Who here will accept the number of the beast?

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Scrutinizing

We don't have free will, as neuroscience and Benjamin Libet pretty much established back in the 1980s, our notion of such being of a metaphysical position, real science however, proves otherwise.

So if free will does exist it does not emanate from our brain.

So much for being allowed either Captain Crunch or Wheaties, anymore.

a reply to: Scrutinizing

I know, its a mind boggler. LoL

There's quite possibly a quantum aspect at play regarding our decision-making process, conciseness, and the emergence of such.

Further study is most definitely required. But it seems "I think therefore I am" just does not cut the mustard any longer.

a reply to: AthlonSavage

Who here will accept the number of the beast?

That will depend upon what return for my investment I can expect. I mean, if I am to pledge allegiance to the beast, and so receive its mark, then I'm sure it will be an open and transparent transaction where both parties stand to gain benefits in the long run, each according to their own free will.

IMO, the closer we get to this point, the closer the bible will resemble the Simulation hypothesis, where the game has already been determined and we are merely playing out an already pre-determined existence.

a reply to: Scrutinizing

And yet you were allegedly created in his image.

How can god be sinless when he created us? By default, he is somewhat responsible for our actions by way of our very creation.

Then there is the predestination aspect again, you cannot remain innocent when your plan includes the creation of creatures whose very nature is to sin. Has to be an accessory to our acts of depravity at the very least.

Who should be forgiving who really???

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Scrutinizing

And yet you were allegedly created in his image.

How can god be sinless when he created us? By default, he is somewhat responsible for our actions by way of our very creation.

Then there is the predestination aspect again, you cannot remain innocent when your plan includes the creation of creatures whose very nature is to sin. Has to be an accessory to our acts of depravity at the very least.

Who should be forgiving who really???

That is totally false. Just because you CAN choose evil doesn't mean in any way that it is God who is at fault for giving you that ability to choose. Your above hypothesis is just a red herring to make accountability go hide somewhere where you can ignore it.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Scrutinizing

I know, its a mind boggler. LoL

There's quite possibly a quantum aspect at play regarding our decision-making process, conciseness, and the emergence of such.

Further study is most definitely required. But it seems "I think therefore I am" just does not cut the mustard any longer.

You can say that again, my mind already pretty boggled. I started out as a child. Screw Descartes, I really even have no idea what the hell cutting mustard is. I mean, who goes around cutting mustard? I think, therefore I'm mustard. There's a thought for your quantum, and, on that, good night, good luck, I don't believe in luck, that's another discussion... Jesus save me from ATS...

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

Which is it then predestination or free will because you simply cannot have both.

You cannot even choose at all if its the former rather than the latter and if so there goes your infallibility.

To be expected really considering we are created in his image. After all to err is Human and as above so below.

I'm accountability for my own actions far as i can understand, so no red herring, just a few questions that require answers we as of yet do not possess.

a reply to: Scrutinizing

I believe in mathematics and repeatable results, anything else equates to blind faith really.

I would not mind some of that now and again all the same as i imagine it affords an enormous piece of mind.

Good Night.

a reply to: AthlonSavage

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
originally posted by: andy06shake

That is totally false. Just because you CAN choose evil doesn't mean in any way that it is God who is at fault for giving you that ability to choose. Your above hypothesis is just a red herring to make accountability go hide somewhere where you can ignore it.

Well done. Bless you, my child. Yes, God gave us choices, and when we screw up, it's God's fault. Makes sense to me, too. Isn't that like blaming your teetotaler parents that you're a drunk, or a junkie? Set the quantum of mustard dude straight. I'm just exhausted. Herring, herring everywhere, everywhere herring. This ATS is a fish market.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Scrutinizing

I believe in mathematics and repeatable results, anything else equates to blind faith really.

Be comforted. If history is any indication, humanity will continue to screw-up everything royally (that is God will, in your economy, "Daddy, Daddy! Why did you let me wrap the car around that tree?"), so you can, at least, have absolute faith in man.

a reply to: Scrutinizing

That's the kind of faith thats worrying.

Seems we are damned if we do and damned if we don't.

There are no absolutes through only circumstance and perception, shades of grey really, dependant on where you are standing at the time.

a reply to: Scrutinizing

Suppose somebody took the mark of the beast on their hand, really, really repented, called on Christ for forgiveness, and cut off their hand, they felt so strongly about this? Would Christ reject such a one?

Would not have to cut off their hand IF it was not past the point of no return and they did not go back .

a reply to: andy06shake

america isnt that much like rome more like sparta in greece lol. this empire is built to fall properly so when it does im sure peace will perspire also after

a reply to: SatansPride

America is the Rome of today's world, pretty much been that way since the UK lost the, for want of a better word, privilege, back in the middle of the last century.

Truth is Rome never really completely fell nor went away.

America does not want peace else how could they possibly justify there military spending($590 billion)?

The military industrial complex, banking houses, corporations, and multimedia groups have the nation by the short and curlies, always have done always will do.

Thing is the US beat a monarchy and a king to win her supposed freedom......but unfortunately she did not beat the bankers.

Peace is not on the cards, Iran is next, and you darn well know that's probably true.

Trump will rock and roll at the drop of a hat for a guaranteed 4 more years, which is exactly what any protracted war with Iran would spell.

Iran is not Iraq nor Syria, the terrain makes an invasion or occupation an almost impossibility.

Que WW3 really, there will be no peace in our time, unless cooler heads prevail.

a reply to: andy06shake

america is not todays rome, we are democratical and do not allow that kind if injustice. ya we have like ufc which is kinda gladatior stuff but not that bad. its egyptian days that didnt fall away yet all the way cross the world. the gov. spends that in military, we leave it to the private industries (citizens) to create great stuff. idk bout iran but most thought it was nk or russia a few months ago so what if? trump is def. being realected. I dont vote but i just know he will. ww3 will be peaceful in our generation. idk bout our time lol

a reply to: SatansPride

Rome was a democracy a few times, hence the Roman senate.

The Roman Empire and the USA are synonymous in may a way, to suggest otherwise is simply short-sighted.

Of course, Trump will be reelected and Iran will be next.



It's not just on the horizon but written in the stars.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Isn’t the there a movie coming out called “Upgrade”?

Did Beyoncé’s “lemme upgrade ya” plant the seed for easier acceptance of such an atrocious affront to our humanity?

I dunno! But it’s fun to think about. Until it isn’t....

a reply to: pointessa

Isn’t that the basis for Black Mirror episode...?!?

I need a go bag....

a reply to: AthlonSavage

You're decades late on this old Conspiracy Theory. Now mark of the beast is your cell phone. Convenient how it's not always easy to live without them.