University of North Carolina Students Topple Confederate Monument

a reply to: Krazysh0t

You know for a fact?

LOL.

www.theguardian.com...

They were using a GD sledge Hammer until they US pulled up to it.

Helping a brother out so to speak.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

After the locals failed to pull it down the military pulled it for them... then they beat it with their shoes. Apparently that's a big insult over there.

Dont pretend the locals weren't there cheering this on.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

The celebrating Iraqis while the military tore down the statue told me that they were happy with destroying that monument to a tyrannical dictator, but I guess those locals are wrong and they should have kept it up for historical purposes.

Let me try to create some context which seems missing. Bedford, VA was chosen as the site of the D Day memorial because 30 young men from there were fighting in Company A, 116th infantry at Normandy:

By day’s end, nineteen of the company’s Bedford soldiers were dead. Two more Bedford soldiers died later in the Normandy campaign, as did yet another two assigned to other 116th Infantry companies. Bedford’s population in 1944 was about 3,200.

www.dday.org...

Proportionally this represented the greatest single loss to any community within the US.

Now for Silent Sam; he and other statues represent the men, both young and old, volunteers and draftees who gave their lives defending against the invasion of the South by the Federal government. Aside from Gettysburg every single battle of the war happened in the South.

Losing 21 men from a small town was a severe blow to Bedford. In the Civil War there were dozens of towns, perhaps hundreds who at war's end could claim losses as bad or worse.

Nearly the entire student body of Ole Miss--135 out 139--enlisted in Company A of the 11th Mississippi. Company A, also known as the "University Greys" suffered 100% casualties in Pickett's Charge. Eighteen members of the Christian family of Christianburg, Virginia were killed during the war. It is estimated that one in three Southern households lost at least one family member. One in thirteen surviving Civil War soldiers returned home missing one or more limbs

www.battlefields.org...

The entire student body of Ole Miss was cut down in a single battle! North Carolina alone lost 30,000 men out of a population of 660,000. The death toll was horrific but living through it was worse, marching, fighting while having nothing to eat for 3 days or getting moldy bread and rotted meat. Freezing for lack of blankets and coats. Dysentery killed more men than enemy bullets. Getting wounded with no morphine for pain and amputations by saw.

We don't remember real sacrifice today. This is why we need to preserve these monuments to those who gave all in defense of their country. It was their homes being burned, their wives raped, their crops and livestock stolen by marauding armies from the North.

a reply to: Krazysh0t


We should have killed them for tearing it down!

Oh, wait.

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: TheRedneck

Lol flying the confederate flag is LITERALLY the most unamerican thing a person could ever do...

Funny, I would think destroying someone's freedom of expression because you don't agree with it would be more UnAmerican.

But then again, I'm not a Leftist.

Does a mere image or object enrage you so?

What happens when someone says or writes something that offends you?

a reply to: Bluntone22

I didn't say they weren't. I just said who got the job done.

I think they should replace Silent Sam with a giant Prozac so it eases the mental anguish over the War of Southern Depression.

I love parallels in history. Propaganda is fascinating l.

American revolution vs the civil war.

The American revolution was more a coup. While the civil war was more of a revolution. The traitors to the crown were the leaders both before and after the revolution, just with more power after. While the southern leaders who were not pushing for separation did become leaders during the war.

Dunmore's Proclamation, was basically the Royal govoner of VA, emancipation procumation. How did the the colonial governement respond. Death to run aways. The American.revolution was a fight to keep slavery.

There was a post about the southern democrats leaving the union because of what the GOP might due. That’s the whole 2018 midterm. Got to fight the gop because of what trump might do. Bring back slavery, create consintration camps, kill all POC.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

That's a hell of a false equivalence.

Saddam built it as an ode to himself.

No civil war monument was built in the same fashion.

a reply to: Asktheanimals

Calling the Civil War an "invasion" shows a bitter view of the war considering the North didn't consider themselves to be invading. To them, they were fighting a war on their own soil. Then, you, as an American, to go on and call it an invasion today suggests you don't consider the North and South to be one country still.

originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: TheRedneck
One day they are going to pull this crap around the wrong people... and maybe, just maybe, after the blood stops flowing, people will wake up to the fact that there are some things you just don't do.

At the top of that list is shooting people over a statue.

In America people use to get shot over a pair of sneakers.

People still get shot over sneakers.
NOBODY has been shot over a statue, yet.

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Krazysh0t

That's a hell of a false equivalence.

Saddam built it as an ode to himself.

No civil war monument was built in the same fashion.

An ode to defending slavery isn't much better than an ode to oneself.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

The North RAPED the South.

Burned,plunder,pillaged and AFTER went on to slaughter the brown man.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

A generation that stood up to the Federal State should be honored.

The ONLY time in American history anyone tried.

Didn't matter if you agree or disagree with it.

The amendment process could have changed it without bloodshed.

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: TinySickTears

now that this statue is down, has racism gone as well?

No. It will only get worse, just like it only got worse after we elected our first black president, after it only got worse after we elected the first president after him ... after every thing we do or don't do, it only gets worse or so they say so they make more demands, abolish more people, scrub more ideas and things and history.

a reply to: neo96

We should honor the people who shot and killed their fellow brother over defending slavery, but kids tearing down a statute dedicated to honoring slavery are the worst sort of scum?

As for standing up to the Federal State, you clearly need to go restudy history. Idiots have been standing up to the federal government since Washington's time:
Whiskey Rebellion

And that's not even talking about the number of times people have protested the government to enact change and got their way through sheer numbers. In fact, I'd say that protesters getting change done through non-violent disturbances are WAAAAAAY more honorable than a bunch of indignant ramble rousers with an itchy trigger finger.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Asktheanimals

Calling the Civil War an "invasion" shows a bitter view of the war considering the North didn't consider themselves to be invading. To them, they were fighting a war on their own soil. Then, you, as an American, to go on and call it an invasion today suggests you don't consider the North and South to be one country still.

Different paradigm back then.

States were more important then the Federal Government, more immediate in most people's lives. People who didn't give a rat's @ss about slavery would go and die to defend their state and that's what happened to a lot of people from the South.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: TinySickTears

now that this statue is down, has racism gone as well?

No. It will only get worse, just like it only got worse after we elected our first black president, after it only got worse after we elected the first president after him ... after every thing we do or don't do, it only gets worse or so they say so they make more demands, abolish more people, scrub more ideas and things and history.

This isn't true. If you pull your head out of the fear blender and seek out positive stats, you'll see that our generation is still killing it. Violence, despite the media's fixation on it, is at an all time low. Each generation after the previous is more educated than the last. World wide wars are at a minimum. The economy is doing great and has been since Obama.

There are problems that we need working out, but things aren't as dire as they want you to believe.

a reply to: ketsuko

That's one of the reasons why the Federal government gave amnesty to the South after the war. It's a shame that the bitter South took offense to the North's reconstruction efforts and erected things like the KKK to be a pain in the ass.