can't be the only one who doesn't view abortion as murder.....am I?

If you want to talk about the devaluation of life, let's discuss our gov't. How they allow our foods to be genetically modified, pumped full of antibiotics and hormones, and chemically altered to serve some unknown purpose. The livestock living conditions appal even the toughest critics of the organic movements. Why is high fructose corn syrup in everything? How come natural foods have become so expensive? Is it possible the FDA and our gov't are trying to kill the poor all together? Insurance is an impossible dream for the poor, so is going to the doctor when you're not sick.

I just think there are more directly correlating issues than abortion that contribute to the lack of valuation of life. By our gov't, not necessarily the constituents.

You're over-reaching.

originally posted by: Saiker

Ask the kid in Florida who shot up the place cause he lost at a game what kind of value did he attach to life?
Perhaps the vegas shooter could tell yah
the new town kid or the Aurora guy or the Columbine guys why they considered life so expendable. I know these guys were a bunch of crazy white nuts, but how about the indescrimate killing in chicago do these guys value life?

What have ^^^THEY^^^ got to do with abortion?

They will never have one!!

That's all a conflation too far you're now grappling for reasons to fullfil your

argument!!!! Which went out of the window a long time ago.

do you think it is abortion when women mensturate?

a reply to: eletheia

The thread is about the value of life and how it has diminished due to abortion. Those we some examples of recent years that individuals showed little understanding to the moral code and value of life. Could some of this reason be the way we as humanity so readily legally destroy life in the womb.

originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: Saiker

Ask the kid in Florida who shot up the place cause he lost at a game what kind of value did he attach to life?
Perhaps the vegas shooter could tell yah
the new town kid or the Aurora guy or the Columbine guys why they considered life so expendable. I know these guys were a bunch of crazy white nuts, but how about the indescrimate killing in chicago do these guys value life?

What have ^^^THEY^^^ got to do with abortion?

They will never have one!!

That's all a conflation too far you're now grappling for reasons to fullfil your

argument!!!! Which went out of the window a long time ago.

Didn't you get the memo?

The genocidal eradication of indigenous people in North America? Abortion!

The creation of the Atom Bomb? Bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima? Abortion!

The US government experimenting by giving syphilis to African American military personal? Abortion!

MKUltra? Abortion!

a reply to: Saiker

ya, but you are taking a small portion of the events that occur today,
you not even looking at events from before abortion was legalized...
nor are you considering the totality of the societies conscious.

nor are you considering the fact that the more of any commodity there is, the more it loses value!! and it's doesn't seem to matter to the ptb if that commodity happens to be humans! if you pass one poor kid begging on the street would you be more inclined to give them a dollar than if you passed a thousand on the street? at what point do all the kids begging on the streets begin to irk you and you become a little intolerant of them, shoeing them away from you shop, maybe even hitting them to get them away? at what point do you start demanding the gov't do something about the beggars and they start rounding them up, stashing them somewhere out of your sight? at what point to do start stripping the rights of this or that group, just to make sure the rest have what they need to keep on surviving?
Men have had centuries to find the answers to those questions, and just what have their answers been? slavery?? wars?? genocides? workhouses?? forced sterilzations?? none of these really show an abundance of valuing life!!!
just what point in history are you comparing today's society to??